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	<title>Comments on: Birthers, Part Deux: Republicans Divided</title>
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		<title>By: EdBradly7</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdBradly7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Batshit Crazy Bachman has 3 viable Republican opponents and 3 viable opponents from the Dems. Should be interesting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Batshit Crazy Bachman has 3 viable Republican opponents and 3 viable opponents from the Dems. Should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: waitomo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945839</link>
		<dc:creator>waitomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You actually did worse than calling them loony. You called them extremists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It seems like a lot of Republicans including, uh, some in leadership… umm… have expressed some doubts or said that doubts exist. And it seems to us that people are kind of beholden, they’re captive to kind of a crazy base, where Democrats kind of marginalize Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan, it seems like Republicans, maybe because of electoral prospects are forced to embrace them and &lt;strong&gt;WE THINK&lt;/strong&gt; [here at Firedog Lake] the country is better off when &lt;strong&gt; WE MARGINALIZE ALL THE EXTREMISTS.”&lt;/strong&gt; [as in birthers, Mike, Cindy, etc.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I’d say that was a bit inartful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You actually did worse than calling them loony. You called them extremists.</p>
<p>“It seems like a lot of Republicans including, uh, some in leadership… umm… have expressed some doubts or said that doubts exist. And it seems to us that people are kind of beholden, they’re captive to kind of a crazy base, where Democrats kind of marginalize Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan, it seems like Republicans, maybe because of electoral prospects are forced to embrace them and <strong>WE THINK</strong> [here at Firedog Lake] the country is better off when <strong> WE MARGINALIZE ALL THE EXTREMISTS.”</strong> [as in birthers, Mike, Cindy, etc.]</p>
<p>Yeah, I’d say that was a bit inartful.</p>
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		<title>By: pastfedup</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945508</link>
		<dc:creator>pastfedup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike, if you’re still here.  Good work on getting these Repug faces on camera, but a couple suggestions you might try:&lt;br /&gt;
1)  Try asking them this question: “Do you agree with Rush Limbaugh that President Obama is an angry black man?”&lt;br /&gt;
2)  If you get a brush-off response, follow up with “So you don’t want to comment on that, I guess you’re afraid to offend Rush.  Let me ask you, do you ask ‘How Far’ when Rush tells you to bend over?”  “I see, I’ve struck a nerve there.  Just how far do you bend over?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This needs to be rehearsed so the delivery is smooth, no stuttering trying to make a point, just say things to put them on the defensive right away and keep them there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not agree with making a comparison with Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore, two people I admire very much. Again, good work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, if you’re still here.  Good work on getting these Repug faces on camera, but a couple suggestions you might try:<br />
1)  Try asking them this question: “Do you agree with Rush Limbaugh that President Obama is an angry black man?”<br />
2)  If you get a brush-off response, follow up with “So you don’t want to comment on that, I guess you’re afraid to offend Rush.  Let me ask you, do you ask ‘How Far’ when Rush tells you to bend over?”  “I see, I’ve struck a nerve there.  Just how far do you bend over?”</p>
<p>This needs to be rehearsed so the delivery is smooth, no stuttering trying to make a point, just say things to put them on the defensive right away and keep them there.</p>
<p>I do not agree with making a comparison with Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore, two people I admire very much. Again, good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuci78</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuci78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let me begin with one quote, beth:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Distracting a politician from governing is like distracting a bear from eating your baby.” (P.J. O’Rourke)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…and close with another:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The more money that has been spent on government-run healthcare, the less healthcare we have gotten. This kind of result is generally true of all government bureaucracies because of the absence of any market feedback mechanism. Since there are no profits in an accounting sense, by definition, in government, there is no mechanism for rewarding good performance and penalizing bad performance. In fact, in all government enterprises, exactly the opposite is true: bad performance (failure to achieve ostensible goals, or satisfy ‘customers’) is typically rewarded with larger budgets. Failure to educate children leads to more money for government schools. Failure to reduce poverty leads to larger budgets for welfare state bureaucracies. This is guaranteed to happen with healthcare socialism as well.” (Thomas J. DiLorenzo, at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo175.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lewrockwell.com/dil.....zo175.html&lt;/a&gt; )&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me begin with one quote, beth:</p>
<p>“Distracting a politician from governing is like distracting a bear from eating your baby.” (P.J. O’Rourke)</p>
<p>…and close with another:</p>
<p>“The more money that has been spent on government-run healthcare, the less healthcare we have gotten. This kind of result is generally true of all government bureaucracies because of the absence of any market feedback mechanism. Since there are no profits in an accounting sense, by definition, in government, there is no mechanism for rewarding good performance and penalizing bad performance. In fact, in all government enterprises, exactly the opposite is true: bad performance (failure to achieve ostensible goals, or satisfy ‘customers’) is typically rewarded with larger budgets. Failure to educate children leads to more money for government schools. Failure to reduce poverty leads to larger budgets for welfare state bureaucracies. This is guaranteed to happen with healthcare socialism as well.” (Thomas J. DiLorenzo, at <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo175.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/dil&#8230;..zo175.html</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945505</link>
		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mike, good job, i appreciate what you are doing here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i must agree w/the others, whether you meant to imply that michael moore and cindy sheehan were loonies, you came off as such.  you said that the republicans are “captive to a kind of crazy base where democrats marginalize michael moore and cindy sheehan…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s equivalency by implication, i’m afraid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i know you were operating on the fly, but an even bigger criticism of that particular moment:  you got mclintock to agree w/you, you didn’t need to give a speech afterwards.  you should have just given him major props for telling the truth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just my two cents…but please keep up the good work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike, good job, i appreciate what you are doing here.</p>
<p>but i must agree w/the others, whether you meant to imply that michael moore and cindy sheehan were loonies, you came off as such.  you said that the republicans are “captive to a kind of crazy base where democrats marginalize michael moore and cindy sheehan…”</p>
<p>that’s equivalency by implication, i’m afraid.</p>
<p>i know you were operating on the fly, but an even bigger criticism of that particular moment:  you got mclintock to agree w/you, you didn’t need to give a speech afterwards.  you should have just given him major props for telling the truth.</p>
<p>just my two cents…but please keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945504</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m pretty sure I didn’t say Michael Moore or Cindy Sheehan were looney.  I said Democrats marginalize their loonies, and mentioned Michale Moore and Cindy Sheehan because they are the two most frequently villified activists on our side (unjust as that may be).  And, whether I like it or not, it is our side as much as any that is doing the marginalizing.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe I made the point inartfully - and for that I am prepared to apologize to two of my heros - both Moore and Sheehan…  But I had to use two people that Blunt would recognize.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doing my best out here.  And I don’t think Michael or Cindy really mind a friend using them as rhetorical devices if it makes Republicans uncomfortable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m pretty sure I didn’t say Michael Moore or Cindy Sheehan were looney.  I said Democrats marginalize their loonies, and mentioned Michale Moore and Cindy Sheehan because they are the two most frequently villified activists on our side (unjust as that may be).  And, whether I like it or not, it is our side as much as any that is doing the marginalizing.  </p>
<p>Maybe I made the point inartfully &#8211; and for that I am prepared to apologize to two of my heros &#8211; both Moore and Sheehan…  But I had to use two people that Blunt would recognize.  </p>
<p>Doing my best out here.  And I don’t think Michael or Cindy really mind a friend using them as rhetorical devices if it makes Republicans uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: marymary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945503</link>
		<dc:creator>marymary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Um, yes he was. In Westmoreland County, Virginia. And John Adams….and Thomas Jefferson. The first 3 presidents of our nation were born right here. Ya think maybe that’s why it was so important that they put it in the Constitution? Duh. As for the birthers. They should just hang it up. It is arrogance that prevents the administration from opening his records - not avoidance. Also, where are his college records? Bush’s were put out there for all to see and ridicule. Where are Obama’s? He’s immune to this transparency he promised?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, yes he was. In Westmoreland County, Virginia. And John Adams….and Thomas Jefferson. The first 3 presidents of our nation were born right here. Ya think maybe that’s why it was so important that they put it in the Constitution? Duh. As for the birthers. They should just hang it up. It is arrogance that prevents the administration from opening his records &#8211; not avoidance. Also, where are his college records? Bush’s were put out there for all to see and ridicule. Where are Obama’s? He’s immune to this transparency he promised?</p>
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		<title>By: dirac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945501</link>
		<dc:creator>dirac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I don’t get the attacks on Sheehan or Moore. Have they advanced terribly false, whacko theories with subtexts derived from projective identification and prejudice to drive up hysteria in an uneducated segment of the population? I don’t know. My guess is: most likely not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don’t get the attacks on Sheehan or Moore. Have they advanced terribly false, whacko theories with subtexts derived from projective identification and prejudice to drive up hysteria in an uneducated segment of the population? I don’t know. My guess is: most likely not.</p>
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		<title>By: jongeeting</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945500</link>
		<dc:creator>jongeeting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike, I think you’ve landed on a great tactic for dividing and marginalizing Republicans. Maybe you should ask your readers to go to their Republican reps public events over the August recess and videotape their responses. If anybody has a Flip camera or the video camera on the new iPhone? If they deny there’s any substance there, we can link to the videos on conservative blogs to get them in hot water with their base. If they hedge, we can circulate them further. Any interest in a call to action on this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think you’ve landed on a great tactic for dividing and marginalizing Republicans. Maybe you should ask your readers to go to their Republican reps public events over the August recess and videotape their responses. If anybody has a Flip camera or the video camera on the new iPhone? If they deny there’s any substance there, we can link to the videos on conservative blogs to get them in hot water with their base. If they hedge, we can circulate them further. Any interest in a call to action on this?</p>
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		<title>By: waitomo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/birthers-part-duex-republicans-divided/#comment-1945496</link>
		<dc:creator>waitomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly. I sent Michael Moore a note about his being all but ambushed here. Everyone should. What a completely inept way to go about exposing these people. Take down two of your own. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe you should have watched Michael Moore when you were in grade school, Mike. You might have picked up how to actually not sandbag your own peeps. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;mike @ michealmoore.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. I sent Michael Moore a note about his being all but ambushed here. Everyone should. What a completely inept way to go about exposing these people. Take down two of your own. </p>
<p>Maybe you should have watched Michael Moore when you were in grade school, Mike. You might have picked up how to actually not sandbag your own peeps. </p>
<p>mike @ michealmoore.com</p>
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