In Iraq, where the Iraqi parliament only agreed to any continuation of the US occupation if a referendum of the Iraqi people to be held by July 30 gave their approval, we see no such referendum. The US lobbied hard to block one – and now we hear talk that maybe a referendum will be held but not until 2010. Since the US would have one year to completely withdraw if the Iraqis voted us out (the mostly likely result), delaying the referendum until 2010 removes any teeth from such a vote since Obama is already discussing a 2011 withdrawal. So much for democratic action.
Of course, even under the terms of the SOFA which require US forces to only operate with Iraqi approval, in reality these terms are meaningless. When a US convoy killed 3 Iraqis this past Thursday and wounded four including 2 children, the local Iraqi commader insisted they turn over the US troops responsible for prosecution – but Maliki, visiting DC, quickly quashed any such demand and insisted that the commander just didn’t understand the US right to self defense. So much for sovereignty.
And in Afghanistan, where we are supposedly increasing security in advance of a democratic presidential election, people already know that the outcome will not be democratic – and will merely reinstate the warlord parties we have supported from the beginning.
As a teacher at the American University of Afghanistan explains while noting that his students do not plan to vote:
For all the suspicion that fabrication of votes, bribing of election officials, intimidation, and worse will likely mar the August 20th election, Afghanistan’s internal problems are not what undermine my students’ zeal for civic participation. Why vote, my students ask me, when the United States will choose Afghanistan’s next president?
Or as Malalai Joya makes ever so clear:
In the constitution it forbids those guilty of war crimes from running for high office. Yet Karzai has named two notorious warlords, Fahim and Khalili, as his running mates for the upcoming presidential election. Under the shadow of warlordism, corruption and occupation, this vote will have no legitimacy, and once again it seems the real choice will be made behind closed doors in the White House. As we say in Afghanistan, "the same donkey with a new saddle".
While speaking last week to a gathering in London – the video is here and very worth watching – Malalai answered the lies of all our “liberation” talk:
"No nation can donate liberation to another nation," Ms Joya said, to loud applause from the audience.
"Only nations which liberate themselves can be free."
For readers who have been following the discussion of the Feminist Majority support for escalation in Afghanistan, don’t miss Katrina Vanden Heuval’s response.
Two other pieces this week are on my everyone-should-read list:
Chris Hedges makes it clear that There Is No Reason for Us to Be in Afghanistan — Everyone Knows It, and It Spells Defeat.
And Tom Englehardt sums it all up in An American Hell.
Related posts:
- Sotomayor Watch: Can We Donate Dem Strategists Chris Lehane and Lanny Davis to the GOP?
- When the Women of Afghanistan Speak, Does Howard Dean Listen?
- Valuing Democracy: Iran, Iraq and the War Supplemental
- Media Shocker: O’Reilly Selectively Edits Netroots Nation Hit Piece
- Torture: Obama Heeded Maliki on Abuse Photos, Says McClatchy; What That Says for Our Occupation





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You write that Americans killed Iraqis and your link says that Maliki is clear in stating that the Americans were fired upon and acted in self-defense.
What’s your point?
Aside from war profiteers and military guys who life is war, who wants us to remain there? I suppose some corporations and oil interests like the show of force to cover their shannanigans… but what’s the deal with staying there when both the Iraqi and the American people want the troops home?
Is the MIC that strong? Yea it is.
My local news carried a story about Faluga this weekend. Said it was exploding and closed down for the most part.
A convoy gets fired on and troops return fire and conduct raids into Iraqi homes with 3 dead and 4 wounded including kids – and that counts as “self-defense”?
Given that Maliki during his visit also talked about US troops staying in Iraq past 2011, supported ignoring the required referendum, etc I’d say he’s back to kissing up to his American friends rather than representing the interests of Iraqis. No surprise.
Hadn’t seen that Eureka – will dig around. Thanks!
We need to sell this to America as what do you want to pay for two wars or National Healthcare?
Lets split the GOP between the pro war nuts and the anti taxes on the rich nuts Divide our Enemies!
I want polls on that question!
Everything I read about Maliki indicates that he’s adopted positions far different from kissing American ass.
I seem to recall that he’s the person responsible for pushing upon the Bush admin the treaty designed to get the Americans out.
I also seem to remember that you were saying, within the last couple of months, that Maliki was pushing back against Odierno’s attempts at softening the treaty’s restrictions on American patrols.
Aswat mentions a curfew and a such.
Falluja blast casualties up to 31
July 25, 2009 – 01:47:28
Urgent / Curfew on vehicles, motorcycles in Falluja
July 25, 2009 – 01:26:23
4 civilians wounded in 2nd Falluja blast
July 25, 2009 – 12:22:25
The rest of the very short local news report was quite honest and damning about Iraq and Afghanistan. I was rather surprised. Never happens on Springfield, MO, news.
We need to sell this as Bush tried for years to get Ossama and failed either we invade pakistan to get Ossama or we come home wasting our time in Iraq and Afghanistan won’t get Ossama and as long as he is alive we have to worry about terror.
Or do we lets tell the Saudi’s who are privately giving Ossama money one more attack and ever car sold in America will be a hybrid or electric.
We do have ways of hurting Ossama by choking off his cash, better ways than guns. Unless the American public would really rather invade Pakistan.
We need polls on these questions the WH and the Mainstream Media are not asking!
One step forward two steps back Maliki wants his faction to control Iraq we are his tools to do that.
We need polls on these questions the WH and the Mainstream Media are not asking!
The flaw is, you assume they need our permission.
I notice you omit any reference to the on the ground Iraki commander and his assessment.
I kinda get the idea that we and Maliki aren’t great friends.
I think that Siun is trying to paint him as an ass kisser only because it helps her argument in this case.
I did so omit. There weren’t many specifics in the link, not even the guy’s name.
Maliki is an astute politician and knows that when the US military is gone his ass is grass. He will, like most politicians, do what it takes to maintain his position.
Isn’t there any decent alternative to the Taliban that’s acceptable to most Afghans?
If the economy gets worse they will people will start asking questions. If we don’t get Healthcare people will be asking these questions.
They don’t need our permission… Yet.
We must be prepared ahead of time to exploit a likely opportunity. Like with the war and economy going bad the Left had a record of predictions that something bad would happen.
When it did we got political capital.
I don’t care about his name. The fact that he raised the issue and Maliki immediately squashed his request out of hand is telling.
Isn’t there any decent alternative to the Taliban that’s acceptable to us?
I kind of hoped that “decent” would imply they would be acceptable to us. Call me naive.
I didn’t see any information as to who he is or even if he was there. If you know something that shows that the guy has a good idea of what happened, I’ll be glad to read it.
I’ve yet to see a US puppet, military or civilian, that could be labeled “decent” in a humanistic way.
It was the implication that the Afghan’s have much choice in the matter which prompted me to toy with your question.
Malalai Joya says that we forget there are Afghans who belive in democracy and an independent approach. She says the struggle to get to a better Afghanistan will be hard and long but that it only will happen when Afghans have the chance to fight for it themselves.
is the container killer still on karzai’s ticket?
What about Greece after the war? We supported the Nationalists under the Marshall Plan, which I suppose would make them “U.S. puppets” in some people’s eyes. And yet they turned out capable of defeating the Communists (a nasty bunch of Stalinists) and governing Greece.
Or look at South Korea. Taiwan. West Germany, before the fall of European Communism. All examples of U.S.-supported regimes that have successfully resisted tyranny.
Just because we often bet on the wrong pony in these situations doesn’t mean we’re always wrong.
You miss my point.
From the original WaPo piece:
Maliki was here in the US when he made these comments. To say that the local commander “doesn’t understand” and “was wrong” doesn’t do much for morale in the military. Nor was it very diplomatic domestically. He’s here defending the US in the killing of Iraki civilians. I reiterate my comment at 15.
I wouldn’t call any of those you named US puppet controlled regimes. I’m thinking more along the lines of the Shah, Pinochet and Marcos.
interesting article about dostrum’s role in the heroin trade.
article
I might have been to caught up in thinking about your original statement about this unknown Iraqi officer being omitted.
If I’m to understand that you’ve on and want to consider whether Maliki is telling this guy to shut up because Maliki is pushing other things, I can go with that.
It’s not unlikely. I would think it highly possible that Maliki is here to get something from us concerning Kirkuk.
Maliki is like one half of a bad relationship. One person pulls with one hand and pushes away with the other. Maliki talks to Irakis about getting the US military out while at the same time making small overtures to the US to extend its stay.
Teddy is upstairs!
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Osama currently derives the vast majority of al Qaeda’s income from heroin, most of it grown in Afghanistan. Exactly what ways do “we” have of hurting him by “choking off his cash”?
In general, Afghanistan is not Vietnam, and it is not Iraq. We didn’t invade it, we shifted the balance of power and the Northern Alliance routed the Taliban, who were given shelter in Pakistan, along with al Qaeda, in the FATA, NWFP, and Balochistan. So it is not Iraq. If you want to withdraw, obviously one of the possible solutions, then you must talk to all 30+ countries that are part of the security forces there, and the 60+ countries who are funding the operation. To characterize it as a U.S. occupation is extremely simplistic and inaccurate.
And it is not Vietnam. Within a couple of years of the U.S. withdrawing from Vietnam, there was one group in power and the country was at peace. Vietnam was not a failed state, it had two warring factions, one was defeated, the other won. Afghanistan has seen withdrawals before, and those haven’t ended the 30 years of war. There are too many institutions and infrastructure pieces destroyed for that. So what is it you want to do? Do they deserve perpetual war, millions killed, millions displaced, forever? If so, just remember that if it ever happens to your country. If not, how do you want to do it? The current status is the result of many mistakes, ulterior motives, and double dealings by multiple countries, the two worst offenders being the U.S. and Pakistan. But there have been others, the Germans who didn’t train police, the Italians who failed to build the roads, the British who let the drug trade flourish, and on, and on.