Bad enough their affairs and their religious frat-house hijinks continue to make headlines, now some Senate GOPs are talking about inside-strategy – talk Arizona’s Jon Kyl calls "unfortunate."
What, exactly, is unfortunate, Senator? That your colleagues are making the defeat of Obama’s health care reform a political gambit, or that they are talking out loud about it?
"I don’t agree with that kind of language," said the Senator, when read comments from Senator Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and James Inhofe, R-Okl. "What Jim DeMint said is he wanted to break the momentum and the inevitability of passing these bills. [The White House] said we had to pass stimulus and do it immediately or else the economy would see… eight percent unemployment. It’s now going to 10 percent. And what we are saying is slow this down so that we don’t make another bad mistake here."
See, Kyl wants to slow down health care, not defeat it like his Senate GOP colleagues. This sixty-year-long national conversation we’ve had about universal health care, since Harry Truman first proposed it, just hasn’t gone on quite long enough to suit Senator Kyl. (Who has publicly-funded health care for himself and his family.)
Sixty years isn’t "immediately," by the way.
But Kyl’s objections aren’t political! Heaven forfend a politician be political! Political implications are "unfortunate" — in public.
"But I do think that because the language has a political implication, it’s unfortunate," the Arizona Republican added, during his appearance on Fox News Sunday. "Both sides talked about the politics of these issues. I don’t think we ought to be focused on that."
So what’s really "unfortunate" about what DeMint and Inhofe said, Senator Kyl? It’s "unfortunate" they talked about political strategy outside the caucus. It’s "unfortunate" they let the cat out of the bag. It’s "unfortunate" they tipped your team’s play in public.
The Senate GOP needs to face facts: stopping health care reform can’t be spun as anything other than stopping health care reform. Trying to look like they are doing anything other than trying to break the momentum of reform won’t look to Americans like anything other than delay. And delay is the enemy of reform.
But talking about that in public, now that’s "unfortunate." First rule of killing health care reform is the same first rule of Fight Club: don’t talk about killing health care reform.
(Help FDL Action urge Congress to stay in session to pass health care reform; delay means defeat!)



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Hey Firedoggies, here’s the Flickr photoset of some of the snapshots from our Bear Creek Firepup Meetup yesterday at the home of the generous Nahant family in Redwood City.
The GOP got so detached and in-your-face in the closing years of ChimpCo that they could and would truthfully telegraph their intentions and motives, and the nation simply said, “Yeah, tell us something we didn’t already know…”
Not working now. Funny that.
Hey Teddy!
Crooks & Liars has the video of Jon Kyl, saying how “unfortunate” these words were.
TEDDY!! Great get together yesterday!! Glad you made it!!
Seems by consensuses we will be having A BBQ meetup in October… sheesh these Pups just seem to love these MeetUps!!
The Picts are great!! Hope Jane has seen her B-Day Pie with the requisite candle celebrating her B-Day!! Of course we only had one Candle… don’t want togive away her Real Age….. *G*
very cool pics. who was taking them? i love the new mod sign.
The GOP chose a particular method of messaging. Instead of driving home a line, they filled the air with chaff and pushed their final but translucent message though that cloud. It was usually racist, nativist, BigBiznus™-driven, but could be (mis)construed, which was the whole point.
They have been doing it for 35 years.
Now Kyl is trapped behind the cloud.
Heh. Indeedy. Loose lips and all that.
Suz was taking those pictures and yes the the new sign is GREAT!!
hiya usr
I think the Gates drama is played out. What will be the media’s major distraction this week?
I found Suzanne’s sign up in Guerneville during Polar Bear Weekend in January, couldn’t wait to see her to give it to her. I think it suits her style, don’t you?
Senators Jim DeMint, Jon Kyl and James Inhofe Hate the White Man! Would If America had National Healthcare back when President Harry Truman first proposed it how many Whites would be alive today?
Enough to have elected John McCain as President you Bet Cha!
Its Reverse Psychology the GOP pretends to be the friend of the Working Man and then screws Us!
The Reagan Revolution resulted in wages for the Working Man go down as Reagan Broke the Unions and the good paying jobs they give.
Less money meant the Wife had to go out and work this gave the wife ideas like she could make a living by herself and that led to America’s high divorce rate!
Family Values party my Ass! If the wife isn’t around to run the family your son is less likely to go to college and your daughter will be more likely to get knocked up than her friends no matter how much money you have.
Just look at Sarah’s family!
They will find something. Anything to distract from the real business at hand.
Thanks for the material Teddy to fuel a rant. Its an exercise in thinking like a GOPer only I add some logic to their thought process.
suz is IN the pictures, according to the caption. did she set the camera on timed photos?
I almost did a prediction thread for tonight, and now that you mention it we probably should speculate: what will be the thing the Versailles media obsesses over in their attempt to distract us from the health care reform drama playing out under their noses? I imagine it must be race-based, like the birther “controversy” and Gatesgate. Perhaps a new focus on the fourth MJ child?
newt was really great seeing you at the meetup!!
Oh and the brownies…. shit what can I say …they are great!! Still some left if you are in the neighborhood!! Oh and peach & Apple Pie…. Jambalaya there is plenty if you want some……….
We had someone else there to take the group photos, who preferred not to be in them and perhaps prefers not to be named.
Just one quibble, Teddy. National Health Insurance was first proposed by Theodore Roosevelt in the Bull Moose campaign of 1912. It was first brought to Congress by his cousin Franklin in 1933.
So we have really been talking about this off and on for 86 years.
How’s the solar house working in the summer sunshine?
For Sure!!
That jambalaya was the bee’s knees as the kids today say. Betcha Suzanne made quick work of that pie for breakfast, though, am I right?
Thanks for sharing! Looks like a fun crowd.
If MJ’s doc gets charged that would probably be bright and shiny enough to keep them going for a bit.
that would explains zit. whoever it twas did a good job! and i am loving the sign more and more.
I was glad I could stop by.
And the brownies – I know there are some fruit-averse among us, and they were treated.
I am, however, eating an orange right now.
We be making more than enough to run the meter backwards and then some… PG&E still owe us and we are living on SUN energy!! Of course in the winter…. well but still there are plenty of offsets and we DO not pay PG&E anything!!
GOP wins if its all about the Gossip they can’t win if the media even with their slanted pro GOP coverage covers the story so they must change the conversation. They hope this story cools off and dies down.
Still more job losses are likely and that means more Americans will lose their Healthcare the GOP really should have insisted that Obama front load a bigger Stimulus now their own plan to weaken the stimulus is costing them.
If we had created more jobs early on then the GOP could have argued that Healthcare was not needed.
Nope Coffee only!! Of course it was Peets Arabian Mocha Java…. the best of Peets!!
versailles press. is the press supposed to be this depressing? this is a fill in the blank type question.
The GOP also has to worry about the Swine Flu nothing like a plague nobody has any immunity too to get people talking about healthcare.
If the Swine flu is bad this year we win.
Ah, gee. Would that be our newt?
Do you get some power in the winter not enough to run the house maybe but still its FREE! That has to be so cool.
LOLOMAn
Just checked out the photos, Tucker has an endearingly sheepish quality.:-)
I’m going to get the vaccine, and I haven’t gotten a flu shot since I was living in the dorms.
No, I was in and out. Besides, my photographic skills are inadvertent and undirected. I could never have composed a portrait like that one :-)
I’m sure this week will be all things Sarah.
Probably giving the GOP too much credit at this point to suggest their actions are motivated by some kind of thought process. “Party of No” pretty well sums them up.
I get them every year. When you teach big sections of 200+ students it is good to take precautions. Have not had the flu since I started getting them and do not miss it one bit.
Cool sn’tthe real definition… we can run every electric appliance in the house and the meter will still be going backwards!! We be loving our SOLAR!!
Does your solar home provide enough energy to run the air conditioner? Summer is peak out put time for the power companies they charge the most then? But do to the bad economy are rates lower than last year?
If so when the economy gets better and as more people can afford to turn on the air conditioner the power companies should raise rates in the summer more and then you should get paid even more cash!
I get them every year since my prescription meds leave me somewhat compromised already. Don’t think I’ve had the flu in over 15 years (knock on wood).
I got the shot once. I don’t know if it was coincidence or not, but I was deathly ill for a couple of days afterwards — 104 temp ill. I’ve avoided them since.
sheepish my ass he is a love bug who just loves people!!
Tucker is a wonderful and friendly dog, happy to have company in the house, just like his human companions. A delightful host.
Maybe I should have said “wooly.” He looks like a darlin’.
Oh, my, I suppose the Retrospective Machine will be in overdrive. And here I thought she’d ride off into the sunset at least for a little bit….
But if the flu is bad everyone will want one. Thanks to the healthcare debate and the swine flu scare people are already sensitized to the issue. If there is not enough Vaccine to go around that will make voters angry and that will help us.
My advice get the vaccine early.
I always get mine as early as I can. Don’t want any of that awful Obamacare rationing!
Hot damn! George Lucas is a Firepup?!? Here comes the big money.
At the first opportunity. I’d volunteer for the vax trials if I were near a trial center.
Our system is generating about 60KWH a day
That could be a reaction to the shot. Occasionally people come down with a mild case of the flu or exhibit flu-like symptoms (at least that is what they always tell us). I have never had any reaction at all to the shots and have been taking them for almost 10 years. Helps that the university gives them to us for free.
Someone writes the talking points they all read. Its like they all share one brain we at the Blogs come up with tons of different takes on issues the GOP they only have one take.
I will grant you the GOPs one brain is not very bright. I here it has trouble with “the Math”.
Oh Teddy!!
Rep John Shaddeg has a commercial running against the Phoenix market…it was ran all weekend.
Hmph. Try being in western Montana. The closest we will ever come to that kind of thing is the biohazard 4 lab down south of here.
That was my assessment, too. I was taking micro that term, and Dr. C said it was probably a reaction to the vaccine.
Who put a Bio-4 lab in Montana?
In the early 2000s I developed a mild case of chicken pox after receiving the vaccine. It’s a live vaccine and one of my meds is an immune suppressant, so I wasn’t all that surprised but my doctor seemed shocked. You know how DOCTORS are…:-)
Can’t get the link to work
Your doc gave you the vaccine knowing you were immune compromised?
It’s not a link, just a blockquote.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if some gasbag commentator would ask one of the Senate GOPs “Now, Senator, is that your policy position, or is that your political posturing? Because you surely can’t believe America should do nothing about health care, but that’s what’ll happen if we do what you say.”
The virus in the vaccine is a weak version and if he thought about it at all, he probably thought that would be preferable to a guy in his 40s contracting chicken pox the usual way. I kind of doubt that the possibility occurred to him, as I mentioned he appeared shocked. When I called and told them I had it they acted like I was a nut but had me come in, where it was quickly determined that I was correct.
National Institutes of Health. It is called Rocky Mountain Laboratories and is in Hamilton, about 30 miles south of here. The only good thing I can say about it is that if anything goes wrong, Ravalli County, where it is located, is one of the most reactionary Republican areas in western Montana.
don’t ask me, I just wrote the text of commercial…….. the wingnut rep shaddegg is being whipped……..
Are all the GOPers going to get targeted with ads do you know or is there a reason to think he might be willing to change his mind?
If we are targeting select GOPers what criteria are we using?
Sorry its good to know the Dems are finally hitting back:) I hope there are lots more ads like that!
the system is a 10KWH system and will run everything during the Sun hours!!
I’m certain David Gregory’s offer to Mark Sanford was pretty standard fare. Come on the show and (because you are Republican) we’ll let you frame the issues any way you like.
Immune compromised people have to be really careful with live virus vaccines.
In fact, don’t be around infants for a week or two after they’ve received the Sabin polio vaccine.
Katymine, good to see you!
Hey, KM. How are you doing?
I’m immune-compromised as well, and I’ve gotten the shot every year except one (that year there was some mix-up in the paperwork because I had a new job and new insurance).
Katy how ya doing Sweetie… Hope things are going good for… hugs
Maybe the Lake can ask some GOPers with national ambitions to address these questions? I think that any GOPer who wants to move up if he can handle the Lake would get Major GOP Cred as someone who knows the Net, is not afraid of the issues, and can handle tough questions.
Such a person if they were seeking the presidency in an age of Sarah and Bobby would make some news.
Of course Rudy, Mitt and Jeb would then get scared very scared.
Hey katy!
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Is Shaddegg unintelligent, off his rocker, or slaved to the party line? Cause to me, he comes off like someone with some crossed wires.
Thanks for the info. Fortunately the odds of me being around infants is pretty remote. Like cats I think they’re cute but I’m always glad they live with somebody else. Actually, I probably like cats a little better even though I’m allergic to them…:-)
How much battery storage do you have, nahant? Or do you run off the grid after dark?
That long…jesus…
Reminds me of Winston Churchill’s comment…
“Americans always do the right thing when they’ve exhausted everything else”.
Have we exhausted everything else in health care to finally admit that we need a public system? I think so.
I hope you’re right. I’m afraid we’re going to kick the can down the road. I surely hope not.
It is amazing it took a breakaway Republican, Teddy Roosevelt, to first propose it. The Republicans have always been the Owners’ Party, and The Owners don’t want us to be healthy.
Pelosi says healthcare will happen:
We certainly will (kick the can that is) if my senior senator can find a way to do it and not get thrown out on his ear. He is already afraid to come home and face his constituents.
I remember some ER docs had to take 10 days off each when they got some vaccine (after 9/11) because it was dangerous to be around compromised people or pregnant women. I just can’t remember which vaccine it was.
you should see icarus the iguana. hi teddy, hi newt, hi nahant–great party!
I liked Baucus a lot better back when he played Thurston Howell or Mr. Magoo…
Teddy, nahant!
Loved the photos! Suzanne’s new motto too!!
I wish Sen. Kyl would go away but that won’t happen anytime soon.
Time for me to toddle off. Take care all.
I don’t mind that Dems fight amongst themselves – Hell, I take comfort in it. What I don’t like is the possibility that if they can’t be corralled, they may fall back ‘just to get something passed.’ That means whatever the Republicans in the Senate tell them they can get through. I have no faith at all in Harry Reid.
We have been down this road with Nancy before.
Prolly anthrax.
Nighters.
nite doctor
hi spur!
hey there spurious, it was great to see you yesterday!
Great name. One of the incredibly rare winged iguanas?
No Batteries…. we do run off the grid at night but with a time of day meter(TOD) we only use minimal at night.. Of course we do live in Redwood City where the weather is best by Government Test!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shadegg
Shadegg is looking to retire which means he can buck his party they got nothing to threaten him with. Also he was the only Arizona GOP Congressman to vote for the Stimulus plan maybe he can be reasoned with?
If we apply enough pressure voters back home angry about no healthcare can make his life hard unless he moves after he retires.
Shit do you mean Fancy Nancy is going for the gold for all citizens health Care??
Dam and I was SO pissed at her for being such a whimp during the BushCo years!!
I’m glad to hear it’s working out well.
We’ve had such an unusually mild summer, I’m certain the local utility is pissed. They had a rate hike request in already. They’ll probably get it, they usually do.
Think I’ll pull a Palin and call it quits. Splendid evening to all.
All Nancy has to do to look tough is stand next to Harry.
We had them beaten on FISA reauthorization. Wait 6 months and let Sly Reyes and Rocky reinvent the thing. If they can smother it like they did FISA…
Glad you could be here Spur!! October is looking like a BBQ cook off… dam the food will be audacious…..
I think this choice shows the Dems are using their brains to target their ads this is good.
Night ratfood!! Sleep well
They talked about the virus “shedding” from the vaccine site scab…maybe smallpox? just a guess though.
nite rat
nite ratty
I have an interesting story about healthcare….. I was in the hospital over the weekend….. first of we drove the 35 miles to the Mayo Hospital for ER treatment and admission.
The night nurse, a young nurse, Elmore and I starting talking about how the state of our health care system. She went to nursing school at Mayo and then worked at Mayo so her views of the system was very slanted. We filled her in with all the details. She kept hearing about the 47 million or so without insurance but did know about poor quality, that people are being disenrolled for filing a claim. As I was discharged, I asked for her to talk to everyone about what we told her……. Maybe they arent against universal health care, maybe they are not exposed to what the industry is doing……
My dad says the republicans protect the corporations from the people, and the democrats protect the people from the corporations.
Course there are some mighty shameful dems.
Hmmmm. It would have to be a live vaccine, and that limits the possibilities. Probably MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), because they are spread by droplets.
Anthrax?
No, anthrax is a pretty crude killed bacillus vaccine. Recipients aren’t infectious.
Nite rat.
My brother said, “I agree with what the Republicans say they stand for. But I also know that a Democrat won’t hurt you accidentally as much as a Republican will on purpose.”
G’night, Rat.
teddy you do have Mail!!
I like it, BC!
great to see you all too! and incredible food…
Hey Nahant. Looks like you guys were having fun and the food looks great. Sorry we didn’t make it.
So did I, Loo.
nahant, i’m off on a road trip in october, not sure i’ll make it. damn!
That right there is the kind of thing Obama needs to say at every speech. He needs numbers he needs the names of which insurance companies do this the most and what their profits off each person are by doing it.
Me too demi… maybe in October for the Pup BBQ cook off… I have been challenged…
I guess I will have to showcase my BBQ skills… I am always up to any food challenge!!
Shit Spur…. we can work on the actual dates!! So You can be here!!
It’s a pretty long drive, though.
Hey, Loo Hoo’s much closer. Wanna cook up another meet? Who else is around here? PJ Evans lives near me.
Good for you, katymine! Hope your nurses learned something. Hard to believe nurses could be so uninformed, huh?
Glad you’re back…we were worried about you.
That’s pretty powerful, but Harry Reid’s hurt a lot of people. And not exactly by accident.
I offer up my home! (North San Diego County)
Around here are Blub and rwcole for sure. Don’t know who else…
would hate like hell to miss it! driving to nc via tx, fl, etc
MIssed you, was looking forward to meeting you there!
Meetups are real powerful, I highly recommend them. I came away from yesterday quite energized, and it wasn’t just from the jambalaya — the people power is strong with firepups.
although the jambalaya didn’t hurt!
I’m watching an all day special on Walter Cronkite, he is very honest about the McCarthy era and many other historical events…. Cronkite lost a very good friend from suicide from the pressure.
Nite Pups!!
Is Harry a Democrat or a DINO?
I think he’s a DINO, and I think that Obama’s biggest mistake was tapping HRC for SecState. She should have stayed in the Senate and deposed Reid as Majority Leader.
And it’s a sorry-assed world in which HRC qualifies as a liberal!
i’m off too. night all
We do have the SoCal list, but haven’t seen a lot of them around here lately. Did see Old Coastie at Christy’s the other day.
It is really cool to get together.
I think I’ll head out too. ‘night folks.
Next question if Healthcare fails who do we get to Challenge Harry?
Isn’t it funny how two people who live in the same state can live so far away from each other? If we lived in the Northeast, how many states away from each other would be?
Hillary didn’t have the senority to be leader.
Night, spurious.
While some actual leadership in the Senate is an essential part of governance, I admire Obama’s choice of Hillary for State. He does, after all, have an entire planet to think about.
But you’re right I think about what it would take in the Senate to restore some balls to the place. Obama would never get behind an actual Liberal a la Feingold, and Dick Durbin is not the right replacement.
nite nahant
We’ve got that on too. I love that Discovery channel commercial they are playing.
Boom De Yada!
Nite, BC.
Seniority is important, but it’s not everything. There have been revolutions in the past. IIRC LBJ is one example.
nite spur
nite BC
Agreed. Hillary’s work on MTP this morning was great. Gotta admire her, she’s one tough cookie.
If you lived in the northeast and were that far apart one of you wouldn’t be in the northeast.
I want to thank you Thingscomeundone for fixing my posts….. I am having some word find issues….
I didn’t see it, but I have the vodcast just sitting here.
She is tough, and she has what she wanted (the toughest job in the world) without the domestic politics at her door.
She is one talented and lucky lady, and no one anywhere works harder.
Teddy, do you ever travel down to this part of the state? I bet if you did, we’d plan a meet up for a special guest.
I think it’s interesting that Bill is nowhere to be seen.
As do I, and I have no explanation other than he may be sitting quietly while his better half gets her feet wet.
OTOH, he may not be sitting aside at all. He is loved all over the place, and could be Mr. Back-channel.
The only split within the GOP is whether to explicitly state the desire to bring about Obama’s Waterloo or not.