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	<title>Comments on: Friendship and Freedom</title>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Friendship, like sex, is both indispensable and latent with serious abuse.  The antidote to corruption in both, as in politics, is open air and sunlight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friendship, like sex, is both indispensable and latent with serious abuse.  The antidote to corruption in both, as in politics, is open air and sunlight.</p>
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		<title>By: laurastrand</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943342</link>
		<dc:creator>laurastrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again, you are right.. .  but. .  .it’s funny that the friends of my parents and their kids, are the ones I love like family because friends are the family of affinity and thus, sustain us when needed.  Friends (ideally of many or several generations) keep us tied in to a societal web that can withstand the rigors of day to day life.  It’s the friends of my mother that help most as we struggle with her dementia and long slow goodbye.  The long ago memories are the ones she recalls and so, I am am learning of the girl who grew to be my mom and friend.  I’m sure I’m not alone.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, you are right.. .  but. .  .it’s funny that the friends of my parents and their kids, are the ones I love like family because friends are the family of affinity and thus, sustain us when needed.  Friends (ideally of many or several generations) keep us tied in to a societal web that can withstand the rigors of day to day life.  It’s the friends of my mother that help most as we struggle with her dementia and long slow goodbye.  The long ago memories are the ones she recalls and so, I am am learning of the girl who grew to be my mom and friend.  I’m sure I’m not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943251</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are so right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943250</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom, you raise critically important — and true — points. I hope we can continue to explore this issue. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hss.ed.ac.uk/giffordexemp/2000/details/ProfessorAlexanderNehamas.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nehamas has some good things to say&lt;/a&gt; with regard to reciprocal understanding between friends and its relationship to freedom. The podcasts weren’t downloading well, but they did play.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you raise critically important — and true — points. I hope we can continue to explore this issue. <a href="http://www.hss.ed.ac.uk/giffordexemp/2000/details/ProfessorAlexanderNehamas.html" rel="nofollow">Nehamas has some good things to say</a> with regard to reciprocal understanding between friends and its relationship to freedom. The podcasts weren’t downloading well, but they did play.</p>
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		<title>By: TomR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943245</link>
		<dc:creator>TomR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Glenn for another thought-provoking piece.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Friendship challenges inequalities as it respects difference.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I look at this from a psychological angle where one compares the difference between intimacy and enmeshment.  I found this on the web some years ago:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Enmeshment may feel like intimacy, but it is not. Intimacy comes from knowing each other very well, accepting shortcomings and differences and loving each other anyway.  Enmeshment is attempting to feel and think as if you were the same person.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, look at the Bush administration. To them, friendship meant loyalty above all else, which is an authoritarian principle. Were they accepting of differing beliefs within the administration? I think we all know what happened to those folks.  They believe enmeshment is friendship, which is a mentally unhealthy and dysfunctional belief system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The key to healthy support and friendship is that it is offered freely by one person to another.  The support could be solicited or unsolicited, as long as the supporter freely decides what they are willing to do.  When a person resorts to manipulation of another person to get the support they desire, then it becomes coercion.  It ceases to be mentally healthy support.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think coercion is another weapon the Bush administration and authoritarian leaders like to use on their “friends,” their authoritarian followers. They effectively use toxic shame on their followers, accusing them of not being “good conservatives” if they don’t enmesh and go along with the agenda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think if we can get agreement on what real friendship is, that would go a long way to achieving your goal Glenn.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Tom&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Glenn for another thought-provoking piece.</p>
<blockquote><p>Friendship challenges inequalities as it respects difference.</p>
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<p>I look at this from a psychological angle where one compares the difference between intimacy and enmeshment.  I found this on the web some years ago:</p>
<blockquote><p>Enmeshment may feel like intimacy, but it is not. Intimacy comes from knowing each other very well, accepting shortcomings and differences and loving each other anyway.  Enmeshment is attempting to feel and think as if you were the same person.</p>
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<p>Now, look at the Bush administration. To them, friendship meant loyalty above all else, which is an authoritarian principle. Were they accepting of differing beliefs within the administration? I think we all know what happened to those folks.  They believe enmeshment is friendship, which is a mentally unhealthy and dysfunctional belief system.</p>
<p>The key to healthy support and friendship is that it is offered freely by one person to another.  The support could be solicited or unsolicited, as long as the supporter freely decides what they are willing to do.  When a person resorts to manipulation of another person to get the support they desire, then it becomes coercion.  It ceases to be mentally healthy support.  </p>
<p>I think coercion is another weapon the Bush administration and authoritarian leaders like to use on their “friends,” their authoritarian followers. They effectively use toxic shame on their followers, accusing them of not being “good conservatives” if they don’t enmesh and go along with the agenda.</p>
<p>I think if we can get agreement on what real friendship is, that would go a long way to achieving your goal Glenn.</p>
<p>- Tom</p>
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		<title>By: bgrothus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943244</link>
		<dc:creator>bgrothus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These ideas are important.  I believe that we will rescue ourselves together in our neighborhoods, or we will perish in desperate times.  Friendships are key.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These ideas are important.  I believe that we will rescue ourselves together in our neighborhoods, or we will perish in desperate times.  Friendships are key.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943211</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, SouthernDragon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, SouthernDragon.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943210</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and Crazy Aunts!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Crazy Aunts!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943209</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, sadly true, and I’m hoping we can decide to do something about it — which first means moving the issue into the public sphere, rescuing it from oblivion in the private. The pressures working against friendship are cultural, economic and political, they aren’t private.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sadly true, and I’m hoping we can decide to do something about it — which first means moving the issue into the public sphere, rescuing it from oblivion in the private. The pressures working against friendship are cultural, economic and political, they aren’t private.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/26/friendship-and-freedom/#comment-1943208</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Crazy uncles!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy uncles!!</p>
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