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		<title>By: regulararmyfool</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1943198</link>
		<dc:creator>regulararmyfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am 62. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am now living under the sixth president of the united states that could be and should have been prosecuted for war crimes. 6 months equals Obama owns these war crimes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is there any other nation that can match that number?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 62. </p>
<p>I am now living under the sixth president of the united states that could be and should have been prosecuted for war crimes. 6 months equals Obama owns these war crimes.</p>
<p>Is there any other nation that can match that number?</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
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		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff, I admire what you’re doing.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great news about Binyam Mohamed.  I want him and others like him to succeed in obtaining justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I admire what you’re doing.  Thank you.</p>
<p>Great news about Binyam Mohamed.  I want him and others like him to succeed in obtaining justice.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1943007</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…sickness that is amerikkka.&lt;br /&gt;
it certainly explains why so much unconscionable conduct post-911 has been treated as just business-as-usual.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are so many manifestations of this sickness and of a decaying empire in the throes of a death rebirth drama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…sickness that is amerikkka.<br />
it certainly explains why so much unconscionable conduct post-911 has been treated as just business-as-usual.</p>
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<p>There are so many manifestations of this sickness and of a decaying empire in the throes of a death rebirth drama.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1942890</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe after his release, King returned to his home state of Ohio. I think a suit was attempted against the Navy for what it did to him. I don’t know what happened to that suit. Some people who were talking to me stopped in the process of writing the article, and I might have found out more from them. I didn’t make a concerted effort to track down Mr. King, partly because I didn’t have the time or resources. I certainly hope he was able to put his life back together. I didn’t want him to become the focus of the story, but the perfidy of those who hid or underplayed the abuse done to him, and the way that intersected APA/governmental mechanisms to legitimate the torture program over the last eight years. I also didn’t want to bring any more pain to Mr. King than covering the story at all might involve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe after his release, King returned to his home state of Ohio. I think a suit was attempted against the Navy for what it did to him. I don’t know what happened to that suit. Some people who were talking to me stopped in the process of writing the article, and I might have found out more from them. I didn’t make a concerted effort to track down Mr. King, partly because I didn’t have the time or resources. I certainly hope he was able to put his life back together. I didn’t want him to become the focus of the story, but the perfidy of those who hid or underplayed the abuse done to him, and the way that intersected APA/governmental mechanisms to legitimate the torture program over the last eight years. I also didn’t want to bring any more pain to Mr. King than covering the story at all might involve.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1942859</link>
		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i’m curious if you know what’s happened with daniel king since he’s been released?  i’m wondering how he’s faring.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’m curious if you know what’s happened with daniel king since he’s been released?  i’m wondering how he’s faring.</p>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
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		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;mahalos for the factual information about the sickness that is amerikkka.&lt;br /&gt;
it certainly explains why so much unconscionable conduct post-911 has been treated as just business-as-usual.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i feel sorry for all of those people who voted for obama and his pledge of change.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what will it take for people to start thinking about what it is that the U.S.A. actually stands for?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>mahalos for the factual information about the sickness that is amerikkka.<br />
it certainly explains why so much unconscionable conduct post-911 has been treated as just business-as-usual.</p>
<p>i feel sorry for all of those people who voted for obama and his pledge of change.</p>
<p>what will it take for people to start thinking about what it is that the U.S.A. actually stands for?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1942826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know you’ve mentioned it before. I promise I’ll take a look.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you’ve mentioned it before. I promise I’ll take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1942825</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@19&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The planned collapse of AmericaDec 7, 2007 … Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. … Changing Images of Man predicts an American economic collapse and a …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2715.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.onlinejournal.com/artman/p.....2715.shtml&lt;/a&gt; - Cached - Similar&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@19</p>
<p>The planned collapse of AmericaDec 7, 2007 … Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. … Changing Images of Man predicts an American economic collapse and a …<br /><a href="http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2715.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/p&#8230;..2715.shtml</a> &#8211; Cached &#8211; Similar</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1942824</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff,have you ever read the ’70’s government commissioned Stanford Research Document entitled “The Changing Images of Man”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PLEASE check this out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Written during the Vietnam Era,it is a BLUEPRINT for what is occuring now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is an  excerpt from an excellent synopsis of the study,with a link to the PDF of the study itself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scary and true,I can’t recommend it highly enough to you for your research,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——————————————————————————–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The planned collapse of America&lt;br /&gt;
By Peter Chamberlin&lt;br /&gt;
Online Journal Contributing Writer&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dec 7, 2007&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The government has known for decades that America is on a countdown to self-destruction. Among the elite it is common knowledge that our “global economy” must one day collapse from its own dead weight.&lt;br /&gt;
 In 1974 an intensive research project was undertaken by the Stanford Research Institute and the Charles F. Kettering Foundation for the Dept. of Education. Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. It was compiled by the SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. This is a far-reaching investigation into how the basic nature of man might be changed. .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The government was looking forward to a very troubling future, trying to figure out the best path through it. The plan was to find ways to shape and mold mankind into a new cultural image, complete with new ideas and ideologies, even religious ones. The root of the problem was human nature, and solution was to reshape the competing forces of daily life, in order to forge a new image of a new human nature.&lt;br /&gt;
 The research revealed that there were a multitude of crises that were about to intersect in America’s near future. Not the least of these converging catastrophes was a rapidly approaching breakdown of both American capitalism and democracy. The collapse was a natural result of globalism and monopoly capitalism. The basic greed that powers the system eroded the American political and economic structures, exposing the foundation of immorality and unfairness that amplifies the social unrest.&lt;br /&gt;
 The Stanford researchers clearly predicted that the American economy was destined to collapse from its own dead weight. The data also showed that that economic collapse was to be accompanied by disastrous social repercussions, such as rioting and upheaval, which would lead us into a “garrison state.”&lt;em&gt;MODERATOR EDIT HERE&lt;/em&gt;(excerpt)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~~~&lt;em&gt;ModNote: Copyrighted material is subject to Fair Use guidelines and needs to be limited to about 200 words. Providing a link is a good idea. Thanks.&lt;/em&gt;~~~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,have you ever read the ’70’s government commissioned Stanford Research Document entitled “The Changing Images of Man”?</p>
<p>PLEASE check this out.</p>
<p>Written during the Vietnam Era,it is a BLUEPRINT for what is occuring now.</p>
<p>Here is an  excerpt from an excellent synopsis of the study,with a link to the PDF of the study itself.</p>
<p>Scary and true,I can’t recommend it highly enough to you for your research,</p>
<p>——————————————————————————–</p>
<p>The planned collapse of America<br />
By Peter Chamberlin<br />
Online Journal Contributing Writer</p>
<p>Dec 7, 2007</p>
<p>The government has known for decades that America is on a countdown to self-destruction. Among the elite it is common knowledge that our “global economy” must one day collapse from its own dead weight.<br />
 In 1974 an intensive research project was undertaken by the Stanford Research Institute and the Charles F. Kettering Foundation for the Dept. of Education. Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. It was compiled by the SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. This is a far-reaching investigation into how the basic nature of man might be changed. .</p>
<p>The government was looking forward to a very troubling future, trying to figure out the best path through it. The plan was to find ways to shape and mold mankind into a new cultural image, complete with new ideas and ideologies, even religious ones. The root of the problem was human nature, and solution was to reshape the competing forces of daily life, in order to forge a new image of a new human nature.<br />
 The research revealed that there were a multitude of crises that were about to intersect in America’s near future. Not the least of these converging catastrophes was a rapidly approaching breakdown of both American capitalism and democracy. The collapse was a natural result of globalism and monopoly capitalism. The basic greed that powers the system eroded the American political and economic structures, exposing the foundation of immorality and unfairness that amplifies the social unrest.<br />
 The Stanford researchers clearly predicted that the American economy was destined to collapse from its own dead weight. The data also showed that that economic collapse was to be accompanied by disastrous social repercussions, such as rioting and upheaval, which would lead us into a “garrison state.”<em>MODERATOR EDIT HERE</em>(excerpt)</p>
<p>~~~<em>ModNote: Copyrighted material is subject to Fair Use guidelines and needs to be limited to about 200 words. Providing a link is a good idea. Thanks.</em>~~~</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/25/military-interrogations-torture-hyprocrisy-pre-date-911/#comment-1942823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@14 - You are right about the prison ships, but wrong about my age (I just missed being drafted when Nixon stopped the draft in Aug. 1973.) The news on Jeppesen is major, and I’m sure we’ll be reading a lot more about that real soon. Thanks for reporting it here!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@15 - It’s difficult to compare different political periods. I think you could look at how the U.S. Army and CIA engaged in large scale domestic spying during the 1960s and early 1970s and say things were far worse back then. On the other hand, I don’t think in their wildest dreams the Johnson or Nixon administrations would have tried to legitimate torture the way Bush-Cheney did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@17 - Very well said. I agree the problem is a right-wing national security state and apparatus (Pentagon, NSA, CIA, etc.). Not everyone in the military is bad (think of the JAGs quoted in the article), but the system is certainly subordinated to a very reactionary program, and the leadership has let power go to their heads. It’s a frightening time we live in, and I don’t know where the leadership we need is going to come from. — As for a Pulitzer, well, I’m sure there’s some others who could stand in line way before me ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@14 &#8211; You are right about the prison ships, but wrong about my age (I just missed being drafted when Nixon stopped the draft in Aug. 1973.) The news on Jeppesen is major, and I’m sure we’ll be reading a lot more about that real soon. Thanks for reporting it here!</p>
<p>@15 &#8211; It’s difficult to compare different political periods. I think you could look at how the U.S. Army and CIA engaged in large scale domestic spying during the 1960s and early 1970s and say things were far worse back then. On the other hand, I don’t think in their wildest dreams the Johnson or Nixon administrations would have tried to legitimate torture the way Bush-Cheney did.</p>
<p>@17 &#8211; Very well said. I agree the problem is a right-wing national security state and apparatus (Pentagon, NSA, CIA, etc.). Not everyone in the military is bad (think of the JAGs quoted in the article), but the system is certainly subordinated to a very reactionary program, and the leadership has let power go to their heads. It’s a frightening time we live in, and I don’t know where the leadership we need is going to come from. — As for a Pulitzer, well, I’m sure there’s some others who could stand in line way before me ;-)</p>
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