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	<title>Comments on: Obama Speaks, Dow Listens – and Zooms Upward</title>
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		<title>By: torgo2009</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/obama-speaks-dow-listens-and-zooms-upward/#comment-1942204</link>
		<dc:creator>torgo2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately a lot of what we are seeing is the result of the US dollar doing a swan dive.  We’ve been printing far too much money and it is starting to catch up with us.  I think we’ll see the dollar index drop to 70 or maybe lower before it’s all over.  Gold should soar as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately a lot of what we are seeing is the result of the US dollar doing a swan dive.  We’ve been printing far too much money and it is starting to catch up with us.  I think we’ll see the dollar index drop to 70 or maybe lower before it’s all over.  Gold should soar as well.</p>
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		<title>By: gtomkins</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/obama-speaks-dow-listens-and-zooms-upward/#comment-1941954</link>
		<dc:creator>gtomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t hitch Obama’s wagon to that falling star&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Claim credit for Obama for the DOW rising a bit today, and he’ll have to accept responsibility when it plunges later.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our markets have only guaranteed themselves bigger eventual plunges by successfully avoiding accountability to date.  They have so far managed to privatize the profit and socialize the risk, but that can’t continue indefinitely.  Even if they could get the taxpayer to play their fools forever, they have already run up losses in excess of what the taxpayer will ever be able to repay, and certainly will never be able to repay when the added burdens of the future bailouts that not facing the music now will let them continue to generate until they are stopped.  Our international creditors will not prove so endlessly foregiving, and they will eventually end the hayride.  Our markets, based as they are on confidence, will evaporate in the bonfire of that confidence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While Obama will bear legitimately share some of the responsibility for that day, because he is enabling and facilitating the banksters, it is not mostly his fault.  Let’s not tie his reputation to the valuations of fundamentally fraudulent markets.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t hitch Obama’s wagon to that falling star</p>
<p>Claim credit for Obama for the DOW rising a bit today, and he’ll have to accept responsibility when it plunges later.</p>
<p>Our markets have only guaranteed themselves bigger eventual plunges by successfully avoiding accountability to date.  They have so far managed to privatize the profit and socialize the risk, but that can’t continue indefinitely.  Even if they could get the taxpayer to play their fools forever, they have already run up losses in excess of what the taxpayer will ever be able to repay, and certainly will never be able to repay when the added burdens of the future bailouts that not facing the music now will let them continue to generate until they are stopped.  Our international creditors will not prove so endlessly foregiving, and they will eventually end the hayride.  Our markets, based as they are on confidence, will evaporate in the bonfire of that confidence.</p>
<p>While Obama will bear legitimately share some of the responsibility for that day, because he is enabling and facilitating the banksters, it is not mostly his fault.  Let’s not tie his reputation to the valuations of fundamentally fraudulent markets.</p>
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		<title>By: nrafter530</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/obama-speaks-dow-listens-and-zooms-upward/#comment-1941879</link>
		<dc:creator>nrafter530</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t get so focused on the market…it’s likely to have a big drop tomorrow because of the amount it’s risen and bad earnings from Microsoft, Amazon and AMEX.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s just going up too fast at the moment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t get so focused on the market…it’s likely to have a big drop tomorrow because of the amount it’s risen and bad earnings from Microsoft, Amazon and AMEX.</p>
<p>It’s just going up too fast at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnDoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Check out the upcoming Treasury sales:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;70 day CMBs, $30 billion (tomorrow)&lt;br /&gt;
13 week Bills, $32 billion (July 27th)&lt;br /&gt;
26 week Bills, $31 billion (July 27th)&lt;br /&gt;
52 week Bills, $27 billion (July 28th)&lt;br /&gt;
2 year Notes, $42 billion (July 28th)&lt;br /&gt;
5 year Notes, $39 billion (July 29th)&lt;br /&gt;
7 year Notes, $28 billion (July 30th)&lt;br /&gt;
19 year, 6 month TIPS (reopened), $6 billion (July 27th)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Two hundred thirty-five billion dollars in a single week?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s 12 trillion bucks of debt in a year…..who’s gonna be buying all of it and what does it tell you about the flaming bag of poo that the Bushies left on our doorstep??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the upcoming Treasury sales:</p>
<p>70 day CMBs, $30 billion (tomorrow)<br />
13 week Bills, $32 billion (July 27th)<br />
26 week Bills, $31 billion (July 27th)<br />
52 week Bills, $27 billion (July 28th)<br />
2 year Notes, $42 billion (July 28th)<br />
5 year Notes, $39 billion (July 29th)<br />
7 year Notes, $28 billion (July 30th)<br />
19 year, 6 month TIPS (reopened), $6 billion (July 27th)</p>
<p>Two hundred thirty-five billion dollars in a single week?</p>
<p>That’s 12 trillion bucks of debt in a year…..who’s gonna be buying all of it and what does it tell you about the flaming bag of poo that the Bushies left on our doorstep??</p>
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		<title>By: Albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not to cast a pall over the proceedings, but I recall all the major economists predicting a boost in the numbers until the end of summer, then another crash.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to cast a pall over the proceedings, but I recall all the major economists predicting a boost in the numbers until the end of summer, then another crash.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/obama-speaks-dow-listens-and-zooms-upward/#comment-1941841</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Dow is complex, a mix of psychology (psychosis), superstition, art, and science. It’s a bit like  playing poker with millions of other investors, some of whom are merely trying to win enough to pay for their rooms for the night…others trying to win the whole game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And whether you want to play THAT game, depends on how well people feel about their possibilities in winning OTHER games..and how much money they have to invest. Clearly an increasing DOW suggests that there is, somehow, still money to be invested in the economy. Someone has money to spend (where did this $$$ come from, and who is investing it? Could it be that this is the result of the tougher enforcement of off-shore investment accounts? The bank bailouts?  ). As well, those investors need to put that money somewhere, and the other options aren’t looking as lucrative. That might mean that those other options are really, really bleak.  Resolving the health care issue would help many companies in an area of major cost for them, on the other hand many of the DJIA industries ARE involved in Insurance, Pharma, Hospitals, etc.  Are those losing value?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nevertheless, providing this isn’t a “bubble”, it’s good for those people who live on their 40lK’s, pension plans, and many public agencies that invested heavily in the market before the Bush crash.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dow is complex, a mix of psychology (psychosis), superstition, art, and science. It’s a bit like  playing poker with millions of other investors, some of whom are merely trying to win enough to pay for their rooms for the night…others trying to win the whole game.</p>
<p>And whether you want to play THAT game, depends on how well people feel about their possibilities in winning OTHER games..and how much money they have to invest. Clearly an increasing DOW suggests that there is, somehow, still money to be invested in the economy. Someone has money to spend (where did this $$$ come from, and who is investing it? Could it be that this is the result of the tougher enforcement of off-shore investment accounts? The bank bailouts?  ). As well, those investors need to put that money somewhere, and the other options aren’t looking as lucrative. That might mean that those other options are really, really bleak.  Resolving the health care issue would help many companies in an area of major cost for them, on the other hand many of the DJIA industries ARE involved in Insurance, Pharma, Hospitals, etc.  Are those losing value?</p>
<p>Nevertheless, providing this isn’t a “bubble”, it’s good for those people who live on their 40lK’s, pension plans, and many public agencies that invested heavily in the market before the Bush crash.</p>
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		<title>By: icycatpond</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/obama-speaks-dow-listens-and-zooms-upward/#comment-1941816</link>
		<dc:creator>icycatpond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Of course, none of the financial analysts are making that connection”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course not, they probably don’t want to be called retarded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Correlation does not equal causation. I’ve seen right wing pundits say his performance was so bad (it was even criticized by the NYT) that universal health care probably won’t happen now, and that’s why the DOW is up. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It probably had more to do with Ford Motor Co. releasing second quarter profits of 2.3 billion and Hershey and Phillip Morris International Inc releasing forecasts higher than expected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you only follow politics it can scew your analysis of things you don’t know well, like the DJIA. Makes you look kind of stupid IMO.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Of course, none of the financial analysts are making that connection”</p>
<p>Of course not, they probably don’t want to be called retarded.</p>
<p>Correlation does not equal causation. I’ve seen right wing pundits say his performance was so bad (it was even criticized by the NYT) that universal health care probably won’t happen now, and that’s why the DOW is up. </p>
<p>It probably had more to do with Ford Motor Co. releasing second quarter profits of 2.3 billion and Hershey and Phillip Morris International Inc releasing forecasts higher than expected.</p>
<p>When you only follow politics it can scew your analysis of things you don’t know well, like the DJIA. Makes you look kind of stupid IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/obama-speaks-dow-listens-and-zooms-upward/#comment-1941789</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Timing the market thats true but dangerous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timing the market thats true but dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The market is short sighted, focused on short term gains/profits.  I don’t doubt that some corporations are using the recession as an excuse to trim the workforce.  The market goes down, speculators buy, hoping for a profit in the short term.  When one buys a million shares and they go up a dime that’s a tidy profit in a week or less.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market is short sighted, focused on short term gains/profits.  I don’t doubt that some corporations are using the recession as an excuse to trim the workforce.  The market goes down, speculators buy, hoping for a profit in the short term.  When one buys a million shares and they go up a dime that’s a tidy profit in a week or less.</p>
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		<title>By: rapier</title>
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		<dc:creator>rapier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The stock market has nothing to do with the economy. I know most people think this is like saying the sun rises in the west. The stock market does tend to move for the same reason the economy does. That is on increases or decreases in money and credit. (which are closely intertwined)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So far thorough the stupendous increases in Fed and world Central Banks balance sheet expansions, money creation, and government borrowing the stock market has the liquidity available to rise. There has been very little of that money and credit go into the real transaction economy. Stay tuned.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stock market has nothing to do with the economy. I know most people think this is like saying the sun rises in the west. The stock market does tend to move for the same reason the economy does. That is on increases or decreases in money and credit. (which are closely intertwined)</p>
<p>So far thorough the stupendous increases in Fed and world Central Banks balance sheet expansions, money creation, and government borrowing the stock market has the liquidity available to rise. There has been very little of that money and credit go into the real transaction economy. Stay tuned.</p>
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