Dude, I have no mind at this point! WEEEEE! But loving Late Late Night FDL.

ES!

Evening all. Minds not required..) (But it helps)

turds??

Hi, Suz
Evenin’ KellyC and Pups!

Just watched PBS’s paen to the markets “The Ascent of Money” Insurance and the welfare state and derivatives and stuff. Pretty much left out the greed factor and the terrible human cost of the Chicago School’s experiment in Chile.
Interesting for early history, way, way too much glorifying of the uber- uber- wealthy.

FunnyWheelieDiva

How does the healthcare debate seem on the news is the MSM still giving Reality and Lies equal time in the debate on healthcare? I assume that the MSM desperate for the gets of an interview are still not pointing out the lies.
Its sad when comedy shows are more trusted than the 10 o’clock news to tell us the truth.

ES hows the wing doing?

They left out the Chicago School in Chile or they left out any mention of the entire Chicago School?

ES – you made a comment way back on an Oxdown post I made, about a making a healthcare song.

I’ll work up another, but I hadn’t realized I already did one; about caring.

From way back, it’s “Tenderly”

Not watching television news at all these days.. but that presser tonight was horrible!

Better every day…)

I should have known you would have something in your archives. *s*

D***ed wireless is acting up again…

How about most of south America, Russia Poland and God who knows how many others got screwed over by the freaks of the Chicago School. world bank and uncle Miltie’s Free Market rip offs!!

And DOUBLE DAMN, I’m so sorry I missed the post the other night about the piano bar that La Figa Hosted.

You know I posted your No Quarter video during LLN a couple of weeks back.

Firedog In The House

Good news ES!!

Don’t tell me that! I just purchased my first router today..)

Boy, is it acting up…

Can’t wait to watch that movie.

Your first router? DeWalt or Porter-Cable?

yeah what kind?? us geeks wanna know???

Mine too. For the first time in four years, it not only threw me off line, it chucked me off my wireless account. I had to add it back, and that was weird. Two days later, same thing happened to MrCE just sitting in the same room, while I was fine. What’s up with that?
Disclaimer: Children set up this wireless account.

Ooops. I’ve got woodworking on the brain, I guess.

OMG! I had NO IDEA!

Good GOD, is there no EMAIL! I would have been there if’n I KNEW! I’m so happy, yet EMBARRASED!

Thanks ES. Wow.

I know what my problem is. I’m surrounded by neighbors who are also running wireless networks, and they won’t pick a channel and stick with it. It’s really becoming aggravating.

True and then there are the war crimes those governments did. I wonder if you can have a Shock Doctrine without war crimes? Arnold seems to be trying for one in California why won’t he just tax pot that could save some jobs.
An Amnesty for all nonviolent offenders would help. Threatening to prosecute banks for funny home loans could help get the state some credit. Especially if you hold the bank presidents with no bail as flight risks.
There is a lot a Governor can do if he wants to.

Oh, no, they discussed all that. Just left out the human misery factor. And the true evil that was Pinochet. Oh, and the role of the US/CIA/SOA in toppleing Allende. I heard it as, basically, the ends justified the means, since the Chileans got some kind of democracy back, and vindicated Friedman and his disciples. And for the underground economy and enemployed, well, hey, a booming economy raises all boats, right?

Sure as hell didn’t mention the BILLIONS of US taxpayer dollars that kept AIG from suffering the logical consequences of their bad bets on derivatives.

Or the cost to the average person when Soros and other money speculators manipulated the English Pound enough to make the finance minister pull out of (something economic or other…missed that bit).

FWDiva

go wireless N

Oh, and only mentioned the Friedmanites in Chile.
FWDiva

Cradlepoint. Evidently i am on a fairly new system.. usb port only. it’s small enough for me to take in the car or anywhere else.

True that?

LOL Please don’t be embarrassed.

Taxing pot is a red herring. It won’t get the job done.

The California experiment in modified direct democracy is completed. It’s a failure. Write yourselves a new Constitution, and limit the citizen initiative if you’re going to have it at all.

Ahrnold would never put his “Friends” in jeopardy! He will just screw the poor, the kids, the sick and the elderly. Raise taxes on the rich fuck no they might leave the state and take their money with them…

Toll Roads if Arnold holds back the road money I see allot of toll roads in the future.

True enough that I’ve thought about getting a signal booster so my signal swamps theirs … but I don’t want to start an arms race.

At some point we are going to have to take back public tv.

:) No, I’ll just be more careful.

Anyways, tax pot, what? No way dude. Tax PAPERS!

We live in a civilized neighborhood that destroys cell phone service. I don’t understand this, except that it must creep up the hill and who knows what! Magic!

And go where Chicago is cold and has bugs. I know rich folks have mansions in all the mountain states between Seattle and Chicago ( the locals complained on the train) but they don’t live their year long.
Texas has a coast but with Bush I’m not sure the beaches are clean, or the food, Florida also has beaches but is probably next to fall.
Going Gault is for cowards Arnold

Yeah.

Oh, and the series is narrated by a Brit, so it sounds all reasonable and true…

FWDiva

I’m on a hill too my cellphone works outside the further the better from home. My net some days good I borrow from the neighbors or go to coffee shops. Seattle closes early for a city.

Thats what these RePukes keep saying every time there is any mention of raising taxes on the rich. Let them buy their yachts and not pay any taxes, but let a middle class person buy a little put put boat and Ahrnold is right ther taking his due!!

Well, good night folks.

A familiar commenter on an AR blog wrote this tonight:

I’ve seen you before. You’re middle age. Got the ‘Parrot Head’ license plate on the car. Small business owner or maybe in management. And here you are in the ER. Chest pains. You were on the golf course today. Drinking a few. Joking around. Thought things were okay. Probably even told an Obama joke or two. But at this point, I don’t know all that. All I know is there is this middle aged white guy in my ER with the fear of God in his eyes cause he feels like he is going to die. Up until now, you’ve had a comfortable life. You worked hard and had some success. But now it all changes cause you are now in the belly of the beast we call the healthcare system. Even you, mister ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’, are not immune to the ’system’. Your heart attack is more severe than imagined. A week in the hospital. Then a few weeks of physical therapy to get your strength back. You are now on new meds. Expensive new meds. The insurance you thought was good turns out to not be so good. Expenses pile up. The nest egg is shrinking. And you are one of the fortunate ones. Oh, and the new meds you are on that are helping your now weak heart…well, the Big Pharma that produces that med is going to make a slight tweek to that med and reintroduce it in 6 months as a ‘new’ wonder medicine for your heart. Oh, at a much higher price of course. Oh, and your trusted family physician that is prescribing you that new wonder medicine recieved an all expense paid trip to Jamaica for a “conference” a few months before the new wonder medicine was introduced…coincidence?

I am working in the healthcare system. The system is jacked-up. Us nurses can see that. We can see that there needs to be change. We have had to treat the patients with no insurance. We have had to treat the patients who we know will not be able to afford follow-up treatment. We have had to treat these patients knowing that they will be back in our ER soon because they can’t afford a family physician. These patients are not bums or lazy or cheats.

Sometimes I believe certain people need to reread their history.

Particularly the French and Russian revolutions. The English Civil War might be instructive, too.

I thought they got Brits to do a part when they wanted the character to be truly evil Anthony Hopkins “Silence of the lambs” and and I know there are some other examples.
After all when the BBC says the Americans are going to bomb a country thats when the rest of the world believes it.

This is so odd. I drive two miles down to work, and all is well because of Case Western Reserve University wireless network, but home pretty sucks. And more in my neighborhood than others.

Good night BCT

Good night BCT

Too late, goodnight all!
Christine

Your serious no tax on Yachts but there is a boat tax? Maybe the front pagers can take down Arnold after we get Healthcare. Nail the lid on the coffin so to speak I bet his wife plans to get back on the news.

Nite BC

AMEN.

That says a lot, ES. Although not all docs are quite as complicit as your commenter suggests, too many are. It’s not always intentional, in many cases it’s unthinking.

Night Chris, my stupid computer locked up.

Thank you for sharing!

ought oh torches and pitch forks on the horizon… maybe even the guillotine for a heads up situation??

Good night CE (are you all back in the states now?)

And Hiya Margot.

Nite Chris

yep they buy them out of state and keep them out for a bit then bring them back and nope no taxes,,, but do that with a car or small boat and yep they want their money before you can get it registered!!

Hi ES and everyone.

Call me slow, but I am coming to understand WHY this is all working out the way it is. It’s the framing, and it’s pussyfoot framing by the Dems.

What the Dems say: we need to change the healthcare system.

Insurance Lobby says: It’s not only tilted towards profiteers, it’s guaranteed to tilt to profiteers, until you make us do something different. Hah.

Dems: NO!

Insurance Lobby (plus Blue Dogs): Yep. Suck it.

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Note there is no real audible, much less loud FUCK YOU!

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Dems: (mewl)

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(Jane Hamsher rides in with whip) Damn you! Frikking do your job! represent your people, dumbass!

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Attention is paid. Enough? Don’t know yet.

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[Galvinization occurs. People become pissed off.]

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Stay tuned for the next episode of BLOG VERSUS BOG! DON’T LET THE MF’RS GET YOU DOWN! CALL AND BITCH, MIGHTILY!

Why would he do that, there are still poor people, students and children to fuck over.

It is where we are headed sooner or later one 20% who has lost his home will get his buddies together and get the local bank branch manager.
I expect Glen Beck and O’Reily to denounce any connection with those Rogues of course. But that will only be the beginning because those guys will tell the rest of the Tea Baggers that the Corporate wing of the GOP still has money.

From way back, it’s “Tenderly”

Sounds kinda like Kennedy.

Isn’t he term limited so if he were smart he would think about his kids future’s in politics?

It would take a whole lot of angry people willing to be very rude, in their critters face… and spending money on ads and what not.

Just the fact 75 percent of the people want this change and yet 75 percent or more of elected folks are flat out denying it says all we need to know.

Yes, thank heavens he is. I don’t think his children would enter politics. He basically ruined it for them. I’d love to kick every single asshole who voted for the recall the hell out of the state. People didn’t like some of the decisions davis made but he sure the hell didn’t drive our economy into the toilet.

tbsa do we have anyone good to replace arnold?

Hiya, pups.

busy house cleaning today – getting ready for a big AK bloggers party here on Sunday, the day Mooselini abdicates at the Governor’s picnic in Fairbanks. We’ll be covering the Gov’s picnic in Wasilla on Friday, and in Anchorage on Sunday, possibly with rallies.

Mickey Mouse would be better than the terminator!!

Concur – but I think there’s a LOT of people willing to be rude. On the right side of the issue, as we see there’s a lot willing to be rude on the wrong side.

Pitchforks!

We need an anthem or something. [Iknow, weak, but..] Some rallying force that makes it impossible NOT to pass a public option that’s worth a damn.

Stray thought

A) do we have so much crime in America because of the difference between the rich and the poor and of course the lack of healthcare, education etc that saves the rich money so they can be so rich.
b) Or does having huge amounts of guns and a huge disparity between the rich and the poor plus a lack of healthcare education etc explain it?
C) The people in other countries are just favored by God?
(just trying to explode the Shinning City on a Hill crowd Fundies logic circuits?)

Sarah vs Bobby just who does talk better?

Hey ET, A friend of mine parents have been in AK this summer. They caught and sent some so called “white ” salmon to Arkansas. Any special way you have of preparing this rare treat?

Yeah agreed but I’d prefer a good Blue America person:)

they have brain circuits??? ya gotta be kidding me!! whoda thunk!

Here’s my hillbilly protesters kit. *s*

by white salmon do you mean winter King?

But yer broom ain’t on fire! What the hell!?!?!

Ok thats a serious hole in my plan…still the intent was good:)

Hi dropping bye. Sounds like everyone is in good health. I running up and down hills now, while my wrist heal. The leg is almost healed. The pump feels good 4 to 8 miles a day now. Hope you are getting a little healthexercise. Sounds like ES is tearing up the lake with his kayak. Nice.

Make sure Sarah gets an appropriate send-off. She deserves a class act.

I have no idea. Hearing all of this second hand from tourists.

Got a match? /s

From Jane:

What would you choose – going on vacation or passing health care reform?

That is the choice facing the House of Representatives, who are nearing a vote on historic health reform legislation but are scheduled to go on vacation at the end of next week.

The choice is fairly obvious: the House should keep working until they pass a health reform bill – health care is more important than vacation.

Click here to sign the petition and ask the House to stay in session to pass health care instead of going on vacation.

Does anyone have any idea why she really left yet? I’m starting to think that she’s a Quiter just might explain it.

Good evening BB.. Off to the farmers market and a few miles of paddling in the a.m. Glad you are feeling better, amigo.

some Cow pies would be perfect!!

Cripes you know how Reagan and Bush took vacations this one is no contest for the GOPers.

Hey BB you going to make it for the meetup??

I don’t know what “white salmon” is, and I’ve lived here 36 years and have caught about a million salmon from all over.

sitting down to dinner right now of Red (sockeye) salmon, freshly made pesto, garden salad and Guenoc petite sarah. Back in a bit…

Somebody bring a boom box and blast ‘Barracuda’ over distorted speakers.

I have yet to see any reason why she decided to become a quitter.

Just remember it being described that way (whiter meat than usual salmon). Also as quite the rare catch.

But I know fisherman and their tales… may have been pulling the tourists leg a little.

Much as I love salmon, I am looking forward to the halibut much more.

Wait farm raised salmon loses its pink color right does Alaska have salmon farms I assume for export?

Dude, that’s a flyturd in the scheme of things.

Check Out Deep Capture.

Then, Check Out Mark Mitchell’s Report.

Takes a week to read it all, know yer busy now, but it links it all, with thread and needle. *G*

Book it for reading later . . . this stuff will simply bury you in the reality of the corruption we live under our corporate fuedalist lords . . *sigh*

Lots of people say she’s in a great position to make big bucks.

From Jane:

What would you choose – going on vacation or passing health care reform?
That is the choice facing the House of Representatives, who are nearing a vote on historic health reform legislation but are scheduled to go on vacation at the end of next week.

Jane is assuming the GOP has morals and the Dems a spine. Still 76% approval should give them Dems a spine and make the GOP think twice.

Has anyone actually seen Jane Hamsher’s birth certificate?

No but her delivery doctor said….

Wingnut welfare book sure, But can she handle a daily radio or tv show? Guest Pundit like Pat Buchanan might work but unless the signal from Alaska is good….that means she’s coming here, New York or California is my guess.
I see some angry FDLers.

She’s French!

Well, that explains everything!

On that last note time to bail out..
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I sure hope the chute opens this time… those packers were trying out some of Humboldt’s finest after the last jump *g*

Nity nite Pups

White King Salmon
http://culinaryfool.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A7D1373D92F448FA!490.entry
FunnyWheelieDiva

No. Google Ivory Salmon or White King Salmon.
See me at 108
FWDiva

Niters nahant.., I’m out as well

Good night fire dog patriots.

Night, Nahant!
FWDiva

oh thank you!

If the GOP keeps bringing up birth certificates I want to see Bush, Sarah, and McCain retake their college finals. Heck give them 6 months to study I still think there is no way any of them could have passed Community College.
Damm Hack Diploma mills they bring down the value of everyone’s Diploma. Why stay in school if Highschool drop outs who watch the Daily Show and read a book every 2 months are better informed than the GOP leadership.

Night ES

nite Nahant:)

Nite ES

Adios ES – sleep well

White kings are touted as a milder, more delicate fish when compared to their redder counterparts.

“They do taste different,” Southall said. “They’re richer in taste. You can definitely tell the difference. I love ‘em.”

Research has shown that there are no significant differences in muscle compositions of moisture, protein or lipid.

“Some people swear they’re better, and some people swear they’re worse,” Rice said. “Nutritional analysis shows there’s no difference between the two. Most scientific people say there’s no difference, besides the color.”

http://www.hotel-online.com/Ne…..eKing.html

milder, more delicate fish

They’re richer in taste.

Sounds a bit contradictory but I’m not a cook.

Scratch that I actually cook stuff for me that I would never think of sharing with strangers. And its not just the excessive use of peppers its a creative use of leftovers that would make Lovecraft Blanche.

According to information leaked to the local press about the talks, the US will have access to three bases in Colombia to be used for antinarcotics surveillance flights. The agreement being negotiated may raise the number of uniformed US military personnel, but not above the current limit of 800, according to sources in the US embassy in Bogota. But Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega calls the US military presence in Colombia a “threat” to neighbouring Venezuela, led by left-wing President Hugo Chavez, a critic of the US and sometime foe of Uribe.

Chavez said during a televised cabinet meeting that he had ordered a review of Venezuela’s relations with Colombia in reaction to Uribe’s plan to increase the number of US troops. Ecuadorian Defence Minister Javier Ponce said an enhanced US presence in neighboring Colombia would be “worrying”. Ecuador is a leftist ally of Chavez.

Ecuador broke diplomatic ties with Colombia after a raid in March last year in which the Colombian military bombed a guerrilla camp on Ecuador’s side of the border, killing a top leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=82110

Next war?

Back from dinner.

Salmon farms are illegal in Alaska.

Eric LeBaron was freed eight days after his abduction. His kidnappers simply told him to go home. But soon after, another member of the community, Meredith Romney, a 72-year-old bishop related to former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, was taken captive.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32…..gton_post/

Did Mitt and Glen Beck paint a target on every Mormon in Mexico with their anti Mexican comments? Did Mitt paint a target on own family? Yes.
Learn the lesson of the immigrant boys when you are a stranger in a strange land you are held responsible for every criminal act real and imagined done by your fellow immigrants and your countrymen back home.
I expect Mitt and Glen to start a new wave of anti immigrant protest soon.

Why Sarah never cared about pollution Bristol bay is the place the gold mines are going to dump their waste?
If the gold mines use the cyanide process to mine gold there will be a lot less Salmon.

Q. How does cyanide affect living organisms?

A. Cyanide is highly toxic. Cyanide is the killing agent used in gas chambers. Cyanide poisoning can occur through inhalation, ingestion, and skin or eye contact. One teaspoon of a 2% solution can kill a person. In general, fish and other aquatic life are killed by cyanide concentrations in the microgram per liter (part per billion) range, whereas bird and mammal deaths result from cyanide concentrations in the milligram per liter (part per million) range. A cyanide spill in Romania on January 30th, 2000, killed thousands of tons of fish and made a significant portion of the Tisza River watershed undrinkable and hostile to aquatic life. Evidence shows that cyanide compounds linger in affected plant and fish tissues and can persist in the environment for long periods of time.

Q. How is cyanide used in mining?

A. Cyanide-leaching allows mining companies to reopen and expand mines containing what were previously unprofitable mineral reserves. There are two types of cyanide-leaching processes used by the modern mining industry. Vat-leaching, where extracted ore is combined with cyanide in vats, and heap-leaching, which involves:

Digging enormous pits (often larger than some cities) and piling the extracted ore into heaps that would cover many football fields several hundred feet high;
Spraying a cyanide solution over the heaps so that the cyanide trickles down through the ore, bonding with microscopic flecks of gold or silver, whereupon a heap pad (a rubber blanket), underlying the heap, channels the solution into a holding pond; and,
Stripping the solution of the precious minerals, recovering the used cyanide, then respraying the cyanide solution over the heap.
In the extraction of copper, nickel, cobalt and molybdenum, cyanide is used during the milling and concentration processes.

Q. What are the dangers of using cyanide?

A. Cyanide reacts with many other elements and is known to breakdown into several hundred different cyanide-related compounds. Despite the risks posed by these breakdown compounds, mines are not required to monitor or report these chemicals.

http://www.serconline.org/mining/faq.html

I’ve only read about Alaska and open pit mining and the dangers but no mention of Cyanide. Cyanide takes open pit mining to a whole new level of death.
Will Cyanide be used in gold mining in Alaska probably and yes they had a business plan to that effect ahead of time.
Anyone watching the Gold industry would no this there is no way Sarah’s mining people would not know this.

Despite the risks posed by these breakdown compounds, mines are not required to monitor or report these chemicals.

Money quote and I bet Sarah says she never knew!

Alaska called Bristol Bay that’s home to one of the planet’s largest wild-salmon populations. The project is so risky that it had been languishing on the corporate back burner until Carroll seized upon it — and so controversial that she has picked up a new nickname: Cyanide Cynthia, an allusion to the toxic chemical used to extract gold.

http://www.fastcompany.com/mag…..field.html

Sarah knew the CEO leading this is a woman GIRL POWER GOP STLYE!/s

Next question where is the proposed mine in relation to cities, streams and the underground water table?

Sorry – phone calls!

Cyanide is already used in a lot of mining in Alaska. I am totally against the Pebble Mine idea, and am on the board of an organization that keeps a close eye on all local mining and mineral extraction, from the most toxic, to plain old gravel pits.

This type of project can’t be done safely with earthquakes even if you spend a ton of money and no they won’t spend that kind of money.
A look at their plans would be interesting I’ve always liked Sci Fi.

Cyanide next to a Salmon stream on this scale we will be talking tons of waste and it will leak just give it time.

Pebble won’t happen.

The first woman CEO of one of the world’s biggest mining companies is pushing a wildly controversial project. At stake: a half-trillion dollars’ worth of minerals, millions of wild salmon, and a new corporate strategy for a tarnished industry.

http://www.fastcompany.com/mag…..field.html

To get a half Trillion dollars worth of stuff out of a mine you need an estimated how much Cyanide?
Millions hundreds of millions of gallons I wonder how much of a percentage of that is not reclaimed and recycled in a normal mine?

Good stuff like this worries me.

Nite Folks:)