The great novelist William Faulkner famously wrote, "The past is never dead. It’s not even past."
With all the controversy over the use of Survival, Evasion, Escape, Resistance, or SERE, psychologists in the interrogation of "high-value detainees" — most recently detailed in a fascinating melange of an article in last Sunday’s Washington Post — everyone seems to assume that terrible chapter is a thing of the past. Recent documentation that has come to my attention suggests otherwise.
The reasons no one until now has noticed the current activities of SERE psychologists in offensive military operations are that, one, no one has cared to look, and two, a specious narrative ending in the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) report, "Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody," released last April, that appeared to conclude the episode was over. In its Executive Summary, the SASC concluded that, in September 2004, "JFCOM [U.S. Joint Forces Command] issued a formal policy stating that support to offensive interrogation operations was outside JPRA’s charter." And that, presumably, was that.
JPRA, or Joint Personnel Recovery Agency, operates under U.S. Joint Forces Command, and is responsible for "for shaping and enabling the planning, preparation and coordination of personnel recovery for DoD." Its mission is subordinated to the preparation of U.S. military personnel for capture, and organizing "tactics, techniques and procedures (TTP) to assist the services in conducting joint recovery operations." The SERE program is supposed to train personnel for what to expect if they are captured, and prepare them for the onerous rigors of brutal captivity and torture.
The SASC report essentially tells the story of how JPRA and SERE went off the rails after 9/11. It presents a compelling documentary narrative of how Bush administration officials, eager to get information from prisoners newly captured in the "war on terror," for operational needs, or to manufacture intel to back up their plans to invade Iraq, or other nefarious purposes, found in JPRA/SERE an ambitious group of individuals eager to promote themselves and expand the work of their agency. Elsewhere, I have documented that some of these folk also were motivated by money.
The SASC narrative demonstrates, with sundry gaps, how SERE training for captivity was "reverse-engineered" into a torture program that spread throughout the various theatres of U.S. military and intelligence activities, from the CIA to DoD prison operations at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere. The narrative describes both the support, and sometimes resistance, of various officers within the military bureaucracy to the spread of SERE offensive techniques.
But while the Executive Summary concludes with the spanking of JPRA and various officers for allowing JPRA and SERE to operate outside their charter — indeed, this straining against the mandated charter of JPRA is a central theme of the SASC report — and concludes SERE was shut out of "offensive" operations –the documentary portion of the report presents a different, more nuanced, ending. To better understand the importance of the latter, we must first consider how we know that SERE psychologists, in 2009, are back in the "offensive operations" business.
SERE Returns to the Battlefield
An extraordinary piece of information lies buried in a June 15, 2009 Air Force Special Operations Command Instruction (48-101) on "Aeromedical Special Operations." This document ostensibly "establishes Mission Qualification and Mission Ready clinical medical training requirements for AFSOC operational medical personnel," and notes "compliance with this publication is mandatory."
While the Instruction appears to apply only to U.S. Air Force support by medical personnel, Section 5.7, in the chapter for "Medical Operations," presents something totally different. This section describes the functions of Special Forces Psychologists (SOFPSY), who are composed of "those SERE and Aviation qualified psychologists assigned to AFSOC operational units." These psychologists are now instructed to provide "psychological oversight of battlefield interrogation and detention," among other functions.
The Instruction details the functions of Special Operations Psychologists, and it’s hard to believe they are talking about medical issues here. An in-depth look at what the document actually says is in order (bold emphases added):
5.5.2.1. The primary responsibility of the SOFPSY is to support AFSOC operational units and missions through battlefield interventions and consultation, and in-garrison preparation for, and reconstitution from, combat operations. They do this by providing psychological consultation and services to include:
5.5.2.1.1. Unit and individual performance enhancement.
5.5.2.1.2. Unit climate assessments.
5.5.2.1.3. Personnel selection programs.
5.5.2.1.4. Psychological oversight for SERE training.
5.5.2.1.5. Special training programs.
5.5.2.1.6. Post-mishap and combat trauma recovery and return to duty.
5.5.2.1.7. Reintegration of recovered personnel, after isolation in hostile territory.
5.5.2.1.8. Human factors expertise for mishap investigations and prevention activities.
5.5.2.1.9. Consultation to Influence Operations.
5.5.2.1.10. Adversary profiling.
5.5.2.1.11. Psychological oversight of battlefield interrogation and detention.
5.5.2.2. In garrison, SOFPSYs are usually assigned to an operations unit at the Group level. When deployed, SOFPSYs serve in unit or battle-staff positions to facilitate their consultation and liaison roles. Most services provided by the SOFPSY fall into the categories of consultation and training, and are not clinical treatment interventions. When airmen require clinical treatment services, the SOFPSY primarily serves as liaison between commanders, unit personnel and the appropriate medical service provider. Typically, they will refer individuals needing clinical mental health evaluation and/or medical treatment to medical treatment facilities.
Special Operations Command clearly doesn’t intend to use SERE psychologists for medical or clinical purposes. This blurring of medical and operational roles in a memorandum meant to document the roles of medical personnel is typical of the way in which the torture program, which utilizes medical and psychological personnel, has tried to hide its primary activities.
The long SASC report concludes with a section entitled "U.S. Joint Forces Command Issues Policy Guidance For JPRA ‘Offensive’ Support." It provides a narrative reconstruction of events at odds with the presentation in its Executive Summary. As noted, the entire SASC narrative is about reining in a JPRA agency that (mostly willingly) violated its charter, albeit wooed by others to do so. The Executive Summary ends with a chastened JPRA. The final section of the SASC report itself concludes somewhat differently.
In the September 2004 memo that supposedly put the kibosh on SERE activities, which are typically limited to "defensive" recovery operations, JFCOM Chief of Staff, Major General Soligan, wrote:
Recent requests from OSD [Office of the Secretary of Defense] and the Combatant Commands have solicited JPRA support based on knowledge and their application to U.S. strategic debriefing and interrogation techniques. These requests, which can be characterized as "offensive" techniques include, but are not limited to, activities designed not to increase one’s resistance capabilities to interrogation techniques but rather intended to instruct personnel, for the purpose of gathering of information, on how to break down another’s ability to withstand interrogation … The use of resistance to interrogation knowledge for "offensive" purposes lies outside the roles and responsibilities of JPRA.
That might have been an end to it, but there was a loophole, one that the SASC Executive Summary fails to mention. JPRA could still use their expertise for "offensive" support if "vetted through proper legal and policy channels." That meant, per the memo (emphasis added):
JPRA personnel will not conduct any activities without specific approval from the USJFCOM Commander, Deputy Commander, or the Chief of Staff. Deviations from the JPRA chartered mission of this nature are policy decisions that will be forwarded to the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) for action. JPRA will continue to direct all requests for external support through USJFCOM and refrain from providing any support or information unless specifically directed by USJFCOM as outlined above.
Hence, after all that was learned about mission creep, overstepping chartered mandates, the pressure of other agencies and politicians upon JPRA and SERE, and even the misgivings of some at JPRA itself, the new policy allowed for "deviations." Even more noteworthy, such "deviations of JPRA "roles and responsibilities" would run through the office of the Secretary of Defense. In 2009, that office would be run by Bush’s former SecDef, and now Barack Obama’s SecDef, Robert Gates.
"… not even past"
There are three conclusions I immediately draw from this turn of events. Others may find more to comment upon.
One, the specious short-version narrative from the SASC report, and its failure to put recommendations to its conclusions on the use of SERE torture, put everyone to sleep.
Two, not much has changed since the bad, old days of Bush and Cheney. SERE psychologists are still used in the field much as Mitchell and Jessen were, to construct psychological profiles on prisoners, and "consult" on interrogation plans. What else could this be for but instruction on "how to break down another’s ability to withstand interrogation," because that is what SERE psychologists are trained to do? It’s what we’ve seen already they do in practice.
The entire episode narrated in the SASC report becomes then a tale of a military command (USJFCOM) asserting command dominance over a subordinate agency, not a story of how SERE torture was stopped.
The "experiment" of using SERE support for interrogations continues, most likely in Afghanistan, whose new commander is Army Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, former chief of Joint Special Forces Command, who bears command responsibility for the use of SERE interrogators and techniques to conduct torture at Camp Nama in Iraq (and possibly elsewhere).
Three, with McChrystal in Afghanistan, and with Robert Gates at the Office of Secretary of Defense — and given premises one and two above — one can charitably conclude that truly not much has changed under President Barack Obama when it comes to military operations. The prohibition on the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the Obama administration leaves plenty of room for the use of other, SERE-based techniques, and leaves intact the core, pre-SERE torture program which relies on isolation, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation or overload, and promulgation of fears to break down prisoners. The latter program, along with a light prohibition on only those drugs that cause "long-term damage," remains at the heart of the military’s current Army Field Manual.
At a minimum, someone should be asking President Obama or Secretary of Defense Gates at their next press conference why they have made an exception to allow SERE psychologists, implicated in torture from Guantanamo to Afghanistan, to oversee special operations battlefield interrogations and detentions. I hope I don’t have to wait a long time.



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Thank you for this update.
Terrorism a a BS term for criminal activity by non state persons or groups. If you catch them after the fact it’s criminal and they should be charged under criminal statutes.
If you catch them in the planning stages, it conspiracy to commit criminal activity and you charge them in a court and present the evidence of the conspiracy.
What’s all this cloak and dagger BS and scare the public more than they have to be.
Let’s have the trials. Let’s see the evidence.
If the glove does not fit, you must acquit.
Good lord, when will this nightmare ever frikking END?
But nice catch Jeff.
What happened to the fellows in Florida who were supposed to be terrorists.., the gang that couldn’t shoot straight?
Most of these terrrorists are created by CIA and other security agencies as a means to have a plant inside some suspected operation which usually doesn’t exist but was inspired by the plant and his “handlers”.
We are being jerked by the national security state more than we will ever know.
I thought Bryant Welch had a great column over at Huffington Post making much these same points, and explaining in more detail how use of fear has been a central component of the control the pro-war faction of the government has used exerts over public discourse.
See The American Psychological Association and Torture: The Day the Tide Turned
(H/T Stephen Soldz)
Amen-the terrorists are within….
Of course when you torture and abuse a prisoner if he ever escapes he is now going to take his revenge… and if he doesn’t his relatives and friends will do. It grows virally – very smart of the intelligence community which give a whole new meaning to intelligence.
If we don’t have enough criminals to catch.. torture and abuse some innocents or even miscreants and grow some more. Soon you have a world wide problem of people who hate the way the US treats people.
Notice how outraged the USA is that the Taliban has captured one of our soldiers who is sitting there eating and looks well cared for and healthy… a far cry from Abu Graib or Gitmo. Imagine if they did to ours what we do to theirs in Abu Graib or Gitmo?
Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
APA got itself into deep doo with the DOD.
What sort of ethics do these people have?
First, I find it puzzling that in all of the publicity and controversy regarding water boarding, no one has noted it’s depiction in the S.E.R.E section of the GI Jane movie. Seems to me to be a pretty realistic rendition.
That aside, as a Ph.D. psychologist of thirty years experience, PsyOps finger-prints were all over Abu Ghraib from the beginning. And, indeed there is an ongoing, though not particularly rigorous, debate within the American Psychological Association on the role of psychologists in interrogation. It is worth noting that prosecutors work very hard to keep out from in front of juries much of the research in recent years done by psychologists, because it raises questions about the validity of memories, and especially eyewitness accounts. Similarly, there is a large body of research also having direct bearing on the psychology of interrogations, most of which testifying to the fact that softer sorts of interrogation yield more accurate information than “enhanced” methods. So, all the better this information should come out. For myself, I do believe there is a legitimate place in the interrogation process for psychologists to have input. The problem is insulating the clinical judgment from being “part of the team,”, the latter of which in such circumstances almost always contaminates clinical judgment.
Why are we talking about this nonsense, don’t you know Shuster just said dumb ass on teevee.
The top levels of the Ethics office at APA have been totally compromised by their agreement to support “national security psychology”, and by their support for the torture program during the Bush years and beyond.
An upcoming article I plan will directly examine very specific unethical instances that involved the APA ethics apparatus.
Regarding anyone we know?
I don’t know if any here have ever heard of the Stanford Research Institute paper from the ’70’s entitled “The Changing Images of Man.”
It is a blueprint for the behavorial modification of society,in general.MUCH of what we are today experiencing is delineated in this document’s recommendations.
In this same time frame was a “Prison Experiment” at Stanford,the result of which became the basis of the book “The Lucifer Effect.”
Here’s a snippet of a book review of “The Lucifer Effect.”
Is it coincidence that Rice and Rumsfeld went directly to Chairs at Stanford,upon leaving the White House?
Texts for torturers
From Stanford to Abu Ghraib – what turns ordinary people into oppressors? Martha Nussbaum Recommend?
Philip Zimbardo
THE LUCIFER EFFECT
How good people turn evil
In August 1971, the Stanford University psychologist Philip Zimbardo and his team of investigators selected twenty-four young men to participate in their study of the psychology of imprisonment. The men, only a few of whom were students, had answered an ad placed in both the student newspaper and the local town daily that offered subjects fifteen dollars per day for two weeks to participate in a study of “prison life”. The successful applicants were randomly assigned to the roles of prisoner and guard, fifty-fifty. Prisoners were to stay in the prison for the entire two weeks; guards served in eight-hour shifts, three groups per day. Thus began the now famous Stanford Prison Experiment.
Lots of stuff I’ve been reading lately, House of War by James Carroll being one, that points out that enemies without instantaneously morph into enemies within. Can’t have one, without the o-o-oth-i-er.
The planned collapse of America
Dec 7, 2007 … Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. … Changing Images of Man predicts an American economic collapse and a …
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/p…..2715.shtml – Cached – Similar
The jackass who refused to deploy because Obama isn’t really CIC.
That’s great. The guy who refuses is an idiot but is probably just a coward.
I guess I now have a reason to watch “G.I. Jane” (who’d a thunk it) ;-)
As for your conditional support of psychologist participation in interrogations, here’s what you wrote (my emphasis):
Precisely. So even if one can make an argument for a “legitimate place” on utilitarian grounds, even there the argument falls short, as the circumstances undermine the use of “clinical judgment.”
But I think a stronger, more ethical argument was made by Byrant Welch in an article I link to @5 above:
You may say, well, not all interrogation is torture. Perhaps a better example would be an examination of the Squillacote case, which involved an FBI psychologist’s use of their expertise to entrap a suspect who had done nothing wrong (except be a former CP sympathizer). A good examination of that case can be found here. (Ironically, for those who get the irony, the case is presented by Gerry Koocher.)
Thanks for this, Jeff. Given his history, you know that if McChrystal is involved, he will break all the rules and then cover it up while claiming to be an American hero. From your find, they have given this monster far too much to work with.
Articles on Torture
Jan 13, 2009 … APA ON-LINE http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct04/goodbad.html. Martha Nussbaum, “Texts for Torturers” (book review of Zimbardo, …
webpages.acs.ttu.edu/wschalle/articles_on_torture.htm – Cached – Similar
I’d like to see interrogation which is not intimidating and bordering on psychological torture.
Well,The American Psychological Association(APA) has deleted the link I provided.
Here’s another:
Texts for torturers – Times Literary Supplement
Oct 17, 2007 … Philip Zimbardo THE LUCIFER EFFECT How good people turn evil 288pp.
entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and…/article2677344.ece – Similar
McChrystal-Meth?
Blue Texan is upstairs!
Chris Matthews Forces Birther Congressman to Admit Obama’s a Citizen
Aye, but Faulkner also wrote
That is certainly true of the torture crew. Nice post Jeff.
Heh. Good one.
Zimbardo is a very interesting man and psychologist. He appears to play both sides of the fence in the interrogations controversy. He was president of APA during the crucial year 2002 (crucial when it comes to the whole interrogations-torture scandal). His career largely rests on his famous “experiment”, which is taught, btw, at SERE schools, I believe, as an example of behavioral degeneration among interrogators and jailors. Today, Zimbardo is at the Pacific Graduate School of Psychology, and also teaches at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey.
Together with James N. Breckenridge, Ph.D.at PGSP, Zimbardo is planning to publish “forthcoming texts on aspects of psychology and homeland security” (according to a page at Breckenridge PGSP site, now scrubbed, but can be caught on cache).
His mind has to be warped on something. Just a guess.
Langley could place that Faulkner quote in their lobby, instead of the facetious invocation “The Truth Shall Set You Free.” In understated irony, the latter is on the floor (I believe), so it can be walked over 24 hours a day (and night).
The Nussbaum review “Texts for Torturers” is quite informative and thorough in its analysis-including Zimbardo’s participation as prison warden-diluting the clinical aspects of the study,in her opinion.
What amazes me most about the whole SERE thing is that the CIA always tortures. The fact that they seem to have to reverse engineered SERE suggestes that there is NO institutional memory. Now I know there’s been a lot of turnover in the CIA in recent years, but to forget how they have always tortured, and to have to reinvent it, boggles my mind.
I will check it out. Thanks!
The CIA and military has been studying the effects of SERE techniques for years, way before 9/11. It’s yet another article I have coming down the pike. But you could Google “Charles Morgan SERE” if you wish to get a head start.
That makes more sense. What we need is a comprehensive historical investigation, and timeline (calling emptywheel) about all the torture activities at CIA. I’ve picked up bits & pieces from the dozen books I’ve read about CIA, where torture is mentioned among many other sins. I’d like to see all the torture stuff collected in one tome. It’d probably be pretty big.
Please check out the link for “The Changing Images of Man”,also.
VERY SCARY AND TRUE!
Boy ain’t that the truth. Did you see this yesterday? The CIA couldn’t spell truth if Vanna White spotted them the full compliment of letters.
They developed a strategy to revitalize America’s motivational images, symbols and institutions, outlining five separate approaches to the problem, describing the pluses and the pitfalls of each, according to their effects upon society. These approaches are defined as “restorative, simulative, manipulative, persuasive and facilitative.” Restoration of crumbling icons works best in the early stages of societal transformation (revitalization cycle). The simulative strategy introduces new ideas, whenever the collapse of the old order becomes apparent. The manipulative strategy seeks to limit individual freedoms. Persuasive propaganda phase is to be coupled with proven mind control techniques, to keep down the social upheaval and shape the emerging image.
“No doubt existing consciousness-changing, behavior-shaping, subliminal persuasion, and other conditioning techniques could be used to accomplish some sort of transformation of sobering proportions (we ought to be able to be more effective than Nazi Germany). After previously citing Nazi reinvigoration of the Germanic icons and ideals.”
The transforming revitalization process mirrors the psychiatric process of leading a patient through a psychotic break and the restructuring of his life, but on a national scale.
OT and way cool.
Rachel reports that Watergate was up for auction and there were no bids. I think I have an ashtray from my one stay there (don’t ask). Sigh. Means it’s not worth a penny.
Now that’s a fascinating case study of CIA obstruction of justice. Reading it, I was glad to see, even when the issue appeared to be the misstatements of a single attorney, that there was accountability, even disbarment, for such activities. How I wish that were the case in my field, where ethical violations by any military psychologist is dismissed out of hand, or buried under endless procedures, by APA.
You may be interested to know that a case of torture involving a non-CIA agency is heading this way, one which has the same flavor of needless vendetta that appears in the Horn case, and it goes back pre-9/11, too… except it’s not about the CIA, but an agency that heretofore has been portrayed as one of the “good guys.” (And if I meant to say FBI, I would have.)
OT (and on my own thread), but this bombshell Mark Benjamin story just came out at Salon.com: Did U.S. forces watch Afghan massacre?
no, not everyone.
Arthur Silbur, from 2006:
you genuinely did find a few atoms re-arranged, deep in the operations manuals – but up higher for all to see there are Gates and McChrystal, retained and promoted to keep doing what they had been doing.
See the following Opinion column in the IRCT journal Torture.
Psychology and U.S. psychologists in torture and war in the Middle East
Gerald Gray, LCSW and Alessandra Zielinski, researcher
At here, scroll down (their .pdf enabling is a little off).
http://www.irct.org/publicatio…..-2006.aspx
Gerry Gray has contended for quite some time that the Lucifer effect at Abu Ghraib was deliberate, and that those giving orders were quite aware of the psychological conditions they were creating for their low level MP jailers. He contends that Phil Zimbardo goes back and forth on it, but never denies that this happened, he doesn’t like to speak publicly about it because he still has ties to the military. Zimbardo himself runs through the whole thought about the Schlesinger report in some articles, sometimes he stops and says it’s about sloppy command and no one minding the store, sometimes he hints that they knew.
Is that the same Arthur Silber that Chris Floyd quotes so frequently over at Empire Burlesque?
Silber pulls no punches ,neither does Floyd.
That’s why EB has been a favourite of mine for a LONG time.
same guy!
I read them regularly, as well – stern stuff – bitter medicine for bitter times, but absolutely vital.
current actions of the Obama admin certainly validate their points of view – including of course the continuation of SERE torture and the expanded Black prison gulag in Afghanistan.
a tip of the hat to you, Gitcheegumee!
THANK YOU,Ondelette.
Have you read the 5 part series by Ernest Canning over at BradBlog?
The history of CIA torture -extremely interesting.KUBARK is prominently placed in this series.
Well worth a jog over there!!
Spork, it’s a real honor.
And coincidentally, I was singing the praises of Empire Burlesque , here, at FDL just yesterday.
Yes, well I do make that point as well. I think readers will benefit from the Silber link.
Can anyone imagine if Eugene McCarthy had been elected president and then decided to keep on Robert McNamara as SecDef? Not that Obama was any kind of peace candidate, a la McCarthy, but still… how long a leash will the Democrats put on this kind of perfidy? Silber, I’m sure would say, as long as humanly possible. Me? I’m not in the business of prediction. I just want to push thing to change now. I’m an old guy (sort of) and would like to live to see real change happen.
Jeff, I think you are conflating and confusing roles here. There is much difference amongst being a psychotherapist, a psychological evaluator, and a consultant. I have done all three. None of these require abandonment of empathy. They are just different roles.
Are you suggesting that psychological science should not play a role in interrogation? Or are you suggesting that interrogation in and of itself is somehow inhumane and not OK? I am well aware of entrapment, and that is why I referenced the literature on memory and especially eye-witness accounts, which you ignored. I have given my share of expert witnessing–all for the defense. (Why for the defense? Prosecutors have never asked me for my expert opinion.)
I have had numerous communications with Dr. Koocher, who is the sort of good-guy, don’t want to piss anyone off sort of APA president. I have also had numerous communications with Phillip Zimbardo. I have found him to be thoughtful and compassionate.
I am on your side in this discussion; I think the issues are complex and that complexity needs to be acknowledged.
Just curious, Jeff. Have you ever given expert testimony and endured withering cross-examination?
Bye now.
DM
“how long a leash will the Democrats put on this kind of perfidy?”JK
Hey, apparently Obama is so open-minded that his brains are sliding out,as he bends over backwards to please his handlers.
I’m going off to read the BradBlog series right now. You might be interested as well in a longish article I posted at The Public Record, which covers a lot of this early history: Top U.S. Behavioral Scientists Studied Survival Schools to Create Torture Program Over 50 Years Ago:
Thanks for your interest and responses to my posts.
I look forward to reading the recommended article above.
Thanks again for an enlightening interlude,to all.
a pleasure to meet you, Jeff.
your post devoted attention to both the small and large scale, I did not mean to imply one at the expense of the other.
1968, Eugene McCarthy, and the events of that era have many potent resonances with our times – like the old saying
‘history doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes!’
Pleasure is likewise, sporkovat. You should know that Empire Burlesque is one of my favorite reads. Chris Floyd really knows how to write, but when I read him, I can’t help but end up agreeing, and then I get depressed, because the point of view is so dark. Same with Silber. That’s why, I think, I put my energy in researching and articles, as it helps me feel that perhaps we can bring things to a tipping point, change consciousness, and begin the process of real, formative, and lasting change in this country. And if we do it in this country, then the whole world itself will change. But chained to a reactionary militaristic leadership that only wants to push for world dominance, well… positive change just doesn’t happen in a place like that.
What steps, I wonder, will have been taken by the professional associations to which these psychologists and other medical staff belong to discipline those involved or strike them off the rolls?
The document clearly implies, at a minimum, that their function is interrogation, not the medical treatment of prisoners. Which means that they will want to leave no marks and to keep these patients alive, but otherwise they are to do “whatever it takes” to get whatever information or fantasies these men, women and children have between their ears.
As an aside, I wonder how many of these medical practitioners have any first hand knowledge of or experience in or with Arabic, Islam, or the Middle East? Just asking.
Silber often references that he does what he does out of core of hope – let me see if I can find the link . . . .
well, couldn’t find it, but here is Silber on the subject of Robert LaFollette:
http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..t-and.html
my bold.
any politician who stepped up now, with guts like that, and took firm, authentic stands against the wars, the bailouts to wall street, and promised single payer – such a pol would coalesce massive loyalty and energy, and could be truly catalytic.
where are they?
Well, if I hadn’t endured withering cross-examination, your comment will have to come as close to that as I wish to be at the moment. (I have undergone cross-examination, but I don’t know if it was withering.)
You make a good point about the different roles that psychologists may play. All of them, though, are based on an understanding of the vulnerabilities (and strengths) that human beings have from a psychological standpoint. I do think that working for the government in roles that involve one in national security interrogations, even interrogations that are ostensibly non-coercive carry too many dangers, and no one has proposed any safeguards that would make them ethically safe, even after years of blunderbuss on the topic.
I’ll end with a quote for readers here from the American Psychological Associations’s General Principles from the Ethics Code:
…to protect the rights and welfare of persons or communities whose vulnerabilities impair autonomous decision making. — Like research subjects, or… prisoners.
Re Dr. Koocher, and the whole question of ethics and interrogation, may I invite you back here later in the week, or possibly the beginning of next week, when I will have a major article on this topic? I hope you’ll be here then, and I thank you for your comments today.
This underscores my belief that, in the face of our new President’s words to the contrary, where is the actual evidence that we are not continuing to abuse/torture our prisoners? Oh, that’s right, Americans don’t need evidence anymore, because we’ve turned into a nation of pussies and chicken shits afraid of our own shadows.
If we had ANY balls as a nation, we would have absolutely NO problem with releasing any detainees that were acquitted of charges, or those who were found to have been held for false reasons, into the United States. But NO, we have to hand them off and pay off other smaller countries that actually still have a pair of balls big enough to recognize that there is no such thing as perfect security in this world.
Great quote on La Follette.
As for the question of where these bold, uncompromising politicians are? Who knows. But I know one thing, no major political party would stand for such a man or woman. Instead we get dross, in most cases.
Did anyone see that liberal stalwart Barbara Boxer voted for continuation of the F-22 bomber, even as 16 or so Republican Senators finally helped some Democrats sink that boondoggle? Huff Post portrays it as a great victory. Hardly, as in the end it’s only a small item in the massive defense budget, and the fight was totally internal to clique politics and the need for corporate cash from defense industries.
Still, my point is how craven the dove Boxer really is. And this is an example of a politician with supposed integrity today.
excellent reporting jeff.
it’s incredible that they still are using psych “expertise” on the battlefield for interrogations. i guess they feel that if they use phrases with military type lingo and acronyms like SOFPSY or AFSOC, then we will assume there is some valid, legitimate reason for psychologists to be on the battlefield for interrogations that have nothing to do with torture.
aye – the F-22 – at least it hasn’t killed as many US Marines as the V-22 Osprey – but still, they should have just burned the money in $100 bills to heat Congressional hot tubs for all the good those things did or ever will do.
but hey Jeff, don’t lets be seen becoming such pals, because I’m the skunk at the tea party over at FDL for my consistent harping on the notion that 3rd party formations should not be so anathema for progressives.
just fair warning to ya, Pheonix Woman is always spearing me with quotes about how the Republicans funded the Green Party in Pennsylvania in 2004 and therefore, shut up Sporkie.
Please don’t omit Diane Sci Fi’s vote for the F-22. She’s equally integrity challenged.
Both have ties to the manufacturing defense industry, and their lobby.
Both are equally guilty.
Yes, Feinstein. I didn’t mention her because she doesn’t have the liberal credentials and reputation of Boxer, and her vote is more representative of her than not. But you are right to mention it.
And to Sporkie @60, well, I won’t worry too much about that. My guess is I’m well known already from my Valtin posts at Daily Kos. In any case, I see my role as strategically pushing the torture issue, as no issue more clearly leads to an assessment of how the U.S. state runs and is ruled, and no issue but torture stands as anathema to civilized norms as torture. Its long-term presence in U.S. society points like a dagger to the heart of the military-intel apparatus, as the tensions of being a torturing country and a democratic or progressive society cannot be resolved. Something must change. The challenge will someday be made, and then we can truly say we will be living in interesting times. The issue of political parties will sort itself out in the heat of events, no matter what I think about it now.
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great writing, off the cuff.
all the best to ya . . .
Well, Jeff,
You have quoted for folks the “aspirational” aspects of the APA code, which unfortunately, has no enforcement value, insofar as filing an ethics compliant. I am not saying that is right, but that is the fact of the matter.
OK, Jeff, I hit the wrong button and cut myself off.
Simple as this, Jeff, if you have never been subjected to intensive cross-examination, than you don’t really know whether you had your ducks in order. You have no idea of the cogency of your argument. Twice I have given expert testimony wherein the trial judge determined the state statute was unconstitutional; in one, the state supreme court, leaning heavily on my testimony,upheld the trial judge’s ruling.
Now, if you find this condescending, by all means. For thirty years now, I have been the only psychologist in Kansas who has publicly supported abortion and homosexual rights; little more than a year ago I gave testimony to the joint legislature session on behalf of Dr. Tiller and late abortion rights. And you have been doing, exactly, what?
So, I am one of those down here in the trenches trying to muck things out.
I’m glad you pointed this out. I was sort of hoping you (or somebody) would, because that’s precisely the problem. An organization that hasn’t the guts to stand for its own “aspirations” is not an organization I want any part of. It also helps me understand why they sold themselves so cheaply.
I don’t think we are enemies, aardvark, though we do disagree on the interrogations issue somewhat, it seems. I admire the fact you have courageously stood up for gay and women’s reproductive rights. I’m sure you have done other things equally admirable. I don’t understand how your cross-examination analogy has that much to do with the merits of my argument, which I wish you’d describe at greater length.
In any case, when I’ve appeared in court, it was to testify on behalf of torture victims who were threatened with deportation back to the country that persecuted them, to places they feared death, so if I had only a minute ethical bone in my body, I’d think I’d want my ducks in order prior to testifying on their behalf. In general I think I’ve done okay.
All the best in your work.
I just assumed everyone noticed that the SASC report sort of trailed out with everything still cranking along in the military torture program, JSOC split off with it’s own torture authorization and least three(?) other highly redacted interrogation programs authorized in addition to the “OGA” one supported by Mitchel Jessen …. with Bradbury on the horizon.
My operating assumption is that CIA is also rolled in with these military units and are getting around saying it’s a “CIA” program because it’s a compartmentalized military op. This idea is backed up by a 2006 Washington Post article I just happened across looking up some stuff on McChrystal. It is also hinted at in several of the more redacted sections of the SASC report.
A few (OT) notes on the SASC report; McChrystal and NAMA make a highly redacted appearance around pg. 159-164 (161 ish hits a bit on McChrystal). But this whole section of the report is puzzling when compared to other sources. According to the SASC report, McChrystal doesn’t take over JSOC until October 2003. Other reports have him taking control in September 2003. However, the previous commander (Dell Dailey) reportedly left the position in March 2003 … leaving an apparent six month gap in leadership at JOSC. Whoever held this post, refused to sign any paperwork regarding interrogation authorities – and his legal aides indicate it will be unlikely to find anything with his name on it. How is that even possible? It is also unclear if these authorizations were signed by McChrystal after he took command.
The whole section can be verified as relating to JSOC/Nama because of the close correlation between the SASC report and this HRW Report – that also indicates the level of abuse employed under McCrystal’s direct command well beyond January 2004 … something largely glossed over in the report.
Something else that seems to be undiscussed/unexplained is “Project 22b” created specifically to limit JPRA distribution of sensitive activities (pg 37). Col Moulton wrote that protecting information associated with these activities was “of paramount concern” … and a future congressional investigation was anticipated. This, to me, seems to almost be a statement of intent to mislead congress. When you couple that with the instance by Miller that “the use of false documents and reports” was one of 9 “techniques essential to mission success” (pg 114) – it really makes me wonder if we can even trust the records that were kept by military forces.
IMO, the CIA is a small piece of the torture puzzle. The military is the big daddy here. Another interesting thing to ponder is Carl Levin. He sits on both intel and armed services … how could he not know everything? And if he does, why would he support McCrystal as he did if he does not wholeheartedly agree with what occurred?
Sorry to spew on your thread a bit … kind of excited to see someone dust off the SASC report and look closer at the special forces. Really excellent post … look forward to your one on the APA.
Excellent post Jeff. Thank you so much for your efforts.
These are all excellent observations and comments. It’s great to know someone else out there is studying the SASC report with diligence. The gap in JSOC command is curious, and that time frame may bear greater examination.
I’ve been curious about Project 22B for some time, but cannot get anything from anybody about it. Reading that section again carefully, it appears that the redacted agency space is so small, it is either OGA (other governmental agency, usually standing for CIA), or DIA, but it could be something else, e.g., SMU. The comment by the unknown agency re expecting congressional investigations, in its sang froid makes me believe we’re talking about JPRA training CIA interrogators (perhaps new ones).
This makes sense, as CIA heirarchy took from the Mitchell-Jessen experiment success, while a minority (like Shumate) felt there was a problem. Not that the latter were against all torture or coercive interrogation, but they didn’t like the cowboy style of Mitchell, with all his Special Ops friends.
I’ve long said that the torture group had split up into two parties, the “professionals” (college-educated, practitioners of scientific interrogation, including its coercive component), and the “cowboys”, SERE educated, experience-driven, where experience came from directing the SERE schools, but also occasionally being in the field as Special Ops (at another point in their career), or working with Special Ops, as the document in my article shows they currently do.
The CIA, with White House backing, supported the SERE experiment, leaving the more “traditional” “professionals” out on a limb protesting. It was an internal fight, but some of the leaking probably came from the latter. It’s not a fight that will end anytime soon, as each group has their own constituency, and the tension is embedded in the vague organizational lines between Special Operations and CIA’s Clandestine Division.
I don’t think Project 22b is related to the CIA. There are several reasons, but the most significant is probably that in the section discussing the project, the report mentions using the SERE school instructions to implement DOD Directive 1300.7. This directive explicitly relates to the armed services code of conduct – that I’m pretty sure doesn’t apply to the CIA.
I can’t imagine they would have redacted “SMU” … it’s used as a catch-all euphemism for various Special Forces operations throughout the entire report. It must refer to something more specific. The blanks also look slightly bigger than 3 characters to me. My wild assumption is JSOC because [A]USASOC couldn’t fit, and [B]we know TONS of torture was carried out by JSOC forces.
I also think it’s significant that the “OGA” thread seems to separate into a distinct line in July 2002 (pg. 23-24) when Mitchell & Jessen form their consulting firm – which is how the CIA likes to do stuff. EW has pretty extensively drawn a clear line through the CIA program with these guys as the driving force operating as contractors. That seems like a standard-playbook move to compartmentalize the CIA, why would the JPRA continue direct involvement? It doesn’t make sense to me.
IMO, this is where JPRA possibly washed their hands of directly supporting the CIA outside of operations running under military cover. If this assumption is correct, it puts the rest of the SASC report in a slightly different light than if one was assuming that the CIA makies frequent appearances throughout the report.
(Thanks for the response BTW).