[Welcome William Greider, and Host, Nomi Prins - bev]
Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country
William Greider (who really needs no introduction) is the national affairs correspondent for The Nation. During his 40-year career, he has written for many publications, including the Washington Post, where he was a correspondent for 12-years and eventually assistant managing editor of national coverage, and Rolling Stone, where he wrote a column for 17-years. He also served as an on-air correspondent for six PBS Frontline documentary films, including the 1985 Emmy winner ‘Retreat from Beirut."
His bestselling books include: Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country (Simon and Schuster 1987), Who Will Tell the People: The Betrayal of American Democracy (1992) and reissued in 2006 (Touchstone paperback) with a new forward, One World, Ready or Not: The Manic Logic of Global Capitalism (1997), Fortress America: The American Military and the Consequences of Peace (Public Affairs 1998), and The Soul of Capitalism: Opening Paths to a Moral Economy (Simon and Schuster 2003.) His latest book is Come Home, America: The Rise and Fall (and Redeeming Promise) of Our Country (Rodale 2009.)
It is my honor and my pleasure to host this salon for William Greider. When I first read Secrets of the Temple, I was working for Bear Stearns in London. It was just after the Asian Currency crisis. And it was before the Fed became a key orchestrator of the Long Term Capital Management bailout, which at $3.6 billion and without a cent of public money is nothing, compared to today’s $7.6 trillion Fed-lead bank bailout through a variety of facilities and other subsidies. I took the book off the shelf of a friend of mine to borrow. He went on to become a derivatives trader at none other than, AIG.
I never returned it. I did not know then, exactly how the packaged securities we were creating would take down the general economy, where the banking industry would go, and to what extent the Fed would be its co-conspirator. Nor did I know that through my many moves, I would still have the book, as well as the privilege of meeting the great Mr. Greider. In addition to his being an incredibly brilliant man, he is also an exceptionally humble and helpful human being – a rare combination. Over the past few years, I have had the fortune of having him blurb my first book, sharing a panel with him, and today, hosting this salon for him.
Secrets of the Temple is THE definitive book about the Federal Reserve. In writing it, Greider not only amassed the most probing body of research about this massively secretive body, he made a significant contribution to society. It is so full of prophetic insights and solid investigative journalism, that to extract any portion of it, for highlighting would be to not do the full opus justice. You must buy and read a copy yourself, if you have not already done so. It is that important.
Greider of course, remains one of the most authoritative and vocal writers about the Federal Reserve. Since Secrets the Temple was written, the Fed’s philosophy hasn’t changed, but the scope for which it uses it powers, has become historically expansive and dangerous.
Indeed, in his most recent piece in The Nation, Dismantling the Temple, Greider wrote: “The Fed is at the zenith of its influence, using its extraordinary powers to rescue the economy. Yet the extreme irregularity of its behavior is producing a legitimacy crisis for the central bank. The remote technocrats at the Fed who decide money and credit policy for the nation are deliberately opaque and little understood by most Americans. For the first time in generations, they are now threatened with popular rebellion.”
And, “The Federal Reserve is the black hole of our democracy–the crucial contradiction that keeps the people and their representatives from having any voice in these most important public policies.
He outlines six reasons why giving the Fed more power, as the recent Obama proposal suggests is such a bad idea, building on the arguments of his prior piece, Obama’s False Reform, where Greider stated, “Congress should step up its investigations of the roots of the financial crisis and slow down the rush to weak solutions–especially the empowerment of the Federal Reserve.
Fortunately, as Greider mentions in Dismantling The Temple, there is a growing body of congress people on both sides of the aisle pushing for new legislation that shine a light on the Fed’s current actions. The proposed bill, H.R. 1207, would give the GAO power to audit the portion of the Fed’s books related to this bailout. It would be a great start, not just to understanding what junky assets the Fed received in return for the money it printed out of thin air, but in constraining this powerful body through shining light on its actions.
Despite the necessity for this transparency and accountability, the Fed, not surprisingly is pushing back. As Greider writes, “Fed chair Ben Bernanke responded with the usual aloofness. An audit, he insisted, would amount to "a takeover of monetary policy by the Congress."”
That kind of insanity, and status-quo protectionism is what Greider, and the rest of us are dealing with. But, at no time has it been more crucial to open the Temple, than today. At no time has the Fed’s power gone so unchecked, or its actions been so expensive and damaging to our collective future.
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Bill, Welcome to the Lake.
Nomi, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Hi Nomi and Bev
and Welcome back to the Lake, Bill
Hello — Thanks for bringing my old book — 20 years old — to match the events of the present.
Welcome, Bill and Nomi.
How has the Fed changed since you wrote this book?
Welcome, Mr. Greider–and thank you, Nomi.
So, who is it inside the WH that is the Fed’s top protector? Is it Geithner, Summers, Obama, himself? My money is on Summers–correct me if I am wrong–do we stand a chance at real oversight as long as he is on the inside?
Volcker is so central to Secrets of the Temple. What do you think of Volcker’s current role–and how could/should it be changed? And what do you make of the tensions behind the end of Bernanke’s term, with all that might bring?
The last 20-25 years have been very different because the Fed trumped all other political forces and asserted its very conservative values on the economy — rightwing values in the case of Alan Greenspan. Markets first, everything else comes second. That is part of what produced the national disaster.
Welcome back to the Lake, Bill. I recently finished reading Secrets and I never thought I’d read a book about the Fed like a best selling thriller. Couldn’t put it down. Thanks to you I think I now have a basic knowledge of monetary policy and how the “system” really works. Now I have to scan my highlighted parts of the book so I can ask some sensible questions.
Sorry, I’m just coming in now – was on the wrong thread…..
Bill, how has the power of the Fed chairman changed since you wrote the book, in the wake of this crisis?
Bill,
Let me step back and say that the knowledge you poured into the world through Secrets of the Temple is epic. I want to thank you for producing such an outstanding opus!
Yet, it seems the Fed is stronger, more secretive and more dangerous today than ever? Do you believe that to be the case?
I don’t think you have to pick a protector for the Fed inside the WH. The Fed draws on protection from the titans of Wall Street plus major banking interests plus hard-nosed conservative academics and stock-market hustlers. Who needs politicians when you have that kind of support? What is very different — and disappointing — in the Obama team is that he has no one present to act the dissenter and challenge the financial gurus.
Bill,
It seems one of the greatest contributors to this crisis was the lack of regulation of the banking system, and the enormous amounts of leverage it was allowed to take on. In Secrets, you mention the Fed had the power to set margin requirements to 50 percent during the Great Depression. How did we get from there to a system where commercial banks were 10 times, and investment banks 30-40 times leverage (on book, more off book)?
Nomi, thanks. The triumph of the central bank over other political forces started with Paul Volcker in the early 80s, then was enlarged significantly by Greenspan’s wizard act. Monetary experts led cheers, but if you follow the bouncing ball it was the extreme swings of Fed policy that destabilized the economy. Crudely put, the temple leaned hard in one direction — capital over labor — and then swung violently back when it began to produce a runaway financial system. The markets did correct. They corrected by collapsing.
Bill, and Nomi, welcome to the Lake.
I’m not sure I want to read Secrets of the Temple, but I think I should. My innocence was shattered by Who Will Tell the People, but in a good way.
I’ve also read your recent Nation piece on Phil Angelides being appointed as chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission. As a Californian, I agree with your assessment of his Treasurer-hood. In your Nation article, you say “Angelides must get Thomas’s consent on staff appointments, particularly the crucial job of chief investigator.”
Do you think Thomas will play nice?
Who do you like for chief investigator?
Do you know if Phil was involved in any of the investigations that led to Elliot Spitzer’s -er- embarrassment? They had collaborated over the years on financial fraud investigations and you know They will go after Angelides, to discredit the commission.
In Chapter 7 you talk about the gold standard. Why do some, eg some classical libertarians, want to return to a precious metals based currency given what we know would be the consequences? IOW, what is the attraction, other than being a bright shiny object?
I think the historians will zero in on the question you raise, Nomi. As the stock-market bubble developed in mid-90s, other Fed governors urged Greenspan to act against it by raising margin requirements that would slow down financial-market borrowing and buying. He blew them off. The bubble led to collapse and trillions lost. So the Fed tried to restore “normal” by swinging to extremely easy money. That spawned the asset bubbles in housing and commodities. This is the opposite of what the central bank is supposed to do — moderate credit expansion so that it does produce an overly frothy economy. This failure, among others, is what the political debate should focus on.
Bill,
You mention in Chapter 4, Behavior Modification that ‘the Fed’s disciplinary system, in practice, punished the weakest, smallest players first and most severely, while the largest and more powerful enterprises could evade the ill consequences.” That element seemed deeply in play during this crisis?
This is a very interesting set of questions. Angelides is not known for subtlety in his politics. I like that about him, but managing Bill Thomas and his Republican commission members will require deftness. On the past record, Thomas will obstruct and he’s very clever but, as Angelides told me, this is new ground for everyone and the historic calamity may compel politicians to rise about their usual patterns. Lets hope.
The other name — Eliot Spitzer — sounds melancholy now. When I asked myself whom should Angelides pick as chief investigator, I immediately thought of Spitzer as brilliantly equipped for the job. Alas, I do not think the commission will go that way since it would immediately tarnish their efforts.
Bill,
Can you explain the relationship between member banks owning shares in the federal reserve system, and the notion of conflict of interest, given that the Fed then effectively monitors its own shareholders?
February 21, 2009
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On February 17, 1950, James Paul Warburg appeared before the U.S. Senate and declared: “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
Warburg was one of the original architects ,at Jekyll Island in early 9’s, of the Federal Reserve.
Phil Gramm,architect of Gramm-Leach-Blyeley Act in the last decade that dergulated financial institutions,joined Warburg UBS after he left the Senate.
Coincidence?
Somewhere I have video of me suggesting Spitzer to Dodd to run the Commission.
He laughed out loud. I said, “no, I’m serious. He knows where the bodies are buried.” And Dodd looked at me strangely as if the idea was the craziest nonsense he’d ever heard.
They did a pretty thorough job when taking down Spitzer for his own personal failings and hypocrisy.
The strange rhythms of capitalism, as you know, Nomi, involve dumping the losses downhill on the weaker members of the economy. The system does that in recessions and is doing it big-time in this economic crisis. True reform would reorganize the system so that the wealthier interests would have to share the losses induced by failure and a cntracting economy. Here is a simple example of how this could be done: a permanent public jobs program that guarantees a job toany citizen willing and able to work. This would be stimulative for sure but also more just. It would cost a bundle but the folks who were in surplus and still working would pick up the tab as a cost of government. Believe it or not, I think ideas like this may come into play before this crisis is over.
In Chap 11 you said, “Among all the various ‘crowds’ that gathered as Wall Street’s financial markets, the bond market was considered the noblest ‘crowd’ of all, sober and judicious compared with other markets.” Is this still true today?
I’d urge all to read an obscure commentator on money and credit, Doug Noland.
http://www.prudentbear.com/ind…..lebulletin
A web search is required to get his near 10 years of commentary.
Bill. Americans have always loved easy credit. We practically invented easy credit. Credit is how asset bubbles are created. America loves asset inflation. So much so it is never called inflation, it is called increasing value. Do you think America can even exist without easy credit and asset inflation?
It has been my perception that the FED has been very much responsible for the ever widening gap between the wealthy and the have nots. Since Reagun we have been operating under a trickle down garbage. Whenever it gets to a point of being beneficial to the working classes the FED clangs the bell claiming dangers of inflation – raises interest and takes measures to cool off the economy.
Bill, in chapter 18, The Triumph of Money, you wrote that basically until the 1980s, general economic growth in America was the ’safety valve that relieved the tension between wealth and wage earners, the inherent conflict in democratic capitalism’…. after that, the chinks in the armor widened to what we have today. Any chance, you think that wage earners will be able to voice anger at the favoritism shown to the bankers and the system directed at the Fed for its complicity?
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
Lincoln’s First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861
Bernanke said today, short version, that we’re in for a long haul before things get any better. Is there the political will for such a jobs program while the financial sector is making such huge profits, some of which trickles down to politicians’ campaign coffers?
One of the points I try to convey in my new Nation article —”Dismantling the Temple” — is that the structure of the Fed system doesn’t make any sense today. It’s goofy and antiquated. The idea that bankers “own” the 12 regional Federal Reserve banks is archaic bunk but it is in the written contracts. Missouri has TWO Federal Reserve banks. California and the dynamic West Coast have only one. Is that nutty? How did St. Louis and Kansas City prevail? The Speaker of the House in 1913 was from Missouri — that’s how.
I could go on and on. I love to point out the Irrationality of the Central Bank. But this arrangement has consequences that are not amusing. The banking interests get a preferred role in shaping public policy on money and credit. Guess who loses in that arrangement.
And, it also would have entailed not subsidizing a flawed banking system with facilities and guarantees.
One of the things I got so angry about writing my book, It Takes a Pillage – was that I couldn’t get straight answers from the people at the Fed, when asking questions about the values of many of their new loan facilities – that corresponded to their own press releases. Even questions on numbers, such as the $168 billion that the Fed lent to JPM Chase so that JPM Chase could lend it to Lehman Brothers so that Lehman could pay its creditors were answered with lots of passing me along to various people and eventually no verification.
There are bills being floated now to make the Fed more transparent, do you think these will succeed?
Just finished “Come Home America” and wrote a front paged diary here last week called “Bipartisan Compromise = The Public is About to be Screwed.” Started “Secrets” yesterday so I’m interested in the question someone else posed. Carter was warned against Volker but he wanted to appease Wall Street. But Volker applied shock therapy which made wealthy people with dividend checks happy. Why do people point to him as the voice of reason in the administration? Is it just because Summers is so awful?
The bond holders are still very much in the saddle. You can see their influence in how the government has dealt with zombie banks and those about to fail. The Treasury et al do everything they can to avoid whacking the bond holders who bought the corporate bonds. This is partly because those bond holders include institutional investors like pension funds but a deeper prejudice at work. You can dump the losses on taxpayers and they won’t have any good way to fight back. If you hurt the bond holders, they will drive you crazy in finance — withholding credit or taking their wealth overseas.
Bill Greider,
You’ve been a hero of mine for years and I just want to say Secrets and Who Will Tell the People, (I still have the latter on my bookshelf) gave me the realization the system is rigged against the average person and for the monied interest and out to crush democracy.
Holly Sklar in “Trilateralism” is another writer of interest as is Kevin Phillips. The Samuelson report in 1975 laid the groundwork for our current state, could you comment on that.
This is a very important point and poorly understood. The Fed was a principal engine of the widening inequality over the last generation and it continues in that role today. This is what I meant about tipping the favors to capital and financial wealth. Another reason why genuine reforms would consciously build automatic stabilizers that shift the pain and loss upward on the wealth ladder and direct the ameriolative aid downward to those who are left stranded by the deepening recession. This used to be the politics of the Democratic party. Democrats are gradually — too gradually — relearning its importance. But they don’t have forever. People can see where the trillions are flowing while they get laid off or foreclosed.
May I contribute a little background?
On March 9, 1933, Franklin Roosevelt issued Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111, and 6260 which declared that the U.S. was bankrupt. On April 5, 1933, Roosevelt declared a National Emergency and made it illegal for U.S. citizens to own gold. He ordered all gold coins, gold bullion, and gold certificates to be turned into the Federal Reserve banks by May 1 . People would face imprisonment and fines if they refused to relinquish their gold. Further, on June 5, 1933, Congress enacted a joint resolution outlawing all gold clauses in contracts. The Federal Reserve System was not energized until 1933 when the U.S. went off the gold standard which allowed the expansion and devaluation of the money supply. The Federal Reserve collects usury on every bill printed. “Our currency has no value past the confidence of those who use it.”
Gold coinage was withdrawn from circulation, and kept in the form of bullion. The public and the Federal Reserve returned their stocks of gold to the government. The people were paid $20.67 an ounce in Federal Reserve money. The Federal Reserve received Gold Certificates. So the Federal Reserve had control of the country’s gold and could control its price. The stability and responsibility of the government that issues a currency is the primary reason people accept that currency. Obviously, the collapse of that government would render the currency worthless.
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I was aware of all that. Thanks, though. My question is why is there a movement on the right to return to that system other than the mantra of a “stable currency.”
There have been a lot of stories in the last few days that the recession has ended or will end in the 4th quarter. I am not sure if this is true. Even if it is, it doesn’t mean much. I see most of what is going on as a suckers’ rally on Wall Street and some pumping up effects from all the money the Fed has dumped on the banks. I don’t see anything lasting in any of it. The question I have is how long do you think the Fed and the Obama Administration can continue to dump money into the financial system? Because when this artificial stimulation is forced to end, I see very bad things happening. Your thoughts?
Thanks so much for the kind words. Let me use them as an excuse to plug my new book — Come Home, America: The Rise and Fall (and Redeeming Promise) of Our Country. From Rodale this spring. I really want people to check out this new book because it puts the truly hard reality on the table — we have a long, hard passage ahead and it will change our country profoundly, whether we like it or not.
Obama is mixing his message — talking about the larger adversities we face, but also sounding like the “good times” are right around the corner. I sympathize with his burden but I think we need to start telling ourselves the truth of our situation. “No. 1″ is over. The good times, as we knew them, are not coming back. But — BUT — we can make a better country on the other side of the ditch if citizens reclaim their power.
That’s what my book describes. The gatekeepers did not like it, indeed it was ignored by all important outlets (even the lefties on TV). The Financial Times called me an isolationist AND a protectionist. The establishment does not play fair in these matters, as Nomi knows.
Bill,
Another thing that makes me angry – Bernanke continues to say transparency is important and yet, in congressional testimony has declared it would be ‘counterproductive’ to disclose information about which banks have received what loans, and in return for what type of collateral. How is he allowed to lie so blatantly – wasn’t the lead-up to this crisis predicated on this lack of transparency in the banking system – that the Fed perpetuates? If the Fed was doing its job as bank regulator properly, we’d have saved trillions. Do you believe their role as regulator should be taken away?
Also do you know of Stephen Zarlenga and the American Monetary Institute which has come up with an updated version of the 1930s Chicago Plan? The Act puts the Federal Reserve under treasury and no longer allowed to create money as debt but money to be spent on human infrastructure of education and health and also physical infrastructure. In other words, spent into circulation to promote the general welfare. Banks would go bank to accepting deposits and loaning money.
It would appear the establishment does not play fair. Period. Never has. Never will.
Come Home, America is on my list.
They would raise a ruckus but I don’t accept the consequences. I don’t think they could extricate themselves from their positions to take their money overseas. Currently it is the Fed and government that are the big providers of credit. Besides them, who’s lending?
Bill,
Come Home America is a book the country desperately needs right now. The feeling of helplessness and hopelessness that pervades citizens who struggle daily with their own personal financial situation while seeing the lavishing that goes on for Wall Street is palpable. I am always asked – well, what can we, the people, do about it? Your new book addresses this. We do have a strong collective voice. We just need to use it with strength.
Can’t say enough good things about “Come Home America”. It’s like the repair manual for what ails us. It is chuck full of facts and has great ideas for salvaging what is left of our thin democracy here. You talk about “formations” instead of political parties. I see the single payer movement as a formation. I also see a “Fix the Fed” formation as united left and right.
Just a guess, but how about greed?
On your question about the congressional bills for greater transparency at the Fed: this is a very promising mini-rebellion that both left and right in the House are supporting. Getting an audit of Fed accounts is a vital first step toward political accountability. The political barriers to doing anything more are formidable, obviously. But I think the more people embrace the argument that the Fed is antiquated and imappropriate to preside over the modern economy the more the unsanctioned ideas like mine will get a hearing.
This is the start of what I expect will be a long struggle. If the Fed wins expanded powers now (thanks to Obama and his friends at Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan), the Fed will remain in the crosshairs of controversy. The empowered Fed will defend the Wall Street club protect a select group from failure — thus injuring many other parties, from small business to rganized labor ad consumers. This political question of who has power cannot be brushed aside.
#46 was a response to #37.
Bill, I know this isn’t within the purview of the book, but do you think we can revive/redo our manufacturing base? And if we can/do, will it mitigate what the financial cats do?
By the way, Nomi, I read “Other People’s Money” (great!) and took your advice and read Doug Henwood’s visionary “Wall Street” written in 1997 that predicted all of this. Oh my God, were you right. So we have Greider and Henwood way, way ahead of the curve as are you.
I was pretty disturbed when told the fed can at will lend money to foreign governments without congress even knowing about it much less approving
which means of course the fed can actually lend money to our enemies
if true, frightening in scope
so, is this true?
Wasn’t it H.L. Mencken who said “It’s hard to get a man to understand something ,when his paycheck depends upon not understanding it.” ?
I do believe the Fed should be stripped of most regulatory powers. Its failure to enforce prudent regulations in the last 20 years was dereliction of its public obligations. Giving the Fed governors more power will simply encourage their lopsided understanding of what matters in the economy sphere. We do need a new enforcement agency but we nmainly need the restoration of hard laws — anti-monopoly laws that will force the banking behemoths to get smaller or die (since govt will no longer come to their rescue). We need hard regulatory rules that simply eliminate much of the esoteric games that bankers and shadow bankers use to evade the sound banking practices required by law (as well as evade taxes).
The so-called modernization is not, on the whole, in the public interest.
As you mention in both your recent articles for The Nation – giving the Fed more power is a truly bad idea. It makes no sense at all that Obama, Geithner and Co. would be supporting the notion without their strong relationships to Wall Street. Geithner is an extension of the Fed, in his Treasury role – he came from the NY Fed President post, and allowed many risky practices for the banks under his watch, just because they asked for them. We must, as citizens, be very vocal about not giving the Fed more power. Would you, in fact, strip the Fed of certain powers instead?
Obama seems stuck in a timewarp. For him, it is 1992. All the Clintonistas are back as is the pro-business attitude. He even is pushing a healthcare “reform” early in his term. That we just endured 8 years of the worst Presidency in our history and that the country’s economy is on the financial rocks doesn’t seem to have occurred to him. I see him as divorced from reality as Bush and completely incapable of addressing any of the economy’s problems. Like Bush too, he seems to exhibit no learning curve. I can only see this ending badly for us all.
What, in your opinion, are the odds of Obama keeping Bernanke or replacing him with Summers? Could Summers win confirmation in the Senate?
Bill:
I haven’t seen this mentioned yet. What caused Volcker’s “Come to Jesus” monent? What I mean by that is this. As a central banker, he wasn’t that much better than Greenspan. Sure, he got inflation under control, but otherwise he was just average. I know about the speech he gave earlier this decade(2005, I think) warning about the problems that would eventually befall us. When did he decide to speak truth to power(as much as a former Fed Chief might say)? And why? Also, will we ever have another Marriner Eccles(Who was the Fed Chief during most, if not all of FDR’s Presidency .. and for all his Mormom/Republican upbringing .. turned out to be one of the best Fed Chiefs ever .. if not the best)?
And Henry Ford who said, “If people understood the nature of money, there would be revolt by morning”?
It’s not easy to fly in the face of your paycheck, that’s why collective action is needed. Denial and fear are strong tools of the powerful over the rest of the population – but, knowledge and uprising feel so much better – even if the uprising just means bothering your local congressperson everyday.
Holy shit, Summers as Fed Chair? He’d give the whole damn store away, leaving the rest of us to scrounge the fields for food.
Can everyone DIGG this last comment of Bill’s?
Better yet, what are the odds “B-52″ Ben gets reappointed?
IMHO, William Greider is a national treasure-and a voice in the wilderness. Thanks to FDL and Mr. Greider for the opportunity to particpate.
Fed skepticism, if not hatred, has long been a lynchpin of the populist right and conspiracy buffs. Now over 20 years on do you sense how people want to avoid Fed criticism because it is associated in their minds with the radical right or just plain radicalism.
I think we no longer have a link to DIGG. Seems they co-opted the traffic to one of Jane’s posts a while back.
thank you for the kind words. I’m glad you picked up Doug’s book as well. And yes, Bill was ahead of the curve, before there was a curve. The people that run the country refuse to see inherent problems – they in fact, blatantly ignore them in order to maintain the status quo that props them up. It’s very scary.
Agreed on all points.Ms. Prins.
Is it ANY wonder what labor unions,i.e.,especially EFCA, have the boys on Wall Street quaking in their thousand dollar Italian loafers?
As if they (WS)don’t ALREADY have an ersatz union of their own-but WE are paying THEIR dues!
Dear Mommybrain (I love that name) — The restoration of Manufacturing is the heart of the matter and my new book discusses the politics of how to reverse our mudslide toward weakness. The American people, on the whole, never bought into the Free Trade theology and are now actively opposed. It is the governing elites in both parties and the private sector that drank the Kool Aid and continue to promote its virtues.
The continuing decline is larger and more ominous than people losing jobs and middle-class incomes. This is now an Economic Problem for the entire society and requires a reversal of national policy.
Here is a crude summary of my strategy: Tell our major trading partners (and creditors) that the US must once again serve as the locomotive that pulls the would economy out of contraction. That means China et al have to keep lending us lots of money so we can keep buying their goods. In other words, we have to dig our hole a bit deeper in the interest of rescuing everyone including ourselves from something far worse.
BUT Washington must inform the others that, when the recession is over, the US will impose different rules on itself and trading partners should be forewarned. The Government puts a cap on US trade deficits and forces them to decline gradually until the trading system is roughly balanced. Yes, that requires tariffs and will be denounced as protectionism. But the US can no longer tolerate the slow bleeding of buying from abroad more than we produce and sell. The bleeding is now a hemorrhage.
Second, target the US Multinationals that have served themselves well while injuring the national interst. Tax them. A company that continues to ship jobs and value-added production offshore will pay a much higher corporate income tax while companies defending uS jobs pay a lower tax.
Candidate Obama was among Democratic senators who have endorsed the concept and proposed to reward “patriotic corporations.” Let’s get President Obama to talk that way.
Real reporters like Greider hunt down the facts from interviewing people below the CEOs. We have a few operating now like Matt Taibbi and authors like Nomi Prins, Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill. Promote them.
Ooh,I’m SOOOO glad you brought up corporate tax.
This a a HUGE rip off of not only our country,but developing countries ,too.
Lucy Komisar has done some seminal work on corporate tax hijinks.
She’s an unsung heroine,imho.
I would still like to know if anyone has any thoughts on how long the Fed (and the Treasury) can continue to re-inflate the economy. At some point, they will be forced to turn off the firehoses and I foresee a second and more general collapse shortly thereafter, that is of course unless Obama changes course, something he has shown no intention of doing.
Bill,
Can you talk about how Nixon brought on the 1970’s infaltion through the Vietnam War, dollar devaluation and the oil embargo due to the Texas Railroad Commission setting prices at $3 a barrel from 1955 to 1973. Carter got the blame at the end of the 1970s because the rethug noise machine had kicked in by then, but it was republican policies from 1969 through Prez Ford that were the guilty parties. Remember wage and price controls, the frozen dollar and WIN buttons? Then Volcker lost Carter the election.
Bill, These are all such important suggestions. You wrote Coming Home America as the bailout and financial support for the banking industry was just growing towards its now $13.3 trlllion and counting level (more than half of which is coming directly from the Fed). What specific advice do you have for us, to counteract this recent and seismic shift towards the financial, rather than the production, industry?
Shouldn’t foreign trade also be tied to cap and trade policies.
I looked up the numbers yesterday in a comment I made at Naked Capitalism but since January 2001, we have lost 23.3% of goods-producing jobs in this country. Manufacturing jobs have declined by 30.7% in the same period. This represents a massive and rapid de-industrialization of the country.
Paul Volcker was saving banks “too big to fail” 25 years ago and also going along with deregulation though he privately knew it would create new dangers. In fact, if we heard the full truth, FR governors would admit that deregulation actually weakened the Fed’s ability to do its core function, that is, control the expansion of credit. Greenspan was a true believe (also a political hack, as Harry Reid once said). But Volcker knew better and privately grumbled about bankers acting like lemmings.
So do we feel better about Volcker because he was smart enough to know the real story? Or do we feel worse because he kept the truth to himself?
I suspect Volcker’s sour comments in recent years reflect this dilemma. I wish he would step up more forcefully.
As we come to the end of this great Book Salon,
Bill, Thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon with us and discussing your legendary book and The Fed.
Nomi, Thank you very much for Hosting this great Book Salon.
Everyone, if you do not have Bill’s books yet, here are the links.
Come Home, America and Secrets of the Temple
Nomi’s book
It Takes a Pillage
Thanks all.
Sorry but Candidate Obama didn’t mean it. He could care less about working people. (Disclosure: I was an Edwards person from 2004-2008 because of economic justice issues and his fighting style and could we have a general amnesty for brilliant trial lawyers who have erred like Spitzer and Edwards so they can go after Wall Street?) We need to build a movement because even though Obama was vetted by the Rubinites and is their front man, he won’t be reelected. We need to scare the crap out of these folks. Somehow…
Except the firehoses aren’t really putting out the fire. Sure, GS is making money like never before but the rest of the economy is in the crapper. The Dow doesn’t signal the health of the economy.
Thanks Bill, thanks Nomi and Bev
One of the best Book Salons, thanks.
Problem is, both Spitzer and Edwards suffered the “Appalachian Trail” problem. I know, it’s okay for Republicans to fool around but not Democrats. And that’s dumb.
Bill:
I don’t know if you are still here, but can Volcker speak out more? I mean, of course he can, but as a former Fed Chair, does he want to tick off others in “The Establishment”?
Thank you, Bill and Nomi for your time and insights. I’m looking forward to the additional reading.
Namaste
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Bill, you say ‘In fact, if we heard the full truth, FR governors would admit that deregulation actually weakened the Fed’s ability to do its core function, that is, control the expansion of credit.’
This is a terribly critical statement, and yet Bernanke created or enlarged 4 of the top 5 banks in the country last fall – he allowed Goldman Sachs to become a bank holding company, pushed Bank of America and Merrill Lynch to merge, permitted Wells-Fargo and Wachovia to merge and backed the losses of Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual when they were acquired by JPM Chase. How did he get that so wrong? – and what do you think will be the ramifications into the future?
Thanks for being here Bill & Nomi.
Bill, there have been wildly divergent figures assigned to the total expansion of credit through various Fed & Treasury entities over the past 18 months. What range do you think accurately describes the hole they’ve dug in the national debt?
Also, with credit to businesses in the real economy stagnant over the 1st & 2nd quarters 2009, and Barofsky’s impertinence to demand a full accounting of what The Big 19 did with our money, where did it go?
Heh, just entering and haven’t read all the comments yet, but your response is what I would have responded to your 8. If the Fed sees its job as protecting the financial markets, how come the U.S. financial markets have become more volatile, including several bubbles & crashes in the past 20 years? Are they stupid, or blinded by ideology, or some other reason?
Thanks to you and all the FDL’ers Bev! And many thanks to you Bill!
I sometimes wonder if America is too big for our version of democracy to be effective anymore. Three hundred million people, most cowed and silent about what is happening to us because we have no idea what’s really going on.
The “reality” of about 75 million of us is not the reality for the other 225 million, witness the more and more disturbing rabble-rousing screeds about Obama killing our country – to which I say “Huh?!” How do we still meet in the middle?
Small is beautiful.
Rapier’s point describes an excruciating dilemma for the Democratic party and maybe the rest of us too. The extreme irregularity of Fed behavior is fueling angeer from all corners and it’s easy grist for the rightwing. So it is clear that Obama and Dems in Congress want to steer clear of the populist right — nativist fury over immigrants and Bankers in Black Helicoptors.
Yet this is the trap that silences everyone left of Fox News. To attack the peculiar and illegitimate power of the Federal Reserve is not a rightwing perspective. In my usage, it is a defense of small-d democracy and a claim that people have the right to understand what government is doing to them, that Congress has the Constitutional duty to examine the Fed and critique its decisions and even reverse its decisions in the public interest.
In other words, we need to speak for a great debate like the one that unfolded 100 years. Can the American people be trusted to act like grownups or must they consign power to remote technocrats hidden from public view? Are we unruly children who must be ruled by a stern father figure who knows what’s best for us and slaps us down occastionally?
This would be good to talk about.
I just saw this piece at NYT
Inside the Meltdown: Financial Ruin and the Race to Contain It
A review of “In Fed We Trust” by David Wessel
That’s because they aren’t directed at the fire. They are being used to fill up the rich neighbor’s swimming pool.
One last word, if I may. This has been terrific for me — both fun and stimulating. Thanks to Jane and Bev and Nomi and for the Firedoglake community for having me. sincerely, Bill Greider
That’s F—–n PRICELESS!
Hugh,you’re the BEST….
I would like to look at the actual numbers but I’m guessing that about 98% of Goldman is still tied up in investment banking. All the change in designation did was give it access to badly needed credit so it could continue its speculations, which it has been doing.
I think it would be safe to say that it was our pleasure.
Capital seeking it’s greatest return
This makes sense from a yield to maturity calculus. Capital formation where goods, services & jobs are created can’t compete with Wall Street speculation through program trading & highly leveraged arbitrage bets.
Doing this with U.S. Treasury funds at zero percent interest, makes their shortsighted game even more profitable to Goldman Sachs, etal.
Gives a twisted connotation to the old expression, stealing them blind.
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Mr. Greider
I have read all your books and say, without a moment’s hesitation, that you are the MOST significant writer of your generation. Thank you for all your hard work and the pure enjoyment you have given me over the years with your superb writing.
Way late on this, but I’ll leave it anyway.
Good discussion. I have purchased and read 3 of Mr. Greider’s books, the most important being “Secrets of the Temple.”
Mr. Greider mentioned that 100 years ago the pertinent issues were roundly discussed. In the late 1800s and early 1900s both major parties contributed ideas or coopted issues from minor parties on how to reform the economy and the monetary system. Contrast that with the period 1988-2008 when the most important qualification for the office of president was to be as close as possible to the looting of the S&Ls. (son, business partner, brother)
Mr. Greider has laid out the financial crimes of the last 25 years in some detail, and yet little has been done to make such larceny more difficult.
My point or question is this, doesn’t there need to be more drastic, perhaps even revolutionary reforms if we are to unseat cleptocracy that has seized our finacial infrastructure.
I recommend two books to expand the discussion.
Ronnie Phillips, “The Chicago Plan & New Deal Banking Reform” on the missed opportunity of introducing a 100% reserve requirement on banks.
and my own “Redeeming Money” by Stephen C. Clark, available for purchase or free download at lulu.com
Mr. Greider has in his own way written the sequel to Alexander Del Mar’s “History of Monetary Crimes”. Thank you for all your effort and best wishes.
OMG, the man was a Marxist!