At least nine members of Congress have cosponsored a birther bill that would require prospective presidents to affirm their U.S. citizenship. What we don’t know is how widespread the belief is among Republicans — and even if the belief is confined to a narrow minority, whether the belief will spread as Republicans begin to pay closer attention to electoral politics in 2010 and 2012. In the same way that Democrats in 2004 always got a stolen election question (which, to be fair, was at least closer to reality than the birther’s claims), Republican presidential candidates need to figure out how to diffuse angry birthers who are bound to show up and demand their attention. …. The buried lede to this post: Rush Limbaugh claimed today that Obama "has yet to prove that he’s a citizen." Republicans have to be extra careful. If they give credence to the birthers, they’re (not only advancing ignorance but also) betraying the narrowness of their base. If they dismiss this growing movement, they might drive birthers to find more extreme candidates, which will fragment a Republican political coalition.
Uh, Marc? If they give credence to the birthers?
I’d say introducing, you know, actual legislation and stuff, counts as giving credence.
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What a bunch of idiots…
TERM LIMITS
Just watched this video over on Think Progress. Love it! So sad to see the wingers having to admit they’re freaks./s
The people who actually believe this (and I don’t think any member of Congress actually does) are truly crazy. Not in the political sense but in the sense of needing to be put away somewhere in a very soft room. Nobody who can tie their shoes really thinks this is so.
“Mail this birth certificate to the wacko wing of your party”.
Good job by Chris!
I saw the segment and promptly called the idiot congressman’s (is that redundant?) office. I pointed out that(among other things) the country has actual real problems, and that if this is what the idiot congressman chooses to spend taxpayers’ time and money on, then he is not fit to hold the office. I was told by the staffer that he was engaging in this effort to keep things straight on a go-forward basis. I said that such an assertion was basically bullshit, and that the real reasons he was doing it were to 1:) appease the lunatic fringe wing of the party and 2:) to make a name for himself. The staffer replied (basically), “uh..uh..uh…”
How could Obama be a citizen of this country? He’s… (looks around, drops voice to a whisper) a black man.
Rachel has some breaking news coming up on Sarah…
The 19th ethics complaint filed, maybe?
One of the greatest youtube’s of all time! *G*
And yes, I know it’s Tweety . . . but still . . . he DESTROYS Campbell, whom I detest!
-A Kalifhoorneeeeennnnnnn
Thanks for posting this!! *G*
I call these folks the Birth Certifiables.
Mathews fluffed right-wing, anti-health care fanantics all night. USA Today and Jim Vandehei explained that no one wants to pay taxes and therefore want no change to the status quo. Tweety concurs by giggling. Orrin Hatch explained that anyone who wants Obama’s Health Care is nuts! Nuts! Tweety again concurs by giggling.
Tweety discussed the viablity of Sarah Palin with his right wing guests. They (USA Today and Politico’s Vandehei) concur that she is teh awesome. Tweety agrees by giggling.
We’ll see. That wouldn’t be breaking to us, though…
Is this the same Chris Mathews that was professing his love for Michael Steele yesterday?
Now we’ve done it! Quick, sacrifice some virgins!
Reports are coming in that the moon is eating the sun over Asia! This has got to be the revenge of the gods for us allowing a non-American to be president.
Same…
Yes. He also loves the USA Today lady with the bovine perspiration on her upper lip who hates health care reform. Tweety also fluffed Vandehei and Orrin Hatch – permitting all to spew right wing bullshit with no counter argument.
I love how he corners the Congressman into saying maybe Obama would have to show his birth certificate to be re-elected in 2012.
Hack, in this moment, Tweety does our work for us.
Just enjoy the moment, and we can take up the old march against media soon.
But for now, a cocktail, a cigar, a moment of quiet contemplation or joyous and loud exhilaration.
Cuz we BEAT them birther asshats, hard . . . and we need to do more of it.
For now, it’s a small win. *G*
Sun Ra and the gatos will NOT be happy about these reports . .
Report allegedly coming out that Palin guilty in one of complaints.
I wonder if this bill includes requiring congressfolks to show their birth certificates. I have my suspicions about Darrell Issa…
Best. Youtube. Evah.
We need to show this over and over, no matter WHAT the issue is.
And use it like a stick to beat them down time after time when EVER they rear their toady heads.
Every issue, has the same answers, and end results.
Tweety, bless his heart and all his vital organs, gave us the template.
Now progs need to use it. And beat them, with it. *G*
*G* From under a rock, perhaps? Not in USA? Maybe Hades? *G*
Another one I loathe.
You echo my thoughts. I wonder how many of these lunatics would support a bill requiring them to produce birth certificates.
This is simply another manifestation of the Republican strategy we saw in the 90s. If you can’t prevent a Democratic Party nominee from being elected president, launch incessant attacks on his character and attempt to remove him from office by ANY means possible.
Issa is from the planet ignorasium.
Then he really needs to produce his birth certificate. And his immigration papers.
The president is the only one that is required to be natural born according to the constitution. Therefore all those other guys can be unnaturally born.
John Campbell was an idiot. I will say that Chris backed him into a corner and he had to admit Obama is a citizen. I sent him a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. Here is Campbell’s address if you are so inclined.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congr…..;plusfour= 92660-2412 is a good zip code
U raise an interesting issue. Unnaturally born indeed.
Rachel’s gonna call out Lou Dobbs, birther, after the commercial.
Okay, true enough.
These birthers are an embarrassment. The whole group stood to say the pledge after this maniac demanded it.
The best shot was the women at the end laughing.
Frankly I suspect more than a few republican congresscritters and senators are NOT naturally born. More like hatched. Or crawled directly from the primordial swamp ooze. (there is no other possible explaination for mitch mcconnel, for instance)
McConnell’s birth certificate would show one parent to be a turtle.
I suspect many of these folks entered the world via the wrong port. In any event, if they were not asshole babies they are certainly asshole adults.
McConnell is related to Phil Gramm? I guess that make sense.
Turtles are prehistoric and virtually unchanged for millions of years. They are slow to move, dogged once on course and void of evolution. You must be right!
Dood, you can’t say “wrong port” on here.
Non-traditional port?
McConnell just looks like a turtle to me.
That too!!!
McTurtle?
McCain flack, whacko financial criminal Phil Gramm.
Ratfood @ 40
Alternative entry?
Y’all, I so rarely comment but am here most every day and have been for years. I have been encouraged by positive comments to a light-up-the-troll comment I made the other day. Thank you all so much.
I’m repulsed to admit that Campbell is my congressman. I have butted heads with this maroon’s office time after time after time after time. He doesn’t listen to or care about any of his constituents except the ones who either give him hard cold cash or can pave his way to the next job.
Complete boob.
Welcome to my very frustrating world.
Wasn’t there for the incident you mention, but keep up the good work. I know your comments, and they are good.
I enjoy your comments. Do it more often. :)
I want to see his freakin rabies tags.
And therein be the heart of the matter:
*They* claim this will only be “going forward” (ie after Obama). Anybody who believes that canard is one digit short a two digit IQ. Should it pass, there will be an immediate winger outcry to impeach him…because they’re still claiming he isn’t an “Murican” citizen and there’s now a law (a law, I tell you!) that says he can’t be president.
Spit! This shit just gets worse (and more insane) with every passing day!
HEY, Phil Gramm may be a wacko but at least he is making us all in his home state ashamed to be Texans.
MSNBC is on a bit of a roll. Rachel last night debunking Pat B. and Tweety tonight with that sorry excuse for human.
Evenin’, friend rat -
#50’s for you.
Feel better. You could be from Oklahoma.
*What*! is it with that man’s skin? He looks like he’s on his tenth face lift.
(i just threw up in my mouth a little)
Oh, yeah! Thanks for the post BT.
Where does one insert the bulb to “light-up-the-troll?”
I alwayas wondered why John Cornyn is called box turtle when it is McConnell who so resembles one.
Howdy howdy howdy.
To put it another way, they spend every day flinging poo and hoping some of it will stick. They all know it’s poo except for the few who think it’s Jello puddin’.
OMG! He does look turtley in that shot. In fact, he does generally.
or a little like a salamander
poor salamanders…
Are you talking about the pull-back at the end with the two women standing together? I was wondering if they knew they were being caught by the camera joining in with all the other idjits in the audience.
The problem is every time a handful of poo is thrown, there’s always a little residue that *does* stick…….and it eventually builds up sufficiently to be noticeable. :-(
I knew it was time to change jobs when I dreamed that I grabbed one of my 8th graders by the cheek and yelled, “stop being such an ass!”
I felt the same way about that congressman tonight. Just wanted to sink my nails into him and shake him until he peed himself. This is our country! We shouldn’t have to put up with this stupid sh*t.
Every few years I have to watch “1776″ again so I will feel better. Have a copy of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution in my purse at all times – just in case I meet a nut.
So this is what a social implosion looks like. By 2010 the only people who will be willing to mark a Regooplican ballot will be completely overdosed on hallucinogens.
non-sapients get birth certificates?
Although I’d love to see it abolished, birthers give me some pause in wanting the Electoral College gone. Seems like they’re everywhere. ;-)
It never stuck to St. Ronnie of the Rayguns.
Nope, just AKC registration papers, if they’re purebreds.
They seemed sane.
I wish. But watching that town hall tonight made me want to walk to Norway.
Sorry, small delay on this end.
Where does one insert the bulb to “light-up-the-troll?”
Weeeellll…. you see, what had happened was……there were bad words involved.
I’ll see if it can be found.
Here it is.
http://campaignsilo.firedoglak…..ment-31950
“Sane” would have been if they’d continued sitting vs. standing up with all the other sheeple. YMMV. *g*
You’ve highlighted how this clip is a textbook example of how the BigMedia game works.
Notice all the comments saying, “Hey, Tweety gets it right sometimes…he ain’t so bad…” or what have you, when in fact the clip itself advances Reich Wing talking points and is a mere blip in radar of all the other airtime that’s dominated by Repub frames. It’s how someone like Tweety gets to say he’s legit. David Brooks is good at this dance as well, among others.
Just talking about this focus group tested fabrication so much gives it incredible amounts of life, and Tweety is completely missing the real debunking on this made-up issue anyway. The Birther nutjobs have a whole slew of talking points memorized about the document Tweety was holding up. Not only does Tweety holding that up and repeating it over and over mean nothing to them since they’re very aware of it already, Tweety doing that actually plays right into their hands.
They simply say they want to see the “actual” birth cert. They say that document Tweety had is part of the conspiracy and was made-up recently, among other things. So, they can claim the Librul Media and the Librul Chris Matthews are doing their usual cover-ups. It’s a virtual two-fer for a wingnut!
Now, Tweety could’ve REALLY shut this dude up and convinced a large segment of his audience, including any reasonable Repub, that this is ridiculous if he would’ve brought up the birth announcements from the two Hawaiian dailies when Obama was born, and the fact that the Hawaiian Records officials have personally viewed the original birth cert and stated on record that is all accurate. Don’t know about y’all, but I don’t have my orginal birth cert. All I have are copies, since they can’t hand out originals since they know so many people will lose them, or they’ll get destroyed in a fire, and so on. Why didn’t Tweety bring up any of these points that totally end this “debate?”
Tweety simply poured gas on the fire, and for the rest of the show fluffed Repub talking points.
Isn’t it amazing?
You read the Constitution now, and it seems like an extremely Liberal document. Lush Limpbaugh would freakin go berserk on basically ANY of the Founding Fathers.
Have you seen the “John Adams” series from HBO? That really works well for today’s insanity.
Here’s the really bizarre thing…..
Congressman Campbell himself (and/or his brilliant and/or birther-brain damaged staff members) has posted this video on his own Tubian Channel U..
Wow.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pat B and Sessions type thugs actually do carry around purebred certs, purporting to show their unblemished membership in the master race. The certs may be purchased from your friendly neighborhood health insurance industry lobbyist. Party of Dogs.
Haven’t seen the John Adams Series but I plan to buy it. I read about the “Fathers” and it makes me sad to realize what we could have been and makes me amazed how far-seeing they were.
Having been the subject of multiple barrages from WINGNUTS recently, I was pleased to see Chris knock this guy down. Certainly he looked pathetic to both his supporters and detractors. We all need to stand up to the crazies when they say crazy things and not let them off the hook because they are nice neighbors and our kids play with their kids and go to their schools. Stand up and say, “That’s just crazy talk!”
It’s tough, we well know from personal experience as the WINGNUTS will use any foreum, any pretext, any opening whatsoever to repeat the untruths that they hope will move them back into power.
Hit them with a shovel!!!
“Actually, Congressman, no, I don’t think presidential candidates should have to prove anything, because the Founders were not complete fucking idiots and basically were not setting a test but outlining who would be suitable. It would make no difference at all if the best candidate was 34 and wasn’t born in the US but was a true and faithful citizen. They just didn’t want the Brits to try to take the country back over by the back door, you halfwit.”
You were right on all counts, of course. Trouble is, the troll raison d’etre is not to foster discussion but merely to make people angry. I prefer to starve them but I know at times they can be hard to take.
Forget about President Obama.
I believe there is evidence to prove that George W. Bush is not from the planet Earth. There is actually proof, on the net, that Bush came from Uranus.
Just look at footage of any of his former speeches.
I feel almost guilty that my only remaining Republican representative is just a garden variety dickhead. Judd Gregg is a tool and a half, but man, Bachmann, Sessions, Burton, Barton, Blackburn, DeMinted and the rest are nucking futs.
-G
Todd Tihart is making a name for himself.
Hey Newtonusr.
Yeah and he’s running for Senate too. Is he going to get the bottom bunk with the dirty sheets at the C Street orgy pad?
-G
Learn to swim first, dear. Or get deep ocean pressure suit and lots of oxygen.
Is there another doctor in the house?
LOL!
I’m not a real doctor but I play one on my imaginary TV.
Nor am I, but I imagine I play one on a show with really hot nurses… and lots of Chicken in a biscuit crackers and squeeze cheese. :)
What the tinfoil brigade are ignoring is that State Bureaus of Vital Records are going to all-digital formats. If you’ve noticed, all of the birthers demanding to see Obama’s birth cert are 50-something. They got their birth certs ages ago — they probably look like mine from the Territory of Hawaii. It’s an honest-to-doG white-on-black photocopy of a typed record.
Modern birth certificates don’t look like that. They look like what they are: a laser printed copy with the State Registrar’s Seal and an authorized (i.e., clerk’s) signature. I don’t know what sort of record I’d get if I ordered a new one. I hope Hawai’i has gotten back to my birth date with the computerized records, but knowing how Vital Statistics offices work, I doubt it.
Dr. BC is here in the hizzouse!
AMEN! And well said. Tweety’s just like almost all of the talking heads (with the exception of Rachel who actually seems to do some prep for her shows); they just spew a few talking points. Tweety spent most of the time referring to the people who believe such nonsense as nutjobs…or whatever term he used with none of the specific rebuttals you describe.
-grin-
I think I may have won a small victory against the University Bookstore today… wanna hear?
What, ignorant assh*l* isn’t good enough for him?
Stewart and Colbert prep too, Waccamaw.
Although it says something awful about us that The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are among our best broadcast news sources.
Bring
True, dat. Also Moyers and Goodman…….unfortunately, that’s pretty much the entire list. :-(
I’m switching out texts for my intro stats course. I’m so sick of being on the edition treadmill that I’m using the selected chapters from a standard text and some of my own material as a custom text.
Just on a whim, I asked the publisher if they could bundle a graphing calculator with the custom text. They checked, and said, “Sure. We sell TI-84s out of the math group bundled with Algebra texts.” So, the prices come in, and our bookstore (run by a famous name we’d all recognize as belonging on dairy farm) said, “Cost to students for the package will be $235.” That’s a 45% markup, and $5 more than the text and calculator bought separately from the bookstore.
So I called the publisher, thanked them for their efforts but said the bundling thing wasn’t going to fly. The editor said, “Wait a sec. We’ll sell the bundle to your students who are willing to buy on line, 20% markup.”
I called the bookstore text manager back and told her, “Here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to send all my registered students an e-mail next week with the ISBNs for the custom text, the e-book version of the whole textbook, and the calculator bundle. I’ll tell them they have to have a TI-83/4 calculator, and I don’t care where they get it. I’ll also tell them where they can get the bundle. By the way, the publisher is selling the bundle at a 20% markup.”
There was silence on the line. Then, “Well, that is your right.”
“Yes, it is. Do you still need a 45% markup on the bundle, but a 20% markup on the text itself?”
“Yes, we do. That’s Corporate policy.”
“Thanks very much.”
Negotiation 101
I laugh will all of you over the nuttiness of some of these elected representatives. This guy Campbell was a riot.
However, my laughter stops when I remember that he, and all those other wackos, WERE ELECTED. By a majority of voters. Supposedly American voters. It’s fun to ridicule this wackiness, until you realize just how wide spread the insanity really is. It doesn’t make me feel warm and cozy thinking about that.
WTF happened to our country? Doesn’t anyone have a friggin brain anymore?
This has nothing to do with whether or not he is a citizen, it has to do with if he was born in this country….that is the requirement for being president.
No, and that appears to be the whole problem.
So Hawaii isn’t part of the U.S.?
Shouldn’t votes for a black man count only as 3/5ths the votes for a white man. Isn’t that what a strict constructionist Supreme Court should rule from a careful reading of the Constitution?
I’m glad we have laid this question to rest.
Now on with term limits.