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	<title>Comments on: Late Night: Mishugeh in Missouri</title>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939952</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While this isn’t Obama’s doing, some civil rights activists are upset about Rush Holt’s bill &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HR 45&lt;/a&gt;. National licensing for firearm ownership.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Discussion gets a bit overblown, claiming 4th and 5th amendment protections would be voided and agents could enter homes without warrants to check for unregistered firearms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this isn’t Obama’s doing, some civil rights activists are upset about Rush Holt’s bill <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45" rel="nofollow">HR 45</a>. National licensing for firearm ownership.</p>
<p>Discussion gets a bit overblown, claiming 4th and 5th amendment protections would be voided and agents could enter homes without warrants to check for unregistered firearms.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939945</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree. I was responding to someone saying “600 rounds per minute”. That’s not something that you can get at most gun shops.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I was responding to someone saying “600 rounds per minute”. That’s not something that you can get at most gun shops.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939941</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you’re repeating folklore and are grandstanding. If you have credible evidence of people violating the NFA then call the BATF and get them prosecuted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you’re repeating folklore and are grandstanding. If you have credible evidence of people violating the NFA then call the BATF and get them prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: smokepaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939818</link>
		<dc:creator>smokepaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t forget to google before you post! The AKs in question are not “automatics” they are semi-automatics (i.e. not scary machine guns). Yes they made in America, there are several state side manufacturers. Most gun crime is committed with hand guns. The promotion this clown did last year giving away hand guns was actually much more irresponsible than giving away AKs. The extremely rare AK shooting always gets coverage out of proportion to the thousands of hand guns shootings (it’s like the missing white woman syndrome for firearms). Guns are a part of American culture. That particular genie will not return to the bottle so instead of wasting time on that futile pursuit we should be engaging gun owners and educating them on progressive policies that are actually in their favor (health care, better tax policy, education for their kids, jobs…).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t forget to google before you post! The AKs in question are not “automatics” they are semi-automatics (i.e. not scary machine guns). Yes they made in America, there are several state side manufacturers. Most gun crime is committed with hand guns. The promotion this clown did last year giving away hand guns was actually much more irresponsible than giving away AKs. The extremely rare AK shooting always gets coverage out of proportion to the thousands of hand guns shootings (it’s like the missing white woman syndrome for firearms). Guns are a part of American culture. That particular genie will not return to the bottle so instead of wasting time on that futile pursuit we should be engaging gun owners and educating them on progressive policies that are actually in their favor (health care, better tax policy, education for their kids, jobs…).</p>
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		<title>By: ichbineinberliner</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939817</link>
		<dc:creator>ichbineinberliner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where they are stringently and effectively enforced, gun control laws are extremely effective, as in Europe.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Europe” is a continent with over three dozend countries. Gun control in Europe ranges from the virtually gun free UK to Finland and Switzerland which have quite permissive firearm laws, and of cause everything in between.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re: gun ownership in Switzerland: Switzerland has a very high rate of gun ownership even if you ignore the Army issued guns. The “alpine taliban” are armed to the teeth ;-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But as ThingsComeUndone said in #81, guns don’t &lt;em&gt;cause&lt;/em&gt; violent crime — poverty, lack of perspectives, and unequal distribution of wealth does.&lt;br /&gt;
Omnipresent firearms &lt;em&gt;just&lt;/em&gt; amplify the effects of violence. That is they increase the possibility of a robbery to turn into a shoot out, of an assault to turn into homicide, and so on.&lt;br /&gt;
And that is true even for well off, “idyllic” Switzerland.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Where they are stringently and effectively enforced, gun control laws are extremely effective, as in Europe.</p>
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<p>“Europe” is a continent with over three dozend countries. Gun control in Europe ranges from the virtually gun free UK to Finland and Switzerland which have quite permissive firearm laws, and of cause everything in between.</p>
<p>Re: gun ownership in Switzerland: Switzerland has a very high rate of gun ownership even if you ignore the Army issued guns. The “alpine taliban” are armed to the teeth ;-)</p>
<p>But as ThingsComeUndone said in #81, guns don’t <em>cause</em> violent crime — poverty, lack of perspectives, and unequal distribution of wealth does.<br />
Omnipresent firearms <em>just</em> amplify the effects of violence. That is they increase the possibility of a robbery to turn into a shoot out, of an assault to turn into homicide, and so on.<br />
And that is true even for well off, “idyllic” Switzerland.</p>
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		<title>By: ray33</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939788</link>
		<dc:creator>ray33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;haha nice, pic looks like public enemyy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha nice, pic looks like public enemyy</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939729</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seconded :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939727</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My Apologies to ShekissesFrogs :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Apologies to ShekissesFrogs :)</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939725</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;THe GOP is also tarnishing their brand name by running ads against Dems who vote for climate change legislation.&lt;br /&gt;
       People love the environment as an issue the GOP seems angry they are doubling down on loser hands. There is not an unpopular issue/frog/dead frog  the GOP is not willing to openly back (no code words)/kiss&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124813256104766775.html#mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/.....And_Policy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THe GOP is also tarnishing their brand name by running ads against Dems who vote for climate change legislation.<br />
       People love the environment as an issue the GOP seems angry they are doubling down on loser hands. There is not an unpopular issue/frog/dead frog  the GOP is not willing to openly back (no code words)/kiss</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124813256104766775.html#mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/&#8230;..And_Policy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/20/late-night-mishugeh-in-missouri/#comment-1939643</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes - always see the mistake the second I hit Submit!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; always see the mistake the second I hit Submit!</p>
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