Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge.

But I didn’t say “fudge.”

Yeah, because more guns is the solution to everything. Motherfucking goon.

I like the Wizard of Oz.

(okay, I’ll stop now)

Hi Watertiger!

I posted something on this and the best comment I got was about instant drive-by’s.

Fits nicely.
No Dem admin has made a move to ‘take their guns,’ which proves how vigilant the 2nd Amendment’ers have been.
I see it clearly now.

I think we should encourage more of this sort of thing. Very quickly Darwin will win and we will be rid of these cretins.

Heh. No rifle rack required!

Sure, but how many of us get caught in the crossfire?

People need to get a grip.

The whole country follows Florida’s example? But we got no gators in California. What will we shoot at?

Wish I could say this was surprising…wait! Did you say Kalashnikovs ARE manufactured in the U.S.?????

And to think I thought Amurkans didn’t make anything anymore…./s

Republicans?

you’ll have to pry their guns from their cold dead grips!

Do they still make the Stryker Streetsweeper? It was a fully automatic large clip shotgun manufactured in apartheid era South Africa for er, crowd control. Anyway, it might have been ideal for the Florida couple facing six intruders.

So’s a neutron bomb. that way, their kids can still get the house.

Now, now…
Some of my favorite people are Republicans.
Where would the Democratic Party (terminally incapable of growing their cajones back) be without them?

Tex-Ex and I once owned a used pick-up truck. Had a gun rack when we got it, and we kept a water gun up there.

Where would the Democratic Party (terminally incapable of growing their cajones back) be without them?

The same place they are now.

kerschnort!

Good thinkin’. One of the Michael Nesmith movies had a segment about NNS, Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority.

I’m wondering just who has the “special needs” in this discussion…the kids or the gun seller. wow.

Look, I know that McCheese was a hindrance to his own victory, but without Gov. Grift, the nation would not have seen the full-on crazy the Republicans were capable of.

And who’s not breathlessly awaiting Bachmann’s next turn at the wheel? She’s better fundraising than most Dem Critters combined.

Here in NYS I had a coyote hanging out at the back of my yard this morning. I don’t own a gun though, and wouldn’t have shot it if I did. (My bee keeper, who also hunts, informs that if the animal is mangy it should be shot, and buried 4 feet deep, as mange is contagious. However, the coyote this morning seemed to have a healthy coat of fur.)

She’s the next one to “go rogue.” I, for one, eagerly anticipate her unfettered twittering.

A super-soaker?

haha. Now I have to confess to using my windshield sprayer in a particularly non neighborly way….

Is there another doctor in the house?

Tuesday is the anniversary of the guilty verdict in the Scopes monkey trial. 84 years later most Americans still don’t accept the theory of evolution. I hope whatever species eventually replaces homo sapiens at the top of the food chain is a little smarter.

Personally, I hope her husband goes a’twitter. To see him live, he appears to be equivalent to Palin’s intelligence minus JokeThePlumber’s gravitas.
Plus he knows where the bodies are buried. This could get really funny.

Uh oh. How’s your coat feeling today, Watertiger? Itchy or anything?

Coyotes, while potentially dangerous to people and, more especially to small pets, serve a very useful purpose in keeping the rodent population down.

Does he throw in the conversion kit to turn it back into a fully-automatic weapon?

I mean you want to be able to spray the evil jackbooted government thugs with a hail of bullets in one go, don’t ya?

Hmmm. Only about 34% of Americans believe in the theory of evolution today. I do not think we have made a lot of progress in that direction.

A planet where apes evolved from men?!

Plus, you built in their habitat, not the other way around.

Depends on the type of mange, eCAHN. Some types are fairly easily handled, others are what my veterinarian colleagues called ‘ungratifying’ to treat.

I don’t remember what the various types were — I worked on that project back in gradual school.

ahoy

There was a news story a few years back about a coyote that walked into a Subway restaurant in Chicago and plopped down on the floor. Unusual behavior for a coyote but those roadrunner subs could make anyone a little queasy.

Well, actually coyotes are an intrusive species in New York. Their native range is farther west. They have been dramatically expanding their range over the past 50 years owing to the extermination of wolves in most parts of the country.

Dr. D,

I once sat on a doctoral comprehensive in Animal Science. The candidate was asked about evolution in the oral portion, and said that he didn’t believe in the theory of evolution. Turned out he was a young-earth creationist.

I voted to fail the candidate. Sadly, I was the only committee member who voted to fail.

I don’t have pets, but every once in awhile I see a stray cat wandering around despite the coyotes, so I guess they aren’t that predatory. The little guy was pretty cute. Not worried about my own safety.

We’ve got our full phd quota then.

Right before I left, there was a coyote that wandered into the Gold Coast. Made the local nightly news.

Monkeys understand grammar better than Sarah Palin does.

I don’t think we needed a Harvard researcher to figure that one out.

Buy mange on wild animals is not diagnosed or treated.

AK-47 an American gun? Not one of his customers pointed this out to him I’m guessing none of them served in the army.
Just how does an American who obviously likes guns does not not know the AK-47 is the gun of choice for all of America’s enemies?

They are that predatory. I’ve seen several studies of coyote scat, and in urban areas feline and canine bones are very common.

she’s going absolutely apeshit on Twitter. It’s a bloody laugh riot.

I was going to post a photo of a Viet Cong soldier holding one, but . . .

A planet where apes evolved from men?!

And they called themselves Republicans.

Traditionally coyotes have been incredibly people-shy. Their adaptation to urban settings (and that of other species) is a sad development, owing (I assume) to loss of natural habitat.

They are not generally aggressive, but they can become somewhat habituated to humans and lose their fear of people. As long as you leave them alone and do not threaten them they won’t hurt you. Children can get in trouble, because they confuse them for dogs. As long as there are other things to eat, they do not bother pets. In parts of California attacks on pets and children have been a problem, but I have been around coyotes most of my life and there have never been any problems.

Not usually treated, sometimes monitored by wildlife scientists.

I don’t understand the typical American liberal aversion to firearms. I have to assume it has a lot more to do with an aversion to the archetypal caricature of a gun-toting redneck than it has to do with the actual firearms, because otherwise it doesn’t make any sense to me.

As leftist progressives we supposedly understand the ridiculous ineffectiveness of material prohibitions, we recognize the necessity to only infringe on someone’s rights at the point they’ve caused harm, been prosecuted, and sentenced. We recognize that the state has a legitimate burden of proof to show the necessary effectiveness of infringing on individual civil-liberties for some observable aggregate gain in social civil-liberties. We’re also supposed to be the rational data-driven segment of the political spectrum.

Yet despite all that there’s always an undercurrent of wanting to engage in a War on Guns using the same broken policies we’ve all seen fail with the War on Drugs, and even in light of the fact that there doesn’t appear to be a firm correlation between per capita gun ownership and per capita violent crime; as there are several nations which have very high per capita ownership rates, but have astronomically low incidents of violent crime, other nations which have the inverse, and still others (like the U.S. that have both).

The effectiveness of policy responses has been terrible, and the underlying premise for that kind of restriction on someone’s civil-liberties is notoriously weak (and inconsistent with almost every other facet of liberal principles).

Can someone explain it to me? I’ve been wanting to do a diary on the hypocrisy of this position on both sides of the aisle when squared against their other prerogatives, as well as provide some insight into just how completely inane and pointless most of our “gun-control” laws are. They have a tendency to be much more emotionally satisfying than effective or sensible (AWB I’m looking at you).

Certainly the rube portrayed in this article fits the stereotype that we all like to poke fun at, so it’s an easy target, but is it really the firearm that draws such ire, or is it the ridiculousness of people like Mr. Muller here?

America is its own worst enemy, so we may as well have ‘em too.

I’ve seen several studies of coyote scat-

Coyote jazz singers? That’ll give the Roadrunner pause.

Yep.

I’m not denying that coyotes can eat small pets. However, where I am there is so much other food for them to dine one, they don’t need to attack every cat in the neighborhood. Once, as I was walking along a path, I first saw a coyote and about 20 steps on I saw a cat.

Canis latrans is an incredible opportunist. Habitat loss is not a big problem for them, they adapt very nicely to rural/suburban landscapes.

Wolves can’t cope, but ‘yotes do just fine. And they’re interfertile with C. familiaris and C. lupus. There are report of huge coyotes on the east coast.

there was a coyote in my backyard about a week ago. i actually enjoy seeing them. i’ve seen a few in my walks in the greenbelt behind my house.

Mishugeh in Misery — a case study for Jared Diamond

This morning was the first time I’ve seen one so close to the house (about 100 yards). Usually I see them in the back of the property which abuts on other properties with lots of woods and open space.

If you mean pot-head doc…

Oh, but the best wildlife experience was the Canada goose who waddled right up on my back porch, 2 years ago. I was right inside the screen door. After looking around, he waddled back up the lawn and into the field. Guess he might have been checking out nesting sites and didn’t find concrete or lawn inviting.

Any pictures of those meth head kids who were busted driving to the Democratic convention to kill Obama?
What ever happened to them? Did they have an AK-47? Did not some Republican later say they were not really a threat or some such?

There was some evidence in the 70s that the so-called “southern red wolf” was in fact a hybrid of all three. Coyote-dog dog crosses were pretty common (and a big problem) in eastern Oklahoma when I lived there and accounted for all the “wolf” reports in the region.

Coyotes have the added benefit of being able to survive falls from incredible heights and having gigantic boulders fall on their heads with nothing to protect them except a tiny umbrella.

I’m not afraid of guns. Part of growing up in my family was learning to handle firearms safely and shoot them competently.

I am afraid of idiots with guns. And there are way too many of those around. People with small children who leave loaded weapons laying around their home. People who are willing shoot in the field without first identifying their target (Shooter Cheney, I’m talking to YOU). People with the Doom mindset: bigger is always better, gimme a BFG. People who think they need a 40 round magazine to go deer hunting. The list goes on and on…

One of my colleagues had a mountain lion take down a deer in her back yard a few years ago. She lives in town, though on the edge, across the street from an elementary school.

Do they also use the tiny umbrella (cocktail type?) as a parachute when they fall safely from incredible heights?

20 years ago I read that there were a large number of coy-dogs in Illinois but no known full blooded coyotes. Seems to be in the past 10-15 years that they’ve made a strong comeback.

Now, that would worry me.

Indeed. I own a gun and strongly favor stringent gun control.

That scenario would be more appropriate on the late-late nite suzanne thread.

Me too. We’ve had some similar reports up north, but nothing down here. Yet.

My first day in Missoula, I was watching the local evening news and they had a story about two mountain lions prowling through the married student apartments at the south end of campus. I knew I was not in Chicago any more. Bears and lions in town are a fairly common occurrence.

Typically they only open the umbrella after they have impacted the ground, when they notice the shadow of the falling boulder growing larger around them.

Speaking of AK-47s, I once fired one at a shooting range. Pretty smooth. The range was owned by my in-law’s cousin, so we were his guests. It’s one of the two times in my life that I’ve fired a gun.

Does it help if you stand on a chair and scream?

I don’t understand the typical American liberal aversion to firearms. I have to assume it has a lot more to do with an aversion to the archetypal caricature of a gun-toting redneck

No I think its not a caricature how many right wingers have gone nuts and opened fire this year?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBq3-PGCE2Q

and even in light of the fact that there doesn’t appear to be a firm correlation between per capita gun ownership and per capita violent crime; as there are several nations which have very high per capita ownership rates, but have astronomically low incidents of violent crime, other nations which have the inverse, and still others (like the U.S. that have both).

I am going to hazard a guess that America has the most inequality of wealth between the richest and the poorest of any country with high gun ownership rates?

the sierra club teamed up with the nra on one campaign and i just loved the idea of “environmentalists with guns”.

i’ve shot a kalasnikov. amazingly enough. don’t know now what kind it was. it was on the kibbutz in israel in the golan heights in 1967, i learned to shoot a number of automatics – the kalashnikov, the uzi and my favorite – the karl gustav. i was thinking if i knew how to shoot them, i wouldn’t be so afraid of a lot of the guys carrying them around the kibbutz. it accomplished that and it turned out i was a good shot. my first instruction from the fellow teaching me, before he told me to shoot was that if i looked at him to not turn the gun in his direction also. that seemed like good advice. he never died on my watch.

Actually yes, but only as long as you are not between them and real food. There are a lot of mountain lions in the area where I do most of my hiking (though I have never seen one, several friends have) and they say the thing to do is make yourself look larger and to yell very loud. Unlike bears, who only attack in self defense, lions occasionally confuse us with food.

I understand that Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownserhip, owing to universal male military service, weapons kept at home. But very little gun violence.

I understand what you’re saying, but it seems like that always gets lost on the way to legislation. Instead of recognizing that the FFA already puts pretty reasonable restrictions on public ownership, and viewing gun-control as a measure of improved public training and safety, we get completely ridiculous legislation like the AWB (where the restriction between two identical firearms can literally be nothing more than cosmetic).

They do not really own them as they are government issue and they legally must account for every bullet.

Ha. I was kidding, having in mind the typical female reaction to a mouse. Didn’t know I was onto something.

As a cop’s kid, I was around guns from the earliest age. I occasionally went to the practice range with him. Perhaps that early familiarity is part of the reason I’ve never been particularly fascinated by them. They are dangerous, as are automobiles. I suspect we should set the requisite training to operate both a tad higher than we do.

just how completely inane and pointless most of our “gun-control” laws are.

They treat the symptom not the disease plus they really do not stop crazy people from buying guns

“I Don’t Like Mondays” was a UK number one single for four weeks in July 1979. Written by Bob Geldof and performed by The Boomtown Rats, it was the band’s second number one single.
[edit]History

Geldof wrote the song after reading a telex report at Georgia State University’s campus radio station, WRAS, on the shooting spree of 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer, who fired at children playing in a school playground across the street from her home in San Diego, California. She killed two adults and injured eight children and one police officer. Spencer showed no remorse for her crime, and her full explanation for her actions was “I don’t like Mondays, this livens up the day.”

I am pro gun but we do need to stop the crazies and gun laws that allow you to take guns into bars well thats insane I know lots of mean drunks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..ke_Mondays

there are several nations which have very high per capita ownership rates, but have astronomically low incidents of violent crime, other nations which have the inverse, and still others (like the U.S. that have both).

Name another nation that has per capita gun ownership that approaches ours. I haven’t studied it, but I can’t think of another offhand. Canada, perhaps? Other than Canada, I can’t think of one.

I think you have to lay a substantial chunk of the responsibility for our gun violence rate at the door of the media. We are bombarded by messages that tell us to be afraid, be very, very afraid.

Another chunk of responsibility goes to our ridiculously unregulated market for firearms. Every study ever conducted has shown that the people most dangerous to us are those we live with. Having easily available firearms makes bad situations worse.

But the guns are kept at home, right? And therefore could be used for crime, accounting for bullets not being much of an impediment if you have evil in mind.

Yeah wasn’t Darth drinking that night?

Do the Swiss employ CBAs (certified bullet accountants)?

Citizen eCAHNomics:

“I once fired one at a shooting range. Pretty smooth.”

As one who has experienced the delivery and been intimately involved in dealin’ with the receiving end of the AK there is a terrible inverse proportionality between the two…as a matter of fact I think EVERYone who experiences firin’ a weapon should be required to see what it does to an 18 year old kid on the receivin’ end. Peace Citizen.

FWIW the AK 47s that regular folks buy cannot fire 600 rounds per minute. To buy a fully automatic rifle you have to have an extensive FBI check (not just no felonies and no involuntary commitments like other guns, more like a security clearance), then pay a $200 transfer tax. Class III weapons are not sold by very many gun shops because of the amount of paperwork required. There are very few fully automatic weapons in civilian hands – well over 90% of the NFA firearms legally sold are purchased by Law Enforcement Agencies.

Yes civilian AK-47s look like the fully automatic version. Possessing the fully auto version without the transfer stamp is punishable by 10 years in federal prison and lifetime loss of the right to bear arms.

One beer, which seems to be all anybody has ever had when the cops catch up with them.

I love that story.

Has anyone seen LS?

I think the danger is how you use them. Lot’s of hunter friends and have no problem with that kind of gun use. I’m not interesting in the act of hunting myself, but I like being the beneficiary of hunting.

As I understand it, the purpose of gun control is to try to keep them out of the hands of people who intend to use them to committ crimes. In reality, gun control laws don’t seem very effective, but who knows what the murder rate would be without any gun control. (I know, gun nuts argue that murder would be less because you could shoot your attempted assailant, so they wouldn’t try. But I’m more impressed with the stats about how many people get killed with their own guns, including cases where the assailant wrestles it away and uses it on the owner.)

Heh. Now that’s a Q too far into the weeds for me to know the A. *g*

Great Brilliant they also have a universal draft right meaning everyone gets a gun education that has to be a factor in lower gun crime the Swiss idiots unlike our idiots were taught to respect guns.
and by idiot I mean Darth!

They are indeed in their homes (usually in a closet, I am informed) and kept unloaded. They could be used for crime, but the Swiss seem rather less inclined to that sort of thing than we are. Same is true of the Canadians, who actually have a higher rate of gun ownership. Part of the difference is our macho culture, which is absent in those countries.

OT: Where is Gates Going To Find More Soldiers?

Point taken. On the same day I also fired a couple of hand guns and a rifle or two. So my statement was meant to refer to the comparison between how the AK-47 fired vs. the other guns.

Chris Rock has a bit about bullet control I am liking it.

Does anyone remember the opening scenes of Bowling for Columbine where Michael Moore picks up a gun gift at his local bank? He confided that he was an NRA member.

I sure wish one could get Jean Shepherd’s The Great American Fourth of July and Other Disasters on video. Alas, there’s still no official release after all these years. Rights battles, I expect. Shep’s birthday is the 26th, next Sunday.

In my mind, there is no reason for anyone who wants a firearm for target shooting or hunting to have a semiautomatic weapon. I will confess to preferring semiauto pistols, because the reduced recoil makes them easier to shoot accurately.

But I’ve done a fair amount of hunting in my day, I’ve used lever action rifles (Winchester 30-30 and 25-35), bolt action rifles (Remington .243 and Winchester .270 and .308) and one semiauto (a .308). Being able to pop off 3 shots in 1.5 seconds just doesn’t help.

The only thing semiautos are good for is killing people. And they are efficient at that. Put a 3 or 4 shot magazine capacity limit on semiautos and limit them to internal magazines and I don’t have a problem with them.

The mass market versions of the AK-47, like the M-16, are easily converted to full auto and the directions for doing so are widely available on the internet. I knew guys who did it before there was an internet.

Citizen ratfood:

I too had early experience with weapons given to me by my disabled, war hero father and, like you, was made to fear and respect the things because of what I saw my father go through every day of his life livin’ with his wounds.

Higher civilian unemployment. Q.E.D. Haven’t you read that the low recruiting standards have been able to be abolished since the economy crapped out?

I’d like to be able to walk in the woods any time of year without having to worry about getting shot. I realize that is unrealistic. Responsible hunters are one thing but there are way too many morons who will shoot when they cannot see the target.

Righto. Education being very important.

Crap, I have to hop on the commuter train up to North Portland. Hopefully you guys will still be around later.

This topic probably warrants my getting my lazy bum in gear and writing the diary, so all the data is pulled together.

Fully auto rock-and-roll is waaaay overrated. No one can hold a fully auto weapon on target. That’s why contemporary assault rifles have a burst setting at least in addition to the rock’n’roll. Many don’t even have a fully auto setting any more.

they say the thing to do is make yourself look larger /blockquote>

Ummm, I know how cats make themselves look larger, by turning sidewise and fluffing all their fur to stand on end while arching back.
How can humans do it?

I think the “yell very loud” part would be taken care of without conscious thought on my part.

i was wondering where he’s going to get them also. i’ll recommend yoo, addington and rumsfield and feith for starters.

Oh yes! They’re even recruiting autistic people directly from group homes!

I remember my dad letting me hold his unloaded revolver when I was three and telling me, “NEVER point one of these at a person… unless you intend to use it.” I know it seems like a weird mixed signal to give a little kid but it stuck with me and I am happy to say I have never been tempted to point a gun at a human being.

Where they are stringently and effectively enforced, gun control laws are extremely effective, as in Europe. They are not and cannot be perfect, however. The problem here is lax enforcement and too many loop holes (the gun show exemption for background checks for instance). It does not help that federal agencies are not allowed to maintain a federal registry of legal gun sales, like everybody else in the civilized world. The problem is a few bad dealers, private sales and gun shows, and stolen guns.

Not much of a problem here, as I know the hunter (maybe two this year, not at the same time) on my property. However, last year, a friend of my neighbor put up a hunting stand on the border, pointing toward my field. My hunter friend talked to them (when he’s hunting, I see his car parked in my driveway; when the neighbor’s friend is hunting, I have no advance information not to go wandering back.) They kind of blew him off, but he did empty his pee jar around the stand every day he was here. Said it smelled like the men’s room at Yankee Stadium. Not sure what I’m gonna do this year if the neighbor hunter comes back.

I understand it takes the U.S. military 250,000 bullets to kill on Iraqi.

Dad wasn’t a war hero, but he taught us (my brother, my sister and me) to use and respect firearms. My folks didn’t have a no toy guns rule, but I did when my boys were growing up.

Funny thing is that they would turn anything that was vaguely long-arm or pistol shaped into a gun.

in oregon the drinking hunters would shoot cows (yes, COWS) with the word COW painted on them in red.

Citizen eCAHNomics:

My point was just to remind you that you only had part of the experience with the weapons…it’s easy to become enamored to the point of obcessive fascination unless you associate the purpose and end result with the firing. It’s easy to see how people can become enamored and even dependant…I don’t think you’re ever gunna see anyone who has experienced shots fired in anger expound on the virtues of armin’ civilians for self-defense.

NYC Mayor Bloomberg went to VA to try to negotiate some solution for the VA guns that murder people in NYC; apparently it’s a big source for illegal guns. He got turned down flat.

I had a brother who lived across the road from some woods in Indiana. They once had a deer slug pass through the wall and over the dinner table… during dinner.

i have no words for the level of disgusting this is.

I understand your point, which is important to make. As I have only fired guns two times in three score and four, I can’t be accused of being enamored.

“These additional forces will be used to ensure that our deploying units are properly manned and not to create new combat formations,” he said.

http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=11645

Not to create new combat formations I like it. Are they hiring Union Electricians so our troops don’t get electrocuted in the shower?

Citizen ratfood:

I got the same lecture with the addendum that if he ever saw me raise a loaded weapon in the direction of ANYone it would be the last time.

That sounds about right. Every survey of weapon use and fatalities in combat actions has shown that we could issue troopers straws and spitwads and it would about as effective. The troopers wouldn’t like it, though.

Most combat deaths are caused by artillery (including mortars), aerial bombardment and crew-served automatic weapons. Personal arms just aren’t very efficient in most actions.

You stand as tall as you can, stick your arms out to the side and wave them up and down, if you have a jacket or sweater on, open it up and wave the sides. Do not, under any circumstances, bend over or crouch down.

You never know how many of those stories are real… I’m certain some but not all of them are. My uncle in Missouri told me about a couple city-slickers who supposedly shot what they believed was a doe (actually a mule) and took it to the ranger station to get it tagged. Got a feeling that one was just a yarn.

There were never any guns in our house when I was growing up. My father, who served on Guam, Saipan, and Iwo Jima, had had enough of guns and killing to last him a lifetime.

Yow. Talk about a conversation piece.

I gather the slug came through a window?

That alone deserves a diary if you have a link, and if you compare the dollars we spend total to the number dead. We can’t afford this war we never can say that enough Sun Tze “no country has ever benefited from a protracted war”.
We need Dems saying this kind of stuff on the news.

It was 40 years ago and my recollection is a little hazy. I’m guessing it passed through a fiberglass garage door and then an interior wall.

Citizen eCAHNomics:

Apologies Citizen…I am truely sorry if you thought I was accusin’ you of bein’ crazy about the things…I was jest musin’ about how easy it is for folks to get warped…no offense intended.

Think I’ll head out. Wishing a pleasant and peaceful evening to all.

Wherever it came through, it comes under the heading of Idiots With Firearms.

Ahhhh. Okay, that makes sense.

Especially the last part – I admit I might well be tempted to curl up in fetal position in fear… (joking, I hope. Well, I hope those circumstances won’t come up)

Yeah, I’ve got to get up early in the morning, so I probably ought to head out too.

Good night, folksies.

People will start confusing you with a Gentleman if you keep this up.

By the way, on behalf of me and mine, thank you to an earlier and untold of until now generation of Norske’s for heroic service to their country.

Night. Think I will head out as well. Want to go fishing in the morning before it gets hot. We are having an unusual string of 90 degree days here.

Fry, who has a history of being abused and neglected and has a criminal record, is sitting in a cell at Camp Pendleton on disciplinary charges as the military investigates why a Marine recruiter picked Fry up from a California group home for the mentally disabled and drove him to a recruitment center to sign him up.

Experts say the case of Joshua Fry, who will face court marial on July 20 on charges of possessing child pornography and unauthorized absences, highlights a disconcerting trend of the military accepting candidates that never would have been considered a few years earlier as the forces struggle to supply the manpower for the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=11562

Autistic, he was abused, and they caught him with child porn and he was recruited No TV here please tell me the MSM is reporting this story.

g’nite all

Not so much TCU.

Rachel had it last week.

The fix is in the MSM loves these kinds of stories.

Come on I saw missing white woman coverage non stop for months. One day is nothing.

Somehow military recruiting horrors don’t have the staying power in the news cycle. Just one more blight on the Republic that the public would rather turn away from.

No argument on the ‘white girl’ thing.

Stories that could show the war in a negative light like this don’t get the airplay they should. Koz had a bit about some Fox News guy who said the Taliban should shoot an American they had prisoner.
I want KO demanding this guy get fired every day. I want reporters ambushing him at his home asking him questions.

Late to this discussion – but Canada has nowhere near the gun ownership of the US, numerous types of weapons are prohibited, and there are restrictions on how guns can be transported/carried.

Okay, I was wrong…

Nah, he was prolly looking for Beers … flying makes ya thirsty !

With an upper-case “B” makes it art, you know…

Well, maybe not. According to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L….._ownership

In 2007, there were 90 guns per 100 residents in the US and 31.5 in Canada.

per 100 residents.

Hear ! Hear !

And also to Raven and the countless Vets who lurk … we can never repay you !

looks like you edited your 157 – so now my 158 makes no sense. anyway, the right info is out. hi fern.

Imagine what it must have taken for Norske’s Dad to tell those tales. As one who graduated after Vietnam, it’s unimaginable.

Yes – always see the mistake the second I hit Submit!

THe GOP is also tarnishing their brand name by running ads against Dems who vote for climate change legislation.
People love the environment as an issue the GOP seems angry they are doubling down on loser hands. There is not an unpopular issue/frog/dead frog the GOP is not willing to openly back (no code words)/kiss

http://online.wsj.com/article/…..And_Policy

My Apologies to ShekissesFrogs :)

Seconded :)

haha nice, pic looks like public enemyy

Where they are stringently and effectively enforced, gun control laws are extremely effective, as in Europe.

“Europe” is a continent with over three dozend countries. Gun control in Europe ranges from the virtually gun free UK to Finland and Switzerland which have quite permissive firearm laws, and of cause everything in between.

Re: gun ownership in Switzerland: Switzerland has a very high rate of gun ownership even if you ignore the Army issued guns. The “alpine taliban” are armed to the teeth ;-)

But as ThingsComeUndone said in #81, guns don’t cause violent crime — poverty, lack of perspectives, and unequal distribution of wealth does.
Omnipresent firearms just amplify the effects of violence. That is they increase the possibility of a robbery to turn into a shoot out, of an assault to turn into homicide, and so on.
And that is true even for well off, “idyllic” Switzerland.

Don’t forget to google before you post! The AKs in question are not “automatics” they are semi-automatics (i.e. not scary machine guns). Yes they made in America, there are several state side manufacturers. Most gun crime is committed with hand guns. The promotion this clown did last year giving away hand guns was actually much more irresponsible than giving away AKs. The extremely rare AK shooting always gets coverage out of proportion to the thousands of hand guns shootings (it’s like the missing white woman syndrome for firearms). Guns are a part of American culture. That particular genie will not return to the bottle so instead of wasting time on that futile pursuit we should be engaging gun owners and educating them on progressive policies that are actually in their favor (health care, better tax policy, education for their kids, jobs…).

I think you’re repeating folklore and are grandstanding. If you have credible evidence of people violating the NFA then call the BATF and get them prosecuted.

I agree. I was responding to someone saying “600 rounds per minute”. That’s not something that you can get at most gun shops.

While this isn’t Obama’s doing, some civil rights activists are upset about Rush Holt’s bill HR 45. National licensing for firearm ownership.

Discussion gets a bit overblown, claiming 4th and 5th amendment protections would be voided and agents could enter homes without warrants to check for unregistered firearms.