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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1939071</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks masaccio.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1938972</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s quite a story. Is it true or a fabrication meant to cause investors to experience fear?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the great manipulation “programme” is the method and theatrics needed to panic the market.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s quite a story. Is it true or a fabrication meant to cause investors to experience fear?</p>
<p>Perhaps the great manipulation “programme” is the method and theatrics needed to panic the market.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1938898</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would hesitate to suggest such a tax until the economy is stronger. We don’t want to increase the cost of doing business (of any kind) just yet. An increased tax on individuals of wealth is a different matter. Bringing that money back into productive use would be stimulative (imagine it paying for health care, for example).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, after the recovery we might indeed want to consider adjusting incentives (or disincentives) on a variety of economic or financial activities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hesitate to suggest such a tax until the economy is stronger. We don’t want to increase the cost of doing business (of any kind) just yet. An increased tax on individuals of wealth is a different matter. Bringing that money back into productive use would be stimulative (imagine it paying for health care, for example).</p>
<p>However, after the recovery we might indeed want to consider adjusting incentives (or disincentives) on a variety of economic or financial activities.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1938897</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“We would think that loan volume will continue to go down as we continue to tighten credit to fully reflect the high cost of pricing on the loan side.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does he mean by “the high cost of pricing on the loan side”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We would think that loan volume will continue to go down as we continue to tighten credit to fully reflect the high cost of pricing on the loan side.”</p>
<p>What does he mean by “the high cost of pricing on the loan side”?</p>
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		<title>By: goldstandard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1938889</link>
		<dc:creator>goldstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When it comes to banking profits especially at Goldman Sachs, there was a story that appeared on Bloomberg on 7/3 and then was hushed up and never appeared on any other MSM site. Today while doing some surfing, I came across this piece that was an eye opener.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Russia Reports Massive $18 Trillion Theft Of US Funds By Israeli Backed Network&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A stunning FSB report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the  largest theft in World history has been engineered by the Israel  Security Agency (ISA) under the direction of current Israeli Prime  Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Australian media oligarch Rupert Murdoch  and the US investment bank giant Goldman Sachs that has stolen from  American mutual and pension fund account holders over $18 Trillion  through a device known as “the Doomsday box”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;According to these reports, Israeli opposition leader, and former  Mossad agent, Tzipi Livni  has turned over to the Obama administration  the “complete dossier” of the ISA’s crimes against the American  government and people after having the leadership of Israel “stolen”  from her by Netanyahu, who through the ISA’s use of intimidation and  massive bribes forced upon the Israelis the most right-wing government  they have ever known.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These reports have come to light since last weeks arrest of a Mossad  agent named Sergey Aleynikov by the United States, who these reports  say stole from Goldman Sachs the most “complex and secretive stock  manipulating programme ever created” and turned it over to Livni, and  who in turn then gave copies of it to Russia, China and Germany.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Western news reports on the arrest of Aleynikov state that upon  learning of the theft of their “Doomsday Programme”, Goldman Sacks  ordered the US Government to arrest him, but as noted by the Bloomberg  News Service, “what was Goldman doing with this programme to begin  with”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Never let it be said that the Justice Department can’t move quickly  when it gets a hot tip about an alleged crime at a Wall Street bank.  It does help, though, if the party doing the complaining is the bank  itself, and not merely an aggrieved customer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another plus is if the bank tells the feds the security of the U.S.  financial markets is at stake. This brings us to the strange tale of  Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Sergey Aleynikov.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aleynikov, 39, is the former Goldman computer programmer who was  arrested on theft charges July 3 as he stepped off a flight at Liberty  International Airport in Newark, New Jersey. That was two days after  Goldman told the government he had stolen its secret, rapid-fire,  stock- and commodities-trading software in early June during his last  week as a Goldman employee. Prosecutors say Aleynikov uploaded the  program code to an unidentified Web site server in Germany.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It wasn’t just Goldman that faced imminent harm if Aleynikov were to  be released, Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Facciponti told a federal  magistrate judge at his July 4 bail hearing in New York. The 34-year- old prosecutor also dropped this bombshell: “The bank has raised the  possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use  this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How could somebody do this? The precise answer isn’t obvious — we’re  talking about a black-box trading system here.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To the power that the ISA led Goldman Sachs bank has had over the US  in allowing them to steal nearly the entire wealth of that Nation has  been devastatingly detailed by the Rolling Stone Magazine News Service  in their report titled “The Great American Bubble: How Goldman Sachs  Has Engineered Every Major Market Manipulation Since The Great  Depression”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even worse for Americans is that their new President  Barak Obama has so filled his administration with former Goldman Sachs  executives and lobbyists that Russian economists are now calling Wall  Street the “Fourth Branch Of The US Government”, and which includes  their current Treasury Secretary, his Chief of Staff, the former  Treasury Secretary under President Bush (who engineered the $700  Billion bailout of US banks), and the former Treasury Secretary under  President Clinton (who allowed the deregulation of US banks allowing  them to loot the American public of their wealth in the first place).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most important to note in this report are the details describing how  Goldman Sachs “Doomsday Programme” was “created” by ISA programmers  working under the Chairman of the Israeli National Security Council,  Dr. Uzi Arad, his wife, Dr. Ruth Arad, Vice President and Chief Risk  Officer of Bank Leumi, and Jacob Ezra Merkin, who bought the Bank  Leumi from the Israeli government headed by then Prime Minister Ariel  Sharon and finance minister Ehud Olmert, who became Israel’s Prime  Minister after Sharon but was forced to step down while under  corruption charges allowing Netanyahu to steal the Premiership from  Livni.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to banking profits especially at Goldman Sachs, there was a story that appeared on Bloomberg on 7/3 and then was hushed up and never appeared on any other MSM site. Today while doing some surfing, I came across this piece that was an eye opener.</p>
<p>Russia Reports Massive $18 Trillion Theft Of US Funds By Israeli Backed Network</p>
<p>A stunning FSB report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the  largest theft in World history has been engineered by the Israel  Security Agency (ISA) under the direction of current Israeli Prime  Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Australian media oligarch Rupert Murdoch  and the US investment bank giant Goldman Sachs that has stolen from  American mutual and pension fund account holders over $18 Trillion  through a device known as “the Doomsday box”.</p>
<p>According to these reports, Israeli opposition leader, and former  Mossad agent, Tzipi Livni  has turned over to the Obama administration  the “complete dossier” of the ISA’s crimes against the American  government and people after having the leadership of Israel “stolen”  from her by Netanyahu, who through the ISA’s use of intimidation and  massive bribes forced upon the Israelis the most right-wing government  they have ever known.</p>
<p>These reports have come to light since last weeks arrest of a Mossad  agent named Sergey Aleynikov by the United States, who these reports  say stole from Goldman Sachs the most “complex and secretive stock  manipulating programme ever created” and turned it over to Livni, and  who in turn then gave copies of it to Russia, China and Germany.</p>
<p>Western news reports on the arrest of Aleynikov state that upon  learning of the theft of their “Doomsday Programme”, Goldman Sacks  ordered the US Government to arrest him, but as noted by the Bloomberg  News Service, “what was Goldman doing with this programme to begin  with”?</p>
<p>“Never let it be said that the Justice Department can’t move quickly  when it gets a hot tip about an alleged crime at a Wall Street bank.  It does help, though, if the party doing the complaining is the bank  itself, and not merely an aggrieved customer.</p>
<p>Another plus is if the bank tells the feds the security of the U.S.  financial markets is at stake. This brings us to the strange tale of  Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Sergey Aleynikov.</p>
<p>Aleynikov, 39, is the former Goldman computer programmer who was  arrested on theft charges July 3 as he stepped off a flight at Liberty  International Airport in Newark, New Jersey. That was two days after  Goldman told the government he had stolen its secret, rapid-fire,  stock- and commodities-trading software in early June during his last  week as a Goldman employee. Prosecutors say Aleynikov uploaded the  program code to an unidentified Web site server in Germany.</p>
<p>It wasn’t just Goldman that faced imminent harm if Aleynikov were to  be released, Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Facciponti told a federal  magistrate judge at his July 4 bail hearing in New York. The 34-year- old prosecutor also dropped this bombshell: “The bank has raised the  possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use  this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways.”</p>
<p>How could somebody do this? The precise answer isn’t obvious — we’re  talking about a black-box trading system here.”</p>
<p>To the power that the ISA led Goldman Sachs bank has had over the US  in allowing them to steal nearly the entire wealth of that Nation has  been devastatingly detailed by the Rolling Stone Magazine News Service  in their report titled “The Great American Bubble: How Goldman Sachs  Has Engineered Every Major Market Manipulation Since The Great  Depression”.</p>
<p>Even worse for Americans is that their new President  Barak Obama has so filled his administration with former Goldman Sachs  executives and lobbyists that Russian economists are now calling Wall  Street the “Fourth Branch Of The US Government”, and which includes  their current Treasury Secretary, his Chief of Staff, the former  Treasury Secretary under President Bush (who engineered the $700  Billion bailout of US banks), and the former Treasury Secretary under  President Clinton (who allowed the deregulation of US banks allowing  them to loot the American public of their wealth in the first place).</p>
<p>Most important to note in this report are the details describing how  Goldman Sachs “Doomsday Programme” was “created” by ISA programmers  working under the Chairman of the Israeli National Security Council,  Dr. Uzi Arad, his wife, Dr. Ruth Arad, Vice President and Chief Risk  Officer of Bank Leumi, and Jacob Ezra Merkin, who bought the Bank  Leumi from the Israeli government headed by then Prime Minister Ariel  Sharon and finance minister Ehud Olmert, who became Israel’s Prime  Minister after Sharon but was forced to step down while under  corruption charges allowing Netanyahu to steal the Premiership from  Livni.</p>
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		<title>By: RobW</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1938811</link>
		<dc:creator>RobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Loans are falling at all three, with a small upward rise in the first quarter.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate to point out something that refutes the premise of this article because I do think that the banks are picking our pockets but if I look at the numbers in the table, they do not back up your statement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While JPMorgan is down in both categories and CITI is down significantly in consumer lending, BankAmerica is up in both categories and CITI is up significantly in corporate lending.  This is just basic math. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Presumably this is just a typo, because otherwise it means that you didn’t read the numbers that you posted because that is how the wingnuts work and we are better than that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Loans are falling at all three, with a small upward rise in the first quarter.</p>
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<p>I hate to point out something that refutes the premise of this article because I do think that the banks are picking our pockets but if I look at the numbers in the table, they do not back up your statement.</p>
<p>While JPMorgan is down in both categories and CITI is down significantly in consumer lending, BankAmerica is up in both categories and CITI is up significantly in corporate lending.  This is just basic math. </p>
<p>Presumably this is just a typo, because otherwise it means that you didn’t read the numbers that you posted because that is how the wingnuts work and we are better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: gtomkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>gtomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s a religious question&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can’t refute axioms with syllogisms.  And most people in this country just know, from some place prior to all empirical evidence, that folks who can make billions in our economy are the only people who know what they’re doing, the people who have to be allowed to dictate relevant public policy if we are to have competent governance of our economy.  No amount of evidence of self-dealing by these Masters of the Universe can refute this religious belief, because a consequence of the axiom that the wealthy got that way via superior competence, is that it still makes sense for us to follow their lead no matter how much they steal, because this economy that lets us all be born on third base compared to the third world is that way because we give these folks free rein.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CRL doesn’t lose because it’s outgunned.  If the ammo in this fight were empirical evidence, no matter what the handicap in staffing, the CRL would be butchering the industry because the industry’s soldiers would be out of ammo.  The problem is a way of thinking prior to the evidence, a state religion that has most of us worshipping Mammon, and imputing infallibility on the favored children of Mammon as evidenced by their earning ability.  It’s a self-sealing delusion that will only be shattered when the world it has built founders.  Things won’t change until the great god Mammon fails.  It’s going to have to get much worse, world-ending worse, so bad that people in this country can no longer believe that we were born on third base, before CRL will start winning arguments in Congress.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a religious question</p>
<p>You can’t refute axioms with syllogisms.  And most people in this country just know, from some place prior to all empirical evidence, that folks who can make billions in our economy are the only people who know what they’re doing, the people who have to be allowed to dictate relevant public policy if we are to have competent governance of our economy.  No amount of evidence of self-dealing by these Masters of the Universe can refute this religious belief, because a consequence of the axiom that the wealthy got that way via superior competence, is that it still makes sense for us to follow their lead no matter how much they steal, because this economy that lets us all be born on third base compared to the third world is that way because we give these folks free rein.</p>
<p>CRL doesn’t lose because it’s outgunned.  If the ammo in this fight were empirical evidence, no matter what the handicap in staffing, the CRL would be butchering the industry because the industry’s soldiers would be out of ammo.  The problem is a way of thinking prior to the evidence, a state religion that has most of us worshipping Mammon, and imputing infallibility on the favored children of Mammon as evidenced by their earning ability.  It’s a self-sealing delusion that will only be shattered when the world it has built founders.  Things won’t change until the great god Mammon fails.  It’s going to have to get much worse, world-ending worse, so bad that people in this country can no longer believe that we were born on third base, before CRL will start winning arguments in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/19/banks-profit-while-loans-drop/#comment-1938747</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This has become a recurring theme.  The war supplemental, the energy bill with its cap-and-trade, healthcare, economic policy, in every case, we hear a promise of change but the actual legislation reflects the failed policies of the past.  Glass-Steagall is not a panacaea but until we see a real and meaningful push to get it re-imposed we will know that financial reform is just another another of these co-opted examples.  We will, of course, not see serious reform either until Geithner and Summers are gone and more than that replaced by those who are and have been right about what is going on in the economy, i.e. not the Washington Establishment or the Wall Street elites.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has become a recurring theme.  The war supplemental, the energy bill with its cap-and-trade, healthcare, economic policy, in every case, we hear a promise of change but the actual legislation reflects the failed policies of the past.  Glass-Steagall is not a panacaea but until we see a real and meaningful push to get it re-imposed we will know that financial reform is just another another of these co-opted examples.  We will, of course, not see serious reform either until Geithner and Summers are gone and more than that replaced by those who are and have been right about what is going on in the economy, i.e. not the Washington Establishment or the Wall Street elites.</p>
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		<title>By: nahant</title>
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		<dc:creator>nahant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I used to do that but…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to do that but…</p>
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		<title>By: PPDCUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PPDCUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cycling without motors&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cycling without motors</p>
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