Howard Dean: Roughly 50% of the Afghan people are women. They will be condemned to conditions which are very much like slavery and serfdom in a 12th century model of society where they have no rights whatsoever. So I’m not saying we have to invade every country that doesn’t treat women as equal, but we’re there now we have a responsibility, and if we leave women will experience the most extraordinary deprivations of any population on the face of the earth. I think we have some obligation to see if we can try and make this work. Not just for America and our security interests, but for the sake of women in Afghanistan and all around the globe. Is this acceptable to treat women like this? I think not.”
Amy Goodman: We just interviewed an afghan parliamentarian, Dr. Wardak and she said the opposite. She said that yes, she agrees with you on the way women are treated, but this is worsening the treatment–that the increased number of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, the huge number of troops that are coming in right now, are alienating the Afghan population.
Governor Dean, have you asked Afghan women if they agree that our expanding war in Afghanistan is “an obligation. . . for the sake of women in Afghanistan and all around the globe?”
The women of “a farming family in the village of Tawalla” would tell you something different today:
“When we reached the garden, the helicopter shot at us and injured three of my brothers, one sister, my mother, father and sister-in-law, and killed Rahmania, a 4-year-old girl,” he said.
“I do not know the reason; we did not hear any fighting that night, and there are not any Taliban in our village,” he said. “It was a very frightening night for us — we could all have been killed.”
His father, Niamatullah, 46, … found seven members of his family lying wounded on the ground in the orchard, including four of his sons, his wife, his sister-in-law and her daughter.
He listed four neighbors, all farmers in their 20s and 30s, who he said were killed in the attack, besides Rahmania, his cousin’s daughter. Haystacks and wood piles caught fire from the gunfire, which continued until 3 a.m., he said.
The Governor of Kandahar told the CBC that:
"There were some casualties. There was a total number of 17. Four were dead," Kandahar Gov. Tooryalai Wesa said Friday."Thirteen were wounded people. That includes, unfortunately, very young kids like one-year-old, three-year-old and six years old."
Perhaps Governor Dean would like to talk to the mothers of those “very young kids”?
Or perhaps he’d speak with Afghan women leaders like Mariam Rawi of the Revolutionary Association of Women of Afghanistan, or Malalai Joya, the Afghan member of Parliament who was forced from her seat by US-backed warlords because she was too outspoken about the need to protect women?
Joya has been quite clear about how best we can show our support for the women of Afghanistan: stop the war.
Instead, Governor Dean’s statements become another piece of the push for expanding the war in the same week that Secretary of Defense Gates is already speculating that even more troops, above the limits set by President Obama, will be sent to Afghanistan this year, while Adm. Mullen repeats McChrystal’s happy talk claims about protecting civilians – claims we have heard over and over during the past several years. Claims which continue today.
Governor Dean, your voice has been such an important one on so many progressive issues. Today, you were instead repeating the pro-war propaganda that substitutes the voices of US hawks for the legitimate voices of the women of Afghanistan.
Please listen to those women – and help their voices be heard.
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Siun, when you say something like she was forced from her seat by US-backed warlords, are you neglecting to consider how she got a seat?
Joya was elected by the people from the province of Farah – she is now under threat of assassination or rape by the warlords and has been refused the right to sit in Parliament.
I find it impossible to believe that Afghan women prefer the Taliban.
Are you asking us to believe that the warlords have the backing of the US in threatening her?
Are you considering how it is that she could have been elected?
As Rawa says “Neither the US nor Jehadies and Taliban, Long Live the Struggle of Independent and Democratic forces of Afghanistan!”
http://www.rawa.org/events/sevenyear_e.htm
Is that what you think will happen? If the US withdraws then Afghanistan will likely become an independent democracy?
That is for the people of Afghanistan to decide.
Joya is one of the bravest, most inspirational people I have ever heard of. If HRC had only had half of her guts.
I’m not trying to be argumentative here, but this makes no sense. Does this woman believe that if the U.S. pulls out, the Taliban will just leave everybody alone? Come on!
American bullets, bombs, and drones aren’t protecting civilians.
They are assassinating civilians.
Well, I’m not so sure. I think it would likely be the warlords who decide.
I’d recommend reading the links in the post to both Joya and Rawi – and watching the video – to get a better sense of what women are saying. When the Taliban were in power, it was RAWA that went underground, provided schools and support for women – and paid the price in lives. They are now very clear in what they think is wrong and how the US war is not helping but hurting. They have no illusions that things will suddenly become peachy – they (unlike us) know precisely the danger and horror women face since they face it themselves. So paying attention to their voices makes the most sense of all to me.
Liberal hawks are always arguing for wars to “protect” people who do not want our wars of protection – I guess it makes them feel good but it hurts the very people they claim to care so much about.
Again, read and listen to what they have to say, not what american politicians and generals say.
So long as we arm and fund the warlords, you may be right – the Afghan women ask us to stop doing just that.
(I have a meeting I have to get to – will reply more later)
Generals always want more warmaking. We must stop listening to the generals.
We’re doing more protecting civilians than killing civilians.
Well okay, but if we pull out, they’ll struggle alright, but it won’t be for long.
Yes, it’s really important to call Howard Dean out on this, given his important role crafting foreign policy.
If you want to hold Democrats to account for being wrong, lets keep our focus on the ones currently in office who are actually setting back the progressive agenda… rather than a guy who’s spending 90% of his time exploding myths about health care reform.
Focus, people.
I can only assume that by “protecting civilians” McChrystal means “killing them.”
“If they’re dead, they’re terrorists.”
For once in my life, in 1972 and 1973, I won a lottery and DID NOT have to go to Vietnam–the quagmire to end all quagmires. Now we have yet another only about 40 years later. Just as we have the Great Depression II only 75 years later. See Jared Diamond’s “Collapse” for collective memory loss destroying civilizations. (I’m one of the 600,000 laid off each month since December. I’m out of work nearly six months now and going incrementally crazier each day, with a wife and a 9-year-old to shelter and feed and keep healthy. It IS Great Depression II!!). The trouble is that our economy needs war to keep its head above water and humans need their lusts, which include blood and sex lusts (see Chris Hedges’ work on Bosnia-Serbia) and power lust. At 54, I would join the Army or Marines so I would be EMPLOYED–that’s where the money is. But no one wins wars except when an Adolf Hitler is involved, and I see no clear enemy here. http://crush.typepad.com (emasculation-blues)
http://apocalypse-blues.typepad.com/
i heard the interview this morning and was furious with dean’s pro-war statements (dr. dean also completely misrepresented single payer, but that’s another story).
thank you so much for this post, siun.
Come on, Selise, Dean is not “PRO-war” any more than he is “PRO-abortion.”
his statements this morning re afghanistan were pro-war (i was shocked to hear them!). but i don’t think dean is pro-war in general, since he was anti the iraq war.
A little dose of common sense: Dean is supporting the war and the continued buildup of troops. In the real world, this is being pro-war, and since it is in Afghanistan that we are waging war to get the terrorists – and good luck with that – this means that Dean is pro-this-war.
Siun, thanks for this. Generalized talking points from US military patriarchy vs. actuality.
Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom:
http://www.wilpf.org/2009MayStatementOnAfghanistan
and
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/10-14
Malalai Joya says Afghanistan has become a “mafia state”!
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It’s unbelievable how often you have to hear “Yankee go home” before you actually do go home, but you will, and Afghan women will still be where they are now.
It would be unfortunate if the Afghan women aren’t in a better state before we leave them.
I have held Dr. Dean in high regard for years, in part because he has been willing to speak truth to power on such critical issues as the Iraq invasion and health care reform.
In this case, however, he is wrong in a very profound way. He has reduced himself and joins the chorus of comfortable old white guys telling women how to live and when to die.