Comments on: Principled Conservatism: American Conservative Union Caught Whoring Itself Out to Highest Bidder http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:14:14 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: daphnechyprious http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937447 daphnechyprious Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:20:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937447 <p>Too late for Norquist to drown the org.’s credibility. It entered the sewer long ago.</p> Too late for Norquist to drown the org.’s credibility. It entered the sewer long ago.

]]> By: Legion303 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937315 Legion303 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:33:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937315 <p>I don’t know either. All I got from the writeup was that UPS can suck my dick from now on.</p> I don’t know either. All I got from the writeup was that UPS can suck my dick from now on.

]]> By: Jo Fish http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937314 Jo Fish Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:52:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937314 <p>I guess Brown is the color of what the ACU is delivering for UPS…</p> I guess Brown is the color of what the ACU is delivering for UPS…

]]> By: PapaZita http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937313 PapaZita Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:47:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937313 <p>They sure did.</p> They sure did.

]]> By: MrCleaveland http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937312 MrCleaveland Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:37:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937312 <p>Excuse my ignorance, but I don’t get it. Why would UPS or FedEx want editorials from the ACU? Why would either want to pay for an endorsement? What is the underlying issue?</p> Excuse my ignorance, but I don’t get it. Why would UPS or FedEx want editorials from the ACU? Why would either want to pay for an endorsement? What is the underlying issue?

]]> By: bonkers http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937311 bonkers Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:23:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937311 <p>President Obama has a pretty long history, especially when running against Clinton and McInsane, of liking the “give ‘em enough rope to hang themselves” approach. At least in campaigning, this strategy delivered very positive results.</p> <p>I’ve wondered if some of this could be happening with the various issues that have come up with the Big Banks, war-mongering military brass, DLCers and Public Option, etc.</p> <p>Obama can now say he operated in good faith with these folks, took their advice and trusted them to behave responsibly and deliver results they said they were going to deliver, but we now are seeing that these people are simply wrong and untrustworthy, which we all knew would be the case, and I think Obama probably guessed they’d respond this way, but gave them a chance at least.</p> <p>Now after this bad behaviour, it’s possible for President Obama to start pushing for big reform in banking, Afghan/Iraq, etc. and say, “Hey, you had every chance in the world to operate in good faith and you screwed us. Time to lower the boom.” Not sure that if he would’ve done this from the beginning that any of it would’ve worked. Yes, I realize this sentiment will be mocked as 42-dimension underwater upside down handcuffed chess in a pool of hungry sharks, but there’s a lot of evidence of this approach working and of Obama employing it.</p> <p>Sure, campaign tactics can’t always be directly applied to governing, but certainly seems to be playing out this way to me. Time will tell of course…</p> President Obama has a pretty long history, especially when running against Clinton and McInsane, of liking the “give ‘em enough rope to hang themselves” approach. At least in campaigning, this strategy delivered very positive results.

I’ve wondered if some of this could be happening with the various issues that have come up with the Big Banks, war-mongering military brass, DLCers and Public Option, etc.

Obama can now say he operated in good faith with these folks, took their advice and trusted them to behave responsibly and deliver results they said they were going to deliver, but we now are seeing that these people are simply wrong and untrustworthy, which we all knew would be the case, and I think Obama probably guessed they’d respond this way, but gave them a chance at least.

Now after this bad behaviour, it’s possible for President Obama to start pushing for big reform in banking, Afghan/Iraq, etc. and say, “Hey, you had every chance in the world to operate in good faith and you screwed us. Time to lower the boom.” Not sure that if he would’ve done this from the beginning that any of it would’ve worked. Yes, I realize this sentiment will be mocked as 42-dimension underwater upside down handcuffed chess in a pool of hungry sharks, but there’s a lot of evidence of this approach working and of Obama employing it.

Sure, campaign tactics can’t always be directly applied to governing, but certainly seems to be playing out this way to me. Time will tell of course…

]]> By: gtomkins http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937310 gtomkins Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:23:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937310 <p>Temple Prostitution</p> <p>If you or I sold our very persons to the wealthy, yes, that would be whoring. But if you believe, as do the grave worthies of the ACU, that Wealth is Truth, and Beauty, and the two forever reconciled, then letting Wealth take you to use for its pleasure is a sacred act, and not prostitution. </p> <p>Okay, maybe it’s temple prostitution. Someone ask The Anchoress to clear up this question for us, please.</p> Temple Prostitution

If you or I sold our very persons to the wealthy, yes, that would be whoring. But if you believe, as do the grave worthies of the ACU, that Wealth is Truth, and Beauty, and the two forever reconciled, then letting Wealth take you to use for its pleasure is a sacred act, and not prostitution.

Okay, maybe it’s temple prostitution. Someone ask The Anchoress to clear up this question for us, please.

]]> By: SkepticRising http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937309 SkepticRising Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:23:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937309 <p>Does anyone know if UPS paid them?</p> Does anyone know if UPS paid them?

]]> By: Badwater http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937308 Badwater Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:15:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937308 <p>There’s really no such thing as ‘principled conservatives’. Conservativism is really just a formula for making statements and answering questions. It’s a pretty simple formula, so people like Bush and Palin are able to appear knowledgeable when speaking about it. ‘Principled’ implies that the conservative person actually lives by the rules of the belief system. That never happens.</p> There’s really no such thing as ‘principled conservatives’. Conservativism is really just a formula for making statements and answering questions. It’s a pretty simple formula, so people like Bush and Palin are able to appear knowledgeable when speaking about it. ‘Principled’ implies that the conservative person actually lives by the rules of the belief system. That never happens.

]]> By: Twain http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937307 Twain Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:13:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/17/principled-conservatism-american-conservative-union-caught-whoring-itself-out-to-highest-bidder/#comment-1937307 <p>Reminds me. I saw Jane Pauley in a hotel in NY having lunch alone - she was just lovely and smiled at everyone.</p> Reminds me. I saw Jane Pauley in a hotel in NY having lunch alone – she was just lovely and smiled at everyone.

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