Right now companies don’t want to hire because they don’t know they can sell their products. That kills their stock value and it collapses. Money isn’t moving.

Preferable is for consumers to have cash, so companies will know they can sell their products and they’ll employ people to produce. If they can do that their company’s stock will be valuable and it’s price will rise.

What will change the minds of business leaders, so that they *believe* there will be customers for their products?

The stimulus doesn’t just inject cash into the system, though in a more severe emergency that is an option, it requires production which is of value. That pushes cash through the economy and it touches many hands. It also isn’t particularly inflationary since real production is occurring in exchange for cash.

What would cause the economy to work better without gov’t help?

If investors would put money into banks, so they could lend to businesses at low rates, then businesses wouldn’t require as much courage to produce and try to sell their goods & services. It’s still a matter of some faith that consumers will be there. How do they know consumers will have cash to buy?

It seems at time that ALL businesses are waiting, waiting for someone else to invest in production first. Nobody wants to risk jumping into the water until it’s been proven safe. There a sound reason too. Just because you’re paying YOUR employees and THEY will have cash to buy stuff doesn’t mean OTHER employees will have cash to buy YOUR products.

How do you ever know when enough of your potential customers have the cash and would be willing to buy your products?

Q: Is it enough for gov’t to create a good environment for business or is there a requirement for gov’t to push it along (to overcome the natural hesitancy of businesses to invest in employees and plant)?

Q: Is the cost of borrowing prohibitive?

Q: What is prohibitive if you’re not certain you’ll have customers?

Q: What uncertainty exists and can be overcome by natural business environment factors?

Q: What uncertainty can only be overcome by CERTAIN gov’t action?

Q: Would it focus lending better by RAISING interest rates, so that only those most likely to find these times to be an opportunity could get all the capital they might need?

It’s a tough time for a lot of people, but in this real world we should think about bigger concepts than just micro-issues of the day.

Of course, this probably can’t be done overnight because there’s a lot of law on that issue and because all of these significant reforms need time to work their way through the world’s economy for us to know their real effects. The health insurance reform alone could take 10-15 years. But, as we do other lesser reforms along the way we should see their effects within a couple of years.

Okay, so why aren’t these people aren’t hiring and and inovating and putting people back to work now. If they are doing so well now, and are frightened that they won’t be able to hire, or inovate or whatever if their taxes are raised….
My question is what are they doing now?

Blue Collar Americans understood the cause/effect of these issues for generations, until the carefully constructed plan to take over the message machine started bearing fruit for BigMoney. It’s always been that way to some degree, but in response to the 1950s-60s social upheaval, they decided to take it over all the way. It’s been in full effect for a couple of decades now, with Lush Limpbaugh, pretty much every major TV “news” outlet, the AP (recently), Fox Newz, etc. setting our national discourse.

Thus, we have Joe6Pack voting against his self-interest every election, and not understanding the issues he so strongly pontificates about, such as “trickle-down” being good for him. All part of the plan.

Look in other countries where the mass media hasn’t taken basically every aspect of most people’s lives. Just in Honduras today, the blue collared people might’ve just reclaimed their country:
http://narcosphere.narconews.c…..e-honduras

We’re making some inroads with this New Media, but damn, we got so far to go…

the wealthy spend a far smaller percentage of their wage then the middle and lower class, that unspent wage doesn’t get re-taxed to local, state, useage fees

even at that rate they pay less

this is something the democrats miss, we actually could have a “flat tax” if consumption was included in that tax

in other words, take away local, state, school tax, useage fees and then fund charge that tax that would still pay for necessary government services, that would then represent a true flat tax and it would be fine, the problem is the “flat tax” is never represented in that form, they want consumption taxes which are obviously taxes on the poor

They ain’t gonna Galt. No way.