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	<title>Comments on: WSJ Editorial: The Government Doesn&#8217;t Fix Our Cars, So Why Should It Provide Universal Health Care?</title>
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		<title>By: Legion303</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legion303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Together with the Church of Scientology […]”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Epic fail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Together with the Church of Scientology […]”</p>
<p>Epic fail.</p>
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		<title>By: textynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>textynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We can either have Universal Health care or we can demand that everyone gets a living wage in which health care costs are easily covered. The Have-mores want cheap cheap labor and they’ve worked hard to keep wages low.  Well compartmentalize peoples’ needs and make them available through various programs or make it a law that if you want a human being in your store, plant, or office that means you pay for it. A human being needs upkeep and needs to trade their time for a way to live in safety with health care. You don’t want to pay for health care, demand much higher wages so people don’t have to suffer and die without health care. Simple.  Even slave owners took care of their slaves’ health to protect their investment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can either have Universal Health care or we can demand that everyone gets a living wage in which health care costs are easily covered. The Have-mores want cheap cheap labor and they’ve worked hard to keep wages low.  Well compartmentalize peoples’ needs and make them available through various programs or make it a law that if you want a human being in your store, plant, or office that means you pay for it. A human being needs upkeep and needs to trade their time for a way to live in safety with health care. You don’t want to pay for health care, demand much higher wages so people don’t have to suffer and die without health care. Simple.  Even slave owners took care of their slaves’ health to protect their investment.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t want a Mercedes. Republicans love straw men…just love ‘em to death.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WSJ editorial:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our health-care system rests on the principle that, although we own our bodies, the community or state ought to be responsible for paying the cost of repairing them. This is for the ostensibly noble purpose of redistributing the potentially ruinous expense of the medical care of unfortunate individuals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think of ‘owning my body’. It IS me, not a suit of clothes or a Mercedes I can do without.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The system also does NOT “rest on the principle” that “the community or state ought to be responsible for paying the cost of repairing them”. The system rests on the principle that pain and suffering from illness and accident is bad and should be alleviated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, the U.S. Constitution says the government is in part to “Provide for the General Welfare” of the People. One way of doing that is to enable doctors and hospitals to do what they do and another is to enable corporations, in particular insurance companies, to help people pay for their care and another, we are now seeing, is to provide insurance plans at prices people can afford when the private sector does not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We, as a people, choose, in general, to “Provide” by enabling one another to provide products and services for one another. In some instances, such as national defense, the government acts directly. In this healthcare reform we are continuing to enable private caregivers, insurers and employers to help people, while directly helping those who can’t help themselves. Even there the public option is only enabling and not financial assistance. It’s just the expansion of Medicaid which directly helps the poor. We endeavor to keep the ’safety net’ part of government programs small.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It sounds to me like the WSJ needs a better class of editorialist.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t want a Mercedes. Republicans love straw men…just love ‘em to death.</p>
<p>WSJ editorial:</p>
<blockquote><p>Our health-care system rests on the principle that, although we own our bodies, the community or state ought to be responsible for paying the cost of repairing them. This is for the ostensibly noble purpose of redistributing the potentially ruinous expense of the medical care of unfortunate individuals.</p>
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<p>I don’t think of ‘owning my body’. It IS me, not a suit of clothes or a Mercedes I can do without.</p>
<p>The system also does NOT “rest on the principle” that “the community or state ought to be responsible for paying the cost of repairing them”. The system rests on the principle that pain and suffering from illness and accident is bad and should be alleviated.</p>
<p>But, the U.S. Constitution says the government is in part to “Provide for the General Welfare” of the People. One way of doing that is to enable doctors and hospitals to do what they do and another is to enable corporations, in particular insurance companies, to help people pay for their care and another, we are now seeing, is to provide insurance plans at prices people can afford when the private sector does not.</p>
<p>We, as a people, choose, in general, to “Provide” by enabling one another to provide products and services for one another. In some instances, such as national defense, the government acts directly. In this healthcare reform we are continuing to enable private caregivers, insurers and employers to help people, while directly helping those who can’t help themselves. Even there the public option is only enabling and not financial assistance. It’s just the expansion of Medicaid which directly helps the poor. We endeavor to keep the ’safety net’ part of government programs small.</p>
<p>It sounds to me like the WSJ needs a better class of editorialist.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thomas Szasz? Is he back from the dead? He was already ancient back in ancient times when I got my psych degree. He actually made some points worth debating back then, but he carried it to a ludicrous extreme.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t imagine anyone on the WSJ editorial staff has any trouble getting health care - or repairs on their beemer, for that matter. As for the analogy, government doesn’t repair our cars but it does provide some public transportation, since they are the only ones who can do it. A lot of it is crap, though, so we need a lot more of it, not less, and a lot better. I can replace a car or do without one, but we need SOME transportation. Not so with my body. And I’m not going to be suddenly hit with a $20,000.00 car repair, which will kill me if I don’t get it fixed. I do, however, require basic car insurance, which is another reform story. And I do want health care, not symptom swatting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Szasz? Is he back from the dead? He was already ancient back in ancient times when I got my psych degree. He actually made some points worth debating back then, but he carried it to a ludicrous extreme.</p>
<p>I don’t imagine anyone on the WSJ editorial staff has any trouble getting health care &#8211; or repairs on their beemer, for that matter. As for the analogy, government doesn’t repair our cars but it does provide some public transportation, since they are the only ones who can do it. A lot of it is crap, though, so we need a lot more of it, not less, and a lot better. I can replace a car or do without one, but we need SOME transportation. Not so with my body. And I’m not going to be suddenly hit with a $20,000.00 car repair, which will kill me if I don’t get it fixed. I do, however, require basic car insurance, which is another reform story. And I do want health care, not symptom swatting.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinHayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinHayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shorter Szasz: “we Scientologists are wealthy and we don’t like to share with anyone but our church. And we intend to use our wingnut connections to use any lame arguments we can because poor and sick people whose resources have run out can pound sand.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Szasz: “we Scientologists are wealthy and we don’t like to share with anyone but our church. And we intend to use our wingnut connections to use any lame arguments we can because poor and sick people whose resources have run out can pound sand.”</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Leave it to the WSJ to conflate apples and guavas to muddy the public policy waters. The government takes a significant stake in public transportation, without which businesses, goods and people don’t run. Who does it think paid for the lion’s share of interstate roads, bridges, rail, airports and ports?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The government mandates minimal standards for safe vehicles, for mileage standards, and for their safe production and distribution. It regulates interstate commerce and freight charges.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Narrowing the issue to personal transportation vehicles of choice doesn’t much help their argument. How you get to work, be it moped, ten-year old Taurus or armored limo, doesn’t affect public health. It has no impact on schools, hospitals, public and private offices, the avoidance of pandemics or the maintenance of competitive levels of productivity by having healthier, safer, more secure family lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The WSJ doesn’t much care what the government spends taxpayers’ money on, so long as it goes to the Right people, exactly the right people, and no one else - and that it get nothing back in exchange for it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s OpEd pieces like this - on a page that David Brooks used to edit - that should inform his readers where he really comes from.  Public intellectual, objective, principled conservative my ass.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to the WSJ to conflate apples and guavas to muddy the public policy waters. The government takes a significant stake in public transportation, without which businesses, goods and people don’t run. Who does it think paid for the lion’s share of interstate roads, bridges, rail, airports and ports?</p>
<p>The government mandates minimal standards for safe vehicles, for mileage standards, and for their safe production and distribution. It regulates interstate commerce and freight charges.</p>
<p>Narrowing the issue to personal transportation vehicles of choice doesn’t much help their argument. How you get to work, be it moped, ten-year old Taurus or armored limo, doesn’t affect public health. It has no impact on schools, hospitals, public and private offices, the avoidance of pandemics or the maintenance of competitive levels of productivity by having healthier, safer, more secure family lives.</p>
<p>The WSJ doesn’t much care what the government spends taxpayers’ money on, so long as it goes to the Right people, exactly the right people, and no one else &#8211; and that it get nothing back in exchange for it.</p>
<p>It’s OpEd pieces like this &#8211; on a page that David Brooks used to edit &#8211; that should inform his readers where he really comes from.  Public intellectual, objective, principled conservative my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, psychiatry has gotten far worse along the lines alluded to, particularly, the institutionalization of mental health cases.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, psychiatry has gotten far worse along the lines alluded to, particularly, the institutionalization of mental health cases.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, I’m surprised Szasz was published in WSJ.  Psychiatry is big business.  You could never accuse Szasz of being a dispensary doctor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I’m surprised Szasz was published in WSJ.  Psychiatry is big business.  You could never accuse Szasz of being a dispensary doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Szasz’s opinions have some value in confronting the failure of 12 step programs to recognize that controlled drinking is an option for some recovering alcoholics. Abstinence is not the only solution to problem drinking and he’s one of the few MDs to acknowledge this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Szasz’s opinions have some value in confronting the failure of 12 step programs to recognize that controlled drinking is an option for some recovering alcoholics. Abstinence is not the only solution to problem drinking and he’s one of the few MDs to acknowledge this.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudonymousinnc</title>
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		<dc:creator>pseudonymousinnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Szasz’s initial assault on institutional mental health took place in a very different climate. I’m not defending him here, but &lt;i&gt;The Myth of Mental Illness&lt;/i&gt; ought to be seen in the context of institutional psychiatry in the 1960s and the reactions against it, e.g. Laing’s Kingsley Hall project.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was then, this is now. Psychiatry and mental health practice have changed. And now, Szasz is just a libertarian fuckwit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Szasz’s initial assault on institutional mental health took place in a very different climate. I’m not defending him here, but <i>The Myth of Mental Illness</i> ought to be seen in the context of institutional psychiatry in the 1960s and the reactions against it, e.g. Laing’s Kingsley Hall project.</p>
<p>That was then, this is now. Psychiatry and mental health practice have changed. And now, Szasz is just a libertarian fuckwit.</p>
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