You wondered if it would happen. To you. And then it did.
You met someone. You fell in love (both of you, with each other!) As you spent more time together, you imagined spending your lives together.
You planned a vacation together, because long ago on a vacation, you learned pretty quickly if people are meant (or able!) to spend long stretches of time together. Previously, this had worked out conclusively: not. But things seemed promising in new ways, this time, and worth a try. Best of all, you both agreed.
And so you explored the idea, and the actuality, of vacationing together. You booked a cruise, something new for both of you.
A cruise to Alaska, with a stop in Victoria, British Columbia. In another country, Canada, that suddenly was marrying everyone – even you two!
Thus your vacation cruise became an unexpected but glorious honeymoon: you got married on the northbound leg, at a magistrate’s office in Victoria. Married! Something you never thought would happen; you hadn’t ever wondered.
You returned home to the Golden State, knowing your marriage was foreign in many ways. Your state wouldn’t recognize it; your nation wouldn’t honor it. But you were lucky to have family, and also family of choice, who cherished your marriage despite its Northern hue.
That chatter from the marriage denialists about “just a piece of paper” you’d heard (and said!) while growing up was untrue: sure, it was a piece of paper, but not “just.” Being married made the two of you seem different – you were married, and that meant something apart from “committed” or “partnered” or “together.”
You were happy. Life was good.
You never expected it, but two years later your state’s Supreme Court ruled that marriages would be permitted. And they also ruled that marriages performed elsewhere – yours! – would be recognized as true, just as you had known all along it was. The state’s highest court was saying: this marriage, though Canadian, is valid.
But you worried. Prop 8 was on the ballot that fall. You could foresee your newly-valid-in-California marriage might be invalidated by the voters. Shouldn’t you two get married in California? Wouldn’t you breathe easier if (just like all the other California couples who were getting married now) you did, too?
If November’s voters then took away your right to marry, you would neverthless possess a legal California marriage license. Couldn’t hurt, right? You would have a piece of paper (there it was again!) to prove it.
But the county registrar would not marry you – you were already married, in a marriage now recognized by the state of California. “We can’t marry you – you’re already married!” you are told by the county registrar.
No California marriage license for you.
And that fall, a barely victorious Prop 8 snatched away marriage rights. The 18,000 marriage licenses issued before the November vote, the court says the following spring, are still valid. But is yours? You have a Canadian marriage certificate, one the court said was newly valid when it made marriage legal. It is dated long before California made a marriage like yours legal. But your marriage is still legal, isn’t it?
Are you back where you started? Married in Canada but not married in California? Or are you possibly worse off? Married in Canada, in a marriage once recognized in California, but with no way to prove it except by prevailing upon the goodwill of those you need to convince?
You have a marriage the court once said was valid. Your marriage is among those the court said they couldn’t address when upholding Prop 8 (since no one asked them to rule on its validity): a legal marriage performed elsewhere, long before California recognized it, subsequently recognized but not memorialized. And the time of marriage equality has passed.
Prop 8 opponents warned there would be “limbo marriages.” You wondered if it would happen.
To you.
Did it?
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Teddy!
More importantly, will California recognize my divorce??
Did you know that the first California constitution prohibited divorce? It’s true!
Betsy, is this a Penguin analogy? ROTFLMAO!!!!
Is that how Nevada was invented?
Thank you very much State of California. Full disclosure: daughter-west and partner are among the fortunate 18,000.
That must be before they came out with the show LA Law.
(btw, you have mail)
One of the more entertaining wedding cake toppers I’ve seen
I was wondering if repealing DOMA automatically affected this situation.
My! What could you possibly mean?!
I only recently learned that Nevada was carved out of the Utah Territory for folks in the western part who were frightened of a theocracy of Mormons.
You could be a penguin.
Fucking fucked up fuckery!
Of course, as long as a Supreme Court was willing to rule on the validity of the 18,000 marriages, there’s nothing to prevent a future Court from ruling them invalid. Courts shouldn’t be determining who gets fundamental human rights. As this Court, to its eternal shame, knows all too well.
But congratulations to Daughter-west and her partner!
Here ya go, Betsy. Cakes for a connoisseur such as yourself.
Savoy Truffle and Cake
You need to tell Teddy about the Penguins . . . if he don’t already know . . *G*
Till I lose a lot of weight, which I’m doing, I DO waddle a bit . . . LOL
But I HATE tuxedo’s . . .
FYI, there was a post earlier that backs up your assertion regarding political leanings among holders of PhDs.
Republicans Reject Science; Scientists Reject Republicans
Thank you!
The muumuu and giant straw hat are a bold fashion statement but somehow you manage to pull it off…”g”
The latest in an ongoing soap opera: Gay Divorce & Remarriage in Penguin Land!
Hard to pick a favorite but the basket of flowers is AMAZING.
As long as states have constitutional amendments prohibiting marriage equality, repealing DOMA won’t affect them, it’ll just make those states with marriage equality able to recognize others’ marriages. And grant federal benefits to marriages, including those performed in other countries. But my State Senator, Mark Leno, has introduced legislation to “mend” the Court’s non-ruling on the limbo marriages, as described at the link in the post.
There has been a trend in the polling data for many years, though as I said before, it is not a prefect correlation.
More like shake, waddle and roll! *G*
Having fun losing it, already. Been a month.
Got LOTS of newfound agility and flexability I’d forgotten I ever had! *G*
Mumu’s are foofoo . . . the only foofoo I want is a drink with a lil brolly in it!
Like THIS!
Thanks for the post Teddy. Good night firepups. I am now resolved to NOT sleep through the only non-100-degree portion of a Texas day.
The low regard for science by the general public and particularly the widespread skepticism of the theory of evolution doesn’t bode well. One of the upsides of the Cold War was that fear of being surpassed by the Soviets provided an impetus for science education in this country.
Splendid sleeping to you, TexBetsy.
And Teddy, I do NOT mean to disparage the gay marriage issue. It’s up there with all and any equality issues.
If you’ll recall, women’s rights, civil rights were BOTH fought in the streets with mass demonstrations and protests.
That’s what it usually takes. In this day and age, massive pressure on elected offals is ALSO a needed tactic. But bodies in the streets . . . organize.
And I know you know this . . . . just echoing support . . . I’ll be marching in the next effort here in Sacto.
But not in a tux. *G*
Same sex wedding party of the week, IMO.
night Betsy sleep well… Our Ac has brought down our temps from the high 80’s to the mid 60’s already… may have to close up the house.. tis real good for sleeping!!
America has a long tradition of anti-intellectualism going all the way back. Just one more of our cherished bigotries.
Night Betsy. Stay cool.
Goodnight Betsy. Stay cool!
Didn’t take it as disparagement; I have also written about the penguins. Specifically, how the Alameda School Board was encouraged to keep their story out of the “families” curriculum. Stupid comes in so many flavors!
That is the correct framing of the argument, consistently overlooked (unfortunately) by Big Media. Whether or not people approve of same sex marriage is irrelevant, it is un-Constitutional (and immoral) to deny any group of people equality for simply being in the minority.
Ah, now I recall you know about the Penguins!!! Thanks for the memory jolt, I DO recall you discussing that.
Best of luck, on all fronts. Preferably, not the D.I.V.O.R.C.E. one, either! *G*
25 years with my wife. Knew it in two weeks. Moved in together in two months.
Never looked back. And the future’s so bright . . . . well, you know the lyrics.
There’s NOTHING like a long term commitment that’s civil sanctioned. Everyone who wants one, deserves it under law!
*waves*
What ratfood said!!
Teddy,
History Lesson 101:
When dealing with Mormons always shout out “Mountain Meadows Massacre”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..s_massacre
The Utah Territory was divided up after the Mormons under the direct orders of Brigham Young Massacred a wagon train of settlers, stripped their bodies of all clothing, buried these men, women and children in a mass grave and sold Everything and used the money to build their “Sacred Temple”. Mormons blamed First Nations for these actions under oath from the beginning. God told them to Lie.
The federal troops sent in removed Young as governor and the area was under marshal law, Nevada was created to minimize the Mormon influence and power. Etched Copper Plates were discovered detailing the entire operation.
It’s a constant battle hoss, from 1215 to date.
A never ending one, this right to equality.
Never dreamt I’d see the erosion of all the gains made in the 50’s and 60’s though.
I thought we had them turned back on their heels . . . . alas.
Gotta run.
Namaste to all . . .
I think Teddy has more recent reason to hold the LDS church in low esteem.
G’nite. I’m heading out too, see y’all.
We all do. It was an assault on the rights of all of us. No one should have the right to impose their religious beliefs, or any part of them, on the rest of us.
Think I will join the herd. Take care all.
Free Republic commenters decide they’ve had enough of David Shuster calling out their racism directed at the Obama daughters with this masterpiece.
In Constitutional terms, it violates the 14th Amendment’s “equal protection” clause, and you could argue the 9th Amendment. I think people should cite the 9th Amendment more often:
It is from the 9th Amendment that the right to privacy originates. Conservatives who argue that there is no right to privacy hate the 9th Amendment. But you can see a construction of a right to privacy in such cases as:
1965 Griswold v. Connecticut (contraception for married couples)
1967 Loving v. Virgina (miscegenation)
1972 Eisenstadt v. Baird (contraception for singles)
1973 Roe v. Wade (abortion)
2003 Lawrence v. Texas (homosexuality)
They didn’t have to. The people of California, in their less than infinite wisdom, voted for the Imposition.
The rightwing’s Bill of Rights has only one amendment, oddly named The Second.
And, of course, when they are questioned by Congress or Grand Juries, The Fifth.
Read that on The raw Story Teddy! Talk about double standards!! Oh and don’t criticize them Free Speech ya know… Asswipes each and every one of them!!-
Hell, if ten commandments are too many for them, what chance do all these amendments stand.
Well, at least you didn’t get married in Prince Rupert.
;>)
More like Inquisition!! They are taking away the Rights of Citizens!! Which is my mind is akin to torture~!
You the hero(ine) of my story; I am not You.
darkblack ! I linked your SuperSecret Photo of Jeb earlier today
OT but thought I might mention the meetup on the 25th here in Redwood city!! I can be reached at nahanter at Da G mail thingy if you are interested in meeting and greeting some of the Pups you chat with here at the Lake… Don’t miss it it will surely be FUN for All!
Teddy !
What a nightmare, this whole equal rights mess … may it end soon !
Disparaging Anderson Cooper? The closeted Anderson Cooper worships at the throne of wingnuttia. Chris Mathews is also a great promoter of fascism – especially the element of fascism that describes the collusion of government and big business.
Both of those “journalists” are a gift to the cause of Free Republic.
Well, I’m still glad you didn’t get married in Prince Rupert.
;>)
…
Now, Petro, we wouldn’t want to cast unwarranted aspersions upon a public servant without defining some terms.
;>)
Didja have to use a slitted skirt ?!! *g*
A bit of leg helps define the concept, yes.
;>)
I will be there!
Does that make me a bigamist if I got married twice to the same woman in two different states of matrimony?
If I understood correctly the CA supreme court decision, their rationale for leaving the existing marriages in place was that prop 8 only affected marriages from then into the future. I would think, based on their argument, that if someone’s marriage was recognized in California before prop 8 it would still be valid based on this argument, though it might be necessary to go to court to establish that.
It remains an abiding mystery to outsiders that California, of all places, which we have been led to believe is teh capital of gay, should have put homophobia in its constitution. I hope that your marriage is ruled as valid as all here know it to be.
Good GAWD! Another reason to move to Canada, before they close the borders.