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		<title>By: MsAnnaNOLA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934552</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding Kelo: I studied economics and political science in school I was appalled by Kelo.  I was not appalled that public good could be subordinated to private rights in general it was that the government could take your property precisely because it was particularly valuable and wanted to develop it for its own ends. Those ends are “economic development”. The term economic development is very vague and open to individual interpretation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you look into what that case was about, it was about a small group of land owners who over time ended up being on prime waterfront property. Rather than leaving these fortunate souls alone, the government targeted their little patch of waterfront property for a re-development. Took their property and kicked them on the street. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The original idea behind immenent domain was so that if a highway needed to be built that it could be built. Here in New Orleans portions of people’s property is being taken by immenent domain to improve the levee system. These things are done because the property in question is unique in the world and the only way to improve that levee or build that highway is to take a person’s property. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the case of Kelo there was no necessity of taking those particular individuals property. There was a desire among powerful people in government to re-develop a particular neighborhood into something else. Most likely they wanted to increase the tax base or their friends wanted the contract for re-development. The point is that there was nothing particlar to that property that made them need it. They wanted those people’s property they did not need it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is a huge world of difference in my book. That court case is part of what really convinced me that the last election was about the supreme court. The Kelo decision proves that the court does not really consider the ramifications of its actions. To me the ramification of Kelo is that no property owner, and particularly not one of little means or power is safe from his or her land being taken. This is particularly true if the property is deemed valuable. Also remember that the government only gives you present value for the land. What if after the improvements they make it would be worth ten times as much? Tough. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In NOLA we are fighting over the old Charity and whether to build a new hospital complex. Curiously there is a two block area smack dab in the middle of the new complex that they are not proposing to take. Why do you think that is? Who owns that property? Probably the state. That land will be worth 10 times the value of today after the medical complex is built. Rather than build it on land they already have, they are proposing to bulldoze neighborhoods where people live that they plan on taking by immenent domain. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lesson: vague statutes and vague supreme court cases make for really crummy lives for the people that have to live with the results.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Kelo: I studied economics and political science in school I was appalled by Kelo.  I was not appalled that public good could be subordinated to private rights in general it was that the government could take your property precisely because it was particularly valuable and wanted to develop it for its own ends. Those ends are “economic development”. The term economic development is very vague and open to individual interpretation.</p>
<p>If you look into what that case was about, it was about a small group of land owners who over time ended up being on prime waterfront property. Rather than leaving these fortunate souls alone, the government targeted their little patch of waterfront property for a re-development. Took their property and kicked them on the street. </p>
<p>The original idea behind immenent domain was so that if a highway needed to be built that it could be built. Here in New Orleans portions of people’s property is being taken by immenent domain to improve the levee system. These things are done because the property in question is unique in the world and the only way to improve that levee or build that highway is to take a person’s property. </p>
<p>In the case of Kelo there was no necessity of taking those particular individuals property. There was a desire among powerful people in government to re-develop a particular neighborhood into something else. Most likely they wanted to increase the tax base or their friends wanted the contract for re-development. The point is that there was nothing particlar to that property that made them need it. They wanted those people’s property they did not need it.</p>
<p>That is a huge world of difference in my book. That court case is part of what really convinced me that the last election was about the supreme court. The Kelo decision proves that the court does not really consider the ramifications of its actions. To me the ramification of Kelo is that no property owner, and particularly not one of little means or power is safe from his or her land being taken. This is particularly true if the property is deemed valuable. Also remember that the government only gives you present value for the land. What if after the improvements they make it would be worth ten times as much? Tough. </p>
<p>In NOLA we are fighting over the old Charity and whether to build a new hospital complex. Curiously there is a two block area smack dab in the middle of the new complex that they are not proposing to take. Why do you think that is? Who owns that property? Probably the state. That land will be worth 10 times the value of today after the medical complex is built. Rather than build it on land they already have, they are proposing to bulldoze neighborhoods where people live that they plan on taking by immenent domain. </p>
<p>Lesson: vague statutes and vague supreme court cases make for really crummy lives for the people that have to live with the results.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterCarlsen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934492</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterCarlsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the reasons the United States was so attractive was that you could actually own land.  Historically this was not true in much of Europe.  In France and England, all land belonged to the king.  If you wanted control of the land you became a vassal, exchanging control for military service.  In much of England land is still held by a few people.  It is one of the reasons they are having a housing shortage…there is no place to build new housing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So yes, I admire the sharp cut off of city and country in Europe.  It is quite beautiful.  But it comes from a historical legacy that we don’t have.  We own land and that ownership is built into our character.  And that character bridals at the thought of trying to let some monarch tell them what they can and cannot do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On top of that land development  and civic infrastructure projects are claimed to be our largest economic driving force, not cars, not crops and not bombs.  We build cities and then we hollow them out and build them again in a ring around the middle.  It’s where the money is.   That is the thesis of “The Geometry of Nowhere,”  which helps explain how we’ve ended up with such a reprehensible built environment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A beautiful book that those interested in land development and history should pick up is “Measuring America.”  Beside explaining that an acre was originally the size of a plot that a man could plow with an ox in a day goes on to say because the United States land is measured in a surveyor’s chain 66 feet long, we will never adopt the metric system.  The author is from Scotland.   And the beautiful thing is that an acre has a rational base.  It is 10 square chains, (66 x 660 ft) which is more understandable than 43,560 sq ft.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons the United States was so attractive was that you could actually own land.  Historically this was not true in much of Europe.  In France and England, all land belonged to the king.  If you wanted control of the land you became a vassal, exchanging control for military service.  In much of England land is still held by a few people.  It is one of the reasons they are having a housing shortage…there is no place to build new housing. </p>
<p>So yes, I admire the sharp cut off of city and country in Europe.  It is quite beautiful.  But it comes from a historical legacy that we don’t have.  We own land and that ownership is built into our character.  And that character bridals at the thought of trying to let some monarch tell them what they can and cannot do.</p>
<p>On top of that land development  and civic infrastructure projects are claimed to be our largest economic driving force, not cars, not crops and not bombs.  We build cities and then we hollow them out and build them again in a ring around the middle.  It’s where the money is.   That is the thesis of “The Geometry of Nowhere,”  which helps explain how we’ve ended up with such a reprehensible built environment.</p>
<p>A beautiful book that those interested in land development and history should pick up is “Measuring America.”  Beside explaining that an acre was originally the size of a plot that a man could plow with an ox in a day goes on to say because the United States land is measured in a surveyor’s chain 66 feet long, we will never adopt the metric system.  The author is from Scotland.   And the beautiful thing is that an acre has a rational base.  It is 10 square chains, (66 x 660 ft) which is more understandable than 43,560 sq ft.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934491</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracchi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gracchi brothers&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Gracchi brothers, Tiberius and Gaius, were a pair of tribunes in 2nd century BC who attempted to pass land reform legislation in Ancient Rome that would redistribute the major patrician landholdings among the plebeians. For this legislation and their membership in the Populares party they are deemed the founding fathers of both socialism and populism (other populists prefer Spartacus or the latter Populares as Julius Caesar as their predecessors by members of both ideologies trying to find immemorial roots to their movements). Both were assassinated for their efforts. The brothers were born to a progressive patrician family – their mother being Cornelia Africana, the daughter of Scipio Africanus.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracchi" rel="nofollow">Gracchi brothers</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Gracchi brothers, Tiberius and Gaius, were a pair of tribunes in 2nd century BC who attempted to pass land reform legislation in Ancient Rome that would redistribute the major patrician landholdings among the plebeians. For this legislation and their membership in the Populares party they are deemed the founding fathers of both socialism and populism (other populists prefer Spartacus or the latter Populares as Julius Caesar as their predecessors by members of both ideologies trying to find immemorial roots to their movements). Both were assassinated for their efforts. The brothers were born to a progressive patrician family – their mother being Cornelia Africana, the daughter of Scipio Africanus.</p>
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		<title>By: A Mom Anon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934488</link>
		<dc:creator>A Mom Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They used to teach this in schools here(I’m from Ohio,moved to GA for work about 5yrs after graduation). I graduated in 1978 and it was required we have a credit in Federal Gov’t,one in State and Local Gov’t and one in Civics to graduate.We also had to have at least two history credits,American History.There were 8 classes to chose from,beginning with First Contact up to Contemporary American Issues. My senior term paper was on Hippies and Haight Ashbury,lol. I got an A. Those requirements were gone by the 1980’s,exactly the same time that the fundies began really infiltrating school boards with a vengence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They used to teach this in schools here(I’m from Ohio,moved to GA for work about 5yrs after graduation). I graduated in 1978 and it was required we have a credit in Federal Gov’t,one in State and Local Gov’t and one in Civics to graduate.We also had to have at least two history credits,American History.There were 8 classes to chose from,beginning with First Contact up to Contemporary American Issues. My senior term paper was on Hippies and Haight Ashbury,lol. I got an A. Those requirements were gone by the 1980’s,exactly the same time that the fundies began really infiltrating school boards with a vengence.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934484</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If we can’t change the culture at GM, I’m not sanguine about changing it more broadly.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s really about the common woman and man being as self-assertive about protecting their rights as the common company, isn’t it?  It’s also about recognizing that others have those same rights - something companies claim they are constitutionally prohibited from doing, which is an artifact of the legislature-made law and judicial decisions that interpret it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, when constitutions fail to instigate a just government for the governed, we should change them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One suggestion is that public schools teach citizenship as involving more than about being orderly and obeying orders.  The side benefit is that that would send Lynn Cheney into a tizzy from which her equanimity would never recover.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can’t change the culture at GM, I’m not sanguine about changing it more broadly.  </p>
<p>It’s really about the common woman and man being as self-assertive about protecting their rights as the common company, isn’t it?  It’s also about recognizing that others have those same rights &#8211; something companies claim they are constitutionally prohibited from doing, which is an artifact of the legislature-made law and judicial decisions that interpret it.  </p>
<p>Well, when constitutions fail to instigate a just government for the governed, we should change them.</p>
<p>One suggestion is that public schools teach citizenship as involving more than about being orderly and obeying orders.  The side benefit is that that would send Lynn Cheney into a tizzy from which her equanimity would never recover.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934475</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Masaccio, love this diary.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masaccio, love this diary.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934461</link>
		<dc:creator>scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some years ago, a dear friend became ill, such that she had to go to a hospital emergency room in NYC for treatment.  After waiting the long, but not interminable, time which breathing people who are not bleeding have to go through, she was called to the desk clerk where the first question - the one which comes before “what’s wrong” - got asked:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“How are you going to pay for this?” asked the pleasant, large woman behind the desk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My friend reached in her bag, pulled out a card from inside her wallet, said: “I’m Swedish.” and handed over the card.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The nice desk lady had never seen such, and there was a bit of confusion behind the desk because, after all, no one walks into an American hospital without money worries.  A call “upstairs” and … that was that.  Treatment and resolution, and no bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, a dear friend became ill, such that she had to go to a hospital emergency room in NYC for treatment.  After waiting the long, but not interminable, time which breathing people who are not bleeding have to go through, she was called to the desk clerk where the first question &#8211; the one which comes before “what’s wrong” &#8211; got asked:</p>
<p>“How are you going to pay for this?” asked the pleasant, large woman behind the desk.</p>
<p>My friend reached in her bag, pulled out a card from inside her wallet, said: “I’m Swedish.” and handed over the card.</p>
<p>The nice desk lady had never seen such, and there was a bit of confusion behind the desk because, after all, no one walks into an American hospital without money worries.  A call “upstairs” and … that was that.  Treatment and resolution, and no bill.</p>
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		<title>By: bgrothus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934454</link>
		<dc:creator>bgrothus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is the store that sells giant traps for rats (displayed in window with rats attached) still there in Paris, somewhere in the environs of the Picasso home?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was in the Jeu de Pomme just before it closed to move.  I recall a painting, I think Monet, that I had never seen before.  He had painted a veil on a hat that basically was black dots all across the woman’s face.  I thought it was a really brilliant painting, very edgy for the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Art, not bombs.  Health care, not bombs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the store that sells giant traps for rats (displayed in window with rats attached) still there in Paris, somewhere in the environs of the Picasso home?</p>
<p>I was in the Jeu de Pomme just before it closed to move.  I recall a painting, I think Monet, that I had never seen before.  He had painted a veil on a hat that basically was black dots all across the woman’s face.  I thought it was a really brilliant painting, very edgy for the time.</p>
<p>Art, not bombs.  Health care, not bombs.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not so very different than ours today either in that the capitalist system was getting ready to experience one of its periodic hiccups with the financial disasters of 1857.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so very different than ours today either in that the capitalist system was getting ready to experience one of its periodic hiccups with the financial disasters of 1857.</p>
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		<title>By: katymine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/12/speaking-of-france/#comment-1934439</link>
		<dc:creator>katymine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Today I am doing ok….. need to get up and get something done today…. watch too much TV….. of course it will hit 112 degrees today!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The one lesson that you learn in France is that the food is fresh….so fresh that it was in the ground or the sea yesterday and cooked today. Elmore fought eating peas while growing up….. I witnessed him eating them twice in France …… those tiny french peas….. Never in the 14 days we were there did we find a “bad” meal, even buying picnic food at the rest stops on the autoroute. Fresh baguette, wonderful cheeses, salami and fresh fruit that was actually fresh with chin dribble peaches…. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Couple that will preventive care since birth…. no wonder the French are not battling chronic disease at the levels of Americans. Americans pay over twice in health care than the French. They are number 1 in all the outcomes…. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My question to the repugs is …..Are you willing to settle for #37th in infant mortality ?  How about life expectancy dropping a year, yearly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I am doing ok….. need to get up and get something done today…. watch too much TV….. of course it will hit 112 degrees today!</p>
<p>The one lesson that you learn in France is that the food is fresh….so fresh that it was in the ground or the sea yesterday and cooked today. Elmore fought eating peas while growing up….. I witnessed him eating them twice in France …… those tiny french peas….. Never in the 14 days we were there did we find a “bad” meal, even buying picnic food at the rest stops on the autoroute. Fresh baguette, wonderful cheeses, salami and fresh fruit that was actually fresh with chin dribble peaches…. </p>
<p>Couple that will preventive care since birth…. no wonder the French are not battling chronic disease at the levels of Americans. Americans pay over twice in health care than the French. They are number 1 in all the outcomes…. </p>
<p>My question to the repugs is …..Are you willing to settle for #37th in infant mortality ?  How about life expectancy dropping a year, yearly.</p>
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