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		<title>By: MKirschMD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1934354</link>
		<dc:creator>MKirschMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, medical billing is a Byzantine process.  In addition, as a practicing physician, tell me how I can see the 10 patients an hour mentioned in masacchio’s piece. If you are in primary care, or a specialty as I am, then patient visits take time. Even 5 patients per hour amounts to a 12 minute office visit, not sufficient for many ill or elderly patients.  The public option will push reimbursements down even further and may drive out the private insurance carriers (as intended). &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, medical billing is a Byzantine process.  In addition, as a practicing physician, tell me how I can see the 10 patients an hour mentioned in masacchio’s piece. If you are in primary care, or a specialty as I am, then patient visits take time. Even 5 patients per hour amounts to a 12 minute office visit, not sufficient for many ill or elderly patients.  The public option will push reimbursements down even further and may drive out the private insurance carriers (as intended). <a href="http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: nrafter530</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1934084</link>
		<dc:creator>nrafter530</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honestly, that will likely alleviate many of those Blue Dogs’ concerns.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, that will likely alleviate many of those Blue Dogs’ concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rosenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Rosenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s not necessarily a problem, just means we have to find ways to pay for our subsidies. Seems like the House is going to pay for them by taxing the rich. I can’t argue with that! :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s not necessarily a problem, just means we have to find ways to pay for our subsidies. Seems like the House is going to pay for them by taxing the rich. I can’t argue with that! :)</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933976</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem with the subsidies is that the Blue Dogs want a revenue neutral plan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the subsidies is that the Blue Dogs want a revenue neutral plan.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933945</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Subsidies would mostly likely initially come in to pay for or to subsidize those making too little to pay the established public option insurance premiums.  That’s likely to change over time if the public insurer is credibly established, as more and more people opt to use it over privates.  Predictably, they will intentionally be slow to adapt, though they are likely to putt out plans that make it appear they are adapting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But you’re right.  It is old school nonsense to say that all subsidies be available to public and private &lt;em&gt;businesses &lt;/em&gt;alike.  Not all insurers are equal, nor all insurance contracts.  Some are legalized financial rape.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A far better standard would be that they are available in connection with insurance products that provide equivalent coverage to all insureds: no exclusions for pre-existing injuries or routine preventive care; no undue procedural bottlenecks or reimbursement waits; equivalent reimbursements to care providers; and no pattern of dropping insureds solely because they use their insurance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as important, public plan insureds must have access to the widest variety of service providers AND privates must be prohibited from imposing penalties on care providers who accept public plan patients or incentivizing them to turn them away. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As always, the devil and the opportunity for good or ill lies in the details.  This will take several rounds of legislation and years of trial and error to get right.  It’s a marathon, not a sprint.  Persistence and a valid plan are what’s important, not passing just any old legislation by September or December 2009.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subsidies would mostly likely initially come in to pay for or to subsidize those making too little to pay the established public option insurance premiums.  That’s likely to change over time if the public insurer is credibly established, as more and more people opt to use it over privates.  Predictably, they will intentionally be slow to adapt, though they are likely to putt out plans that make it appear they are adapting.</p>
<p>But you’re right.  It is old school nonsense to say that all subsidies be available to public and private <em>businesses </em>alike.  Not all insurers are equal, nor all insurance contracts.  Some are legalized financial rape.</p>
<p>A far better standard would be that they are available in connection with insurance products that provide equivalent coverage to all insureds: no exclusions for pre-existing injuries or routine preventive care; no undue procedural bottlenecks or reimbursement waits; equivalent reimbursements to care providers; and no pattern of dropping insureds solely because they use their insurance.</p>
<p>Just as important, public plan insureds must have access to the widest variety of service providers AND privates must be prohibited from imposing penalties on care providers who accept public plan patients or incentivizing them to turn them away. </p>
<p>As always, the devil and the opportunity for good or ill lies in the details.  This will take several rounds of legislation and years of trial and error to get right.  It’s a marathon, not a sprint.  Persistence and a valid plan are what’s important, not passing just any old legislation by September or December 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933939</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/fdl-book-salon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon upstairs&lt;/a&gt; with Ryan Grim’s &lt;i&gt;This Is Your Country ON Drugs&lt;/i&gt; hosted by Will Wilkinson&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/fdl-book-salon/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon upstairs</a> with Ryan Grim’s <i>This Is Your Country ON Drugs</i> hosted by Will Wilkinson</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933938</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;$400 billion times 10 years is $4 trillion, not $400 trillion&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just a nit&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$400 billion times 10 years is $4 trillion, not $400 trillion</p>
<p>just a nit</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933936</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The whole micromanaged fee-for-service system is dysfunctional in accounting and in auditing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The HELP public plan constrains payments to the average fee-for-service in a given locality; now there need to be some protections against provider collusion to increase those average figures, but that is a good benchmark for a market price.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that doesn’t answer the question about what the menu of services looks like nor whether administrative costs are charged as indirect costs for each service (a source of the $10 aspirin).  Some form of bulk pricing of services would reduce administrative cost and facilitate rapid billing, but what would be the basis of negotiation for each type of provider.  For example, the public plan could cover all hospital expenses for an acutuarially determined pro-rated number of patients each year, with adjustments carried forward from year to year.  One check per year for everyone who is covered.  Primary care providers could have a negotiated number of patients from particular zip codes, with adjustments made from year to year.  The savings in administrative expense would make up for the loss of cost accounting control consolidated at the federal level.  The fixed dollar amount would provide a provider a budget to work within during the year without the nonsense of five-minute provider visits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And HHS as the plan administrator should have the flexibility to develop these alternative means of pricing.  And if they come up with a winning combination, it should be extended to Medicare and Medicaid, with a view of folding those eventually into the public plan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Medicare became underfunded and the micro-managed fee-for-service schedule was implemented by the Reagan administration to “control Medicare costs”.  Neither of these “reforms” have served anyone well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole micromanaged fee-for-service system is dysfunctional in accounting and in auditing.</p>
<p>The HELP public plan constrains payments to the average fee-for-service in a given locality; now there need to be some protections against provider collusion to increase those average figures, but that is a good benchmark for a market price.</p>
<p>But that doesn’t answer the question about what the menu of services looks like nor whether administrative costs are charged as indirect costs for each service (a source of the $10 aspirin).  Some form of bulk pricing of services would reduce administrative cost and facilitate rapid billing, but what would be the basis of negotiation for each type of provider.  For example, the public plan could cover all hospital expenses for an acutuarially determined pro-rated number of patients each year, with adjustments carried forward from year to year.  One check per year for everyone who is covered.  Primary care providers could have a negotiated number of patients from particular zip codes, with adjustments made from year to year.  The savings in administrative expense would make up for the loss of cost accounting control consolidated at the federal level.  The fixed dollar amount would provide a provider a budget to work within during the year without the nonsense of five-minute provider visits.</p>
<p>And HHS as the plan administrator should have the flexibility to develop these alternative means of pricing.  And if they come up with a winning combination, it should be extended to Medicare and Medicaid, with a view of folding those eventually into the public plan.</p>
<p>Medicare became underfunded and the micro-managed fee-for-service schedule was implemented by the Reagan administration to “control Medicare costs”.  Neither of these “reforms” have served anyone well.</p>
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		<title>By: ART45</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933935</link>
		<dc:creator>ART45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Want to bet Americans will get a really good law here?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to bet Americans will get a really good law here?</p>
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		<title>By: jawbone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/money-and-the-public-option/#comment-1933934</link>
		<dc:creator>jawbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.correntewire.com/dr_david_himmelstein_diane_rehm_today_very_strong_arguments_single_payer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This Diane Rehm Show on single payer &lt;/a&gt;with Dr. David Himmelstein of PNHP has him saying that single payer will save $400B per year, allowing covering for everyone, from dollar one, from day one. No deductibles, no copays.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fold Medicare into a national single payer plan or expand Medicare to Medicare for All. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;$400 Trillion over 10 years can do an awful lot of good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now what it can’t do is offer pols the big donations from the BHIP* folks….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gee…maybe that’s a deal breaker? Ya think?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*BHIP–Big Healthcare Industry Players&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.correntewire.com/dr_david_himmelstein_diane_rehm_today_very_strong_arguments_single_payer" rel="nofollow">This Diane Rehm Show on single payer </a>with Dr. David Himmelstein of PNHP has him saying that single payer will save $400B per year, allowing covering for everyone, from dollar one, from day one. No deductibles, no copays.</p>
<p>Fold Medicare into a national single payer plan or expand Medicare to Medicare for All. </p>
<p>$400 Trillion over 10 years can do an awful lot of good.</p>
<p>Now what it can’t do is offer pols the big donations from the BHIP* folks….</p>
<p>Gee…maybe that’s a deal breaker? Ya think?</p>
<p>*BHIP–Big Healthcare Industry Players</p>
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