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	<title>Comments on: Late Night: Your Favorite World&#8217;s Greatest Deliberative Body Sucks, Because It&#8217;s Full of Senators</title>
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		<title>By: pluege</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/late-night-your-favorite-worlds-greatest-deliberative-body-sucks-because-its-full-of-senators/#comment-1934378</link>
		<dc:creator>pluege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the Senate was created to get small population states to ratify the Constitution and to establish an American plutocracy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today, the Senate continues to ensure that small population states have way more influence than their population deserve. And though corporate purchase of politicians is the main source of maintaining the American plutocracy today, the Senate is still a contributor and the furthest thing from the protector of the disadvantaged and the downtrodden, ot protector of the Constitution and the rule of law for that matter. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Senate must go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Senate was created to get small population states to ratify the Constitution and to establish an American plutocracy.</p>
<p>Today, the Senate continues to ensure that small population states have way more influence than their population deserve. And though corporate purchase of politicians is the main source of maintaining the American plutocracy today, the Senate is still a contributor and the furthest thing from the protector of the disadvantaged and the downtrodden, ot protector of the Constitution and the rule of law for that matter. </p>
<p>The Senate must go.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueCrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueCrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“get some good liberals in”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are there any running? Are there any running who will remain so after election? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-sighs-&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“get some good liberals in”</p>
<p>Are there any running? Are there any running who will remain so after election? </p>
<p>-sighs-</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;2010 Chance to change throw out anywhere between 8 and 13 more Republicans and get some good liberals in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2010 Chance to change throw out anywhere between 8 and 13 more Republicans and get some good liberals in.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we’re about as likely to get rid of it as we are to get rid of, I don’t know, &lt;strike&gt;the Electoral College.&lt;/strike&gt; ensign, sanford, weymouth, palin, milbank, santorum, cheney, vitter, gingrinch, guliani, john mcstain, and a shitload of other people who have covered themselves with shame, but just wont GO THE FUCK AWAY&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;remember when crawling away is shame was the respectable thing to do ???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we’re about as likely to get rid of it as we are to get rid of, I don’t know, <strike>the Electoral College.</strike> ensign, sanford, weymouth, palin, milbank, santorum, cheney, vitter, gingrinch, guliani, john mcstain, and a shitload of other people who have covered themselves with shame, but just wont GO THE FUCK AWAY</p>
<p>remember when crawling away is shame was the respectable thing to do ???</p>
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		<title>By: somatichypermutation</title>
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		<dc:creator>somatichypermutation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post!  Well written and nice angle.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  Well written and nice angle.</p>
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		<title>By: NealDeesit</title>
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		<dc:creator>NealDeesit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;…to give Ensign’s mistress $12,000 nine times to avoid the gift tax…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eight times, actually. Mother and Father Ensign (2) donors; Mistress, Cuckolded Hubby and their two children (4) donees. Nine would have been a foolish “generosity” requiring Gift Tax Returns and, heaven forfend, a small bite out of Ma and Pa Ensign’s Unified Credits against the dreaded Estate Tax.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>…to give Ensign’s mistress $12,000 nine times to avoid the gift tax…</em></p>
<p>Eight times, actually. Mother and Father Ensign (2) donors; Mistress, Cuckolded Hubby and their two children (4) donees. Nine would have been a foolish “generosity” requiring Gift Tax Returns and, heaven forfend, a small bite out of Ma and Pa Ensign’s Unified Credits against the dreaded Estate Tax.</p>
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		<title>By: PPDCUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PPDCUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How’s the filibusterin’ goin’ tonight?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How’s the filibusterin’ goin’ tonight?</p>
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		<title>By: yellowdogD</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowdogD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey back at you&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey back at you</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems like it was a few years ago when I and some others last described all the different ways our Constitutionally prescribed government had developed anachronisms.  The electoral college for instance.  Or that a state like California should have the same number of Senators as Nevada next door.  Or that one snippet of New England should have 2 Senators but that other snippets like the Boston suburbs or Long Island did not.  When the country was being founded it was important to get everyone on board that meant states that even then were minor, like Rhode Island and Delaware.  But the rationale for many states as Senatorially qualifying has become less and less.  It is rather like what happened in England with rotten boroughs.  The representative no longer represented a meaningful portion of the country’s population.  The counter argument is that states that are small in population but big in area would not have their needs addressed.  The response is of course that there is a difference between some representation and being overly represented.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Precisely states that would lose Senators under a reworking of representation are most opposed.  Again this is exactly what happens with the electoral college too.  States like New Hampshire and Iowa have been given the de facto power to choose the Presidential candidates for the rest of the country.  What is the sense in that?  Neither is terribly representative of the rest of the country.  But if President’s were directly elected, they would be spending their time in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois and Iowa and New Hampshire wouldn’t see a candidate except flying overhead at 30,000 ft.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like it was a few years ago when I and some others last described all the different ways our Constitutionally prescribed government had developed anachronisms.  The electoral college for instance.  Or that a state like California should have the same number of Senators as Nevada next door.  Or that one snippet of New England should have 2 Senators but that other snippets like the Boston suburbs or Long Island did not.  When the country was being founded it was important to get everyone on board that meant states that even then were minor, like Rhode Island and Delaware.  But the rationale for many states as Senatorially qualifying has become less and less.  It is rather like what happened in England with rotten boroughs.  The representative no longer represented a meaningful portion of the country’s population.  The counter argument is that states that are small in population but big in area would not have their needs addressed.  The response is of course that there is a difference between some representation and being overly represented.  </p>
<p>Precisely states that would lose Senators under a reworking of representation are most opposed.  Again this is exactly what happens with the electoral college too.  States like New Hampshire and Iowa have been given the de facto power to choose the Presidential candidates for the rest of the country.  What is the sense in that?  Neither is terribly representative of the rest of the country.  But if President’s were directly elected, they would be spending their time in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois and Iowa and New Hampshire wouldn’t see a candidate except flying overhead at 30,000 ft.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristineEdmonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristineEdmonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, it has been years on the trail here…and your vacation was great.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it has been years on the trail here…and your vacation was great.</p>
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