I used to think that the most ridiculous, least defensible institution in Our Democracy is the Electoral College, which is antiquated, confusing, and anti-democratic. But I’ve come around to the idea that the Senate is a damn sight worse.
Richard Posner (whom I rarely agree with) has a good basic rundown of the reasons why the so-called World’s Greatest Deliberative Body, in a word, sucks. Originally "it was created to be a check on the popularly elected House of Representatives, but also on the President, through its ‘advise and consent’ power"; the six-year term for Senators was meant to "encourage expertise and a greater independence from popular passions than the members of the House of Representatives, elected for only two-year terms, could be expected to have. The Senate would, in short, be an elite, deliberative, and only indirectly democratic body." However,
The change in the character of the Senate since the Constitution of 1787 has been profound. Senators, as a result of a constitutional amendment, are now directly elected, and there are 100 of them. The combination of the amount of time that they have to spend raising money and tending to constituents, and the immensely greater populations of most states now compared to the eighteenth century, and the enormously greater size and complexity of the federal government, have resulted in Senators’ being underspecialized, despite having large staffs. The filibuster (a creature of Senate rule rather than of the Constitution or a statute) creates a requirement of a supermajority to pass legislation to which there is substantial senatorial opposition, and rules or customs of senatorial "courtesy" give individual Senators considerable blocking power, for example power to delay confirmation hearings.
The result is that the Senate is an extremely inefficient institution.
Posner thinks this inefficiency makes it "unclear" why we even need a Senate at all. This is correct, but for myself, a better reason to think about getting rid of the Senate is that is is full of Senators.
With few exceptions, US Senators are assholes. They are as pompous as they are ignorant, which is not surprising, since they are as powerful as they are unaccountable. Once they’re elected it is notoriously hard to vote them out, even in the case of large-scale demographic shifts or astonishingly scandalous behavior. And even if you do get rid of one bad Senator, typically through retirement shortly before death, the replacement is likely to be someone with views congenial to the established party leadership in the Senate, so you don’t get much change. And anyhow what you get is just another Senator, who is going to face immense pressure to start acting like one, namely, like an asshole.
There’s been a lot of giggling about Bobo Brooks’ story of the GOP Senator who felt him up at a dinner party. Granting that this story is true, one of the things it speaks to is the enormous sense of power and entitlement on the part of the groper. This is something that someone does not just if they are absolutely sure they can get away with it, but if they are smugly convinced they are absolutely entitled to do. "All your junk are belong to me." Which is not to say that assholes like this don’t exist elsewhere than the Senate, they obviously do, but it is to say that in the Senate, assholes like this find a wonderfully congenial home.
As for broader issues, while there are any number of reasons why we’re having so much difficulty making progress on issues that are, literally life and death — healthcare, global climate change — one of the most serious roadblocks is the structure of the Senate itself, with its absurd rules and traditions, like the filibuster, which aren’t even constitutional. In a nutshell, take the fact that a total and complete nut, James Inhofe, has more power to impede saving the planet than all the scientists in the world have to save it. And that’s not even hyperbole (well, maybe by a little, but not a lot).
It’s a shite situation. And, of course, there’s nothing anyone can do about it, because while the Senate has wandered far from its original purpose, is becoming even more egregiously anti-democratic (the new 60-vote supermajority "rule"), is deeply unaccountable to the people, and has Joe Lieberman-quality shitheads in it who everyone hates, we’re about as likely to get rid of it as we are to get rid of, I don’t know, the Electoral College.
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Evening all.
Thersaturday night fever!
Look at me, I’m a cowboy… Howdy, howdy, howdy. (to quote one of my favorite Far Side comics)
sathersday night!
Here, here, sir. Bravo! Comity, bipartisanship, collegiality and all the rest of that obstructionist horseshit. My senior senator, Max Baucus is a disgraceful whore to the insurance industry and other corporate interests, but is impossible to get out of office. Nobody serious will even primary him.
We should all send this blog to our senators. They’ll appreciate the candid critique.
assholes indeed thers.
I’ve got Chuck Grasshole to contend with, so you don’t have to feel isolated in your personal hell.
Until recently we had Conrad Burns (R-Psycho Asshole). Still waiting to see how my junior senator, Tester, turns out. Started out good, but has been slipping lately. May be spending too much time learning at Max’s knee.
Corker and Alexander here. OMG, Thers is right.
those poor folks in ca who have difi as their asshole *sob*
i’m so forking glad i moved outta ca
Surprisingly, the Senate oath of office contains no reference to disgraceful corporate whores. Probably a prerequisite for Senate candidates and thus a moot point by the time they are sworn in.
Just occurred to me, EDP, that between us we indirectly share responsibility for totally fucking up healthcare reform.
That would be too bad–Tester seemed such a bright young man.
It’s past time for term limits. Two terms (twelve years) is more than enough time for a Senator. Why should someone’s election to the Senate turn into (virtually) a lifetime sinecure? I’d term-limit the House, as well- three or four terms, at the most. (And, to tell you the truth, I think I’d have a mandatory retirement age for Supreme Court Justices, while we’re at it.)
They are and always have been the representatives of our economic elites, which is exactly what the framers intended them to be.
He hasn’t gone south as yet, but I am keeping an eye on him. I am especially nervous now that our governor, formerly the darling of liberals looking to remake the Democratic Party, has suddenly morphed into a tax cuts uber alles Republican idiot.
I only hold you accountable if you voted for Baucus. I know for a damned fact I never voted for Grassley.
Sorry, but term limits are a really bad idea, as I have seen first hand here in Montana. What we need is campaign finance reform and other changes in election law which eliminate much of incumbents’ advantage in fund raising.
Actually I did, but the alternatives make him look like Che Guevara.
The Senate is the closest equivalent to the U.K.’s House of Lords that we have, except the English have more command of the language and can be quite charming at times.
US Senators, charming, uh, no, and command of the language? Don’t even get me started there.
I’m against term limits because I think voters have the right to reelect anyone they want. The rare good Senator should be allowed to serve for life (maybe longer).
Public financing of campaigns would do much to level the playing field and make it easier to replace incumbents who have exceeded their period of usefulness… if they ever had one.
Well, that’s it, man. You’re over.
Owe you a drink.
To paraphrase a joke from an old Two Ronnies skit…
“What’s the difference between a donkey and an ass?”
“One’s a Senator, the other is a member of the cabinet”.
Trust me, you really do not want a Montana Republican in there. The party starts at Dr. Mengele and move to the right. Then their is the Constitution Party and the Libertarians, who manage to make the Republicans seem sane and reasonable.
A nice amber ale would go down well.
I was joking, honestly. I understand that you are in a state where you’re lucky to elect any kind of Democrat. I just wish the ones you did have were trying harder than they seem to be to distinguish themselves from the Thugs.
Slidin’ down the bar atcha. Back when I drank beer one of my overpriced favorites was Smith’s Nutbrown Ale. Smith’s Oatmeal Stout was also yummy.
I wish ballots in the U.S. included a “none of the above” option.
Or, These All Suck.
The scary part is that, as far as politicians go, Baucus and Tester are pretty much the “far left” of Montana politics. Really fucking depressing.
Only if it counted.
Now that I would vote for.
We have Schumer and Gillibrand — who nobody even voted for…
OT: Per Greg Sargent at the PlumLine: http://theplumline.whorunsgov……-hangs-up/
Would “self-hating narcissist” be an oxymoron?
Term limits aren’t really the issue, I think — what we need to do is get rid of the Senate. Term limits are an anti-democratic answer to an anti-democratic problem.
Any hope for Gillibrand to do a Burris–notwithstanding the fact that she technically didn’t buy her seat?
My all time faves are Orrin Hatch, Joe Lieberman, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Bill Nelson, Diane Feinstein and Harry Reid.
That’s a real clown posse. Lotta flavor. Sanctimony, Deceit, More deceit, yet more deceit, bends to and fro like a willow in the breeze, mean, rotten and corrupt, and a big ol’ collegial scaredy cat.
Oh Thers, we need the senate. without them we’d be stuck with repiglican governor sex scandals.
I wonder if the infamous Roland Burris memorial happens to be in Burr Oak Cemetery? Be a shame because property values will probably decline now that they can’t stack ‘em.
The Senate also over-represents rural regions of the country, which tend to be conservative, as does the Electoral College. We’d be better off without both.
I don’t think you can just ‘wish them to the cornfield,’ dude.
Or maybe we should borrow from the Bob Barker playbook and neuter the lot of them.
Besides, if we abolished the Senate, it would mean that Al Franken went through eight months of continuous frustration for nothing.
Bobo would thank you. Maybe.
None. She’s pretty powerfully backed.
Heh.
Unlike many people he’s had a successful marriage. Got to pay his frustration dues somewhere.
I don’t know. I think he kind of liked it. Made him feel closer to the corridors of power.
I’m still trying to figure out how the guy touched his inner thigh with Brooks kneeling in front of him.
He didn’t seem to be in any hurry to move the hand, did he?
- Anonymous Republican Senator (protected by Brooks)
No, but I was explaining why term limits aren’t the answer.
You win the thread!
Snert.
Thank ya, thank ya verra much!
Yeah, what’s with that? Some guy put his hand on my leg and I’d slap him. Then I’d change seats.
i still wonder who bobo’s targeted audience was when he was telling the hand story
Now that is a truly intriguing question.
It’s called “access journalism.”
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t us, but that’s just tough luck for Bobo.
Anything for a leg up on the competition.
Well, you’re not a prostitute. It’s different. What’s a sycophant like Brooks to do? Confront the Senator and risk future invites for quail wings?
I am one of those people. I have tried calling and emailing both Difi and Boxer to see where they stand on the public option and haven’t heard a thing back from either of them. I haven’t voted for Difi the last 2 times she was up for re-election. She’s just another in a long line of DINO.
It’s a weird story, weirder the more you thi8nk about it. Because it’s sort of not funny — says a lot about our politicians and our journalists that the senator would try this and be so sure he could get away with it. Talk about your insane codes of “civility.”
O’Donnell suggests that David is slap happy. Everyone knows that Republican Senators are paragons of moral virtue. What is wrong with Brooks to suggest otherwise?
The “I’m like, I’m outta here,” line seemed a little juvenile. You wouldn’t expect for someone of Brooks’ age and profession to feel compelled to defend his (ostensibly) hetero orientation.
and it says a lot about bobo that he was recounting it as if it was a witty story told over cocktail weinies that solidified his standing in the village and the beltway. it was if it was something he was proud of
this just arrived in my inbox from a friend:
True Definition of Spin
Judy Wallman, a professional genealogy researcher in southern California , was doing some personal work on her own family tree. She discovered that Harry Reid’s great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889. Both Judy and Harry Reid share this common ancestor.
The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows in Montana territory.
On the back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription: ‘Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889.’
So Judy recently e-mailed Congressman Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle.
Believe it or not, Harry Reid’s staff sent back the following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:
‘Remus Reid was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed.’
NOW THAT is how it’s done folks! That’s real SPIN.
Politicians are good for that!
I’m a closet Senator. It was MY hand on Brooks thigh. And he put out too.
There!
I feel so much better now.
So the Reid family has a tradition of standing on shaky platforms.
i just checked snopes and urbanlegends and both say it’s false. but the idea was just too delicious to check before i sent it.
It has been around for quite a while. I think I saw it a couple of years ago.
I’m like, outta here. (Tip to Bobo, to appear less inviting next time you attend a formal dinner, consider wearing pants.)
Splendid evening to all.
g’nite ratfood.
g’nite ratfood
Night. Think I will head out as well. Take care all.
I is off to slumberland also. Niters!
g’nite thers
g’nite dr dick
It was awfully nice and very generous of Ensign’s parents to give Ensign’s mistress $12,000 nine times to avoid the gift tax. (It’s smart to avoid Taxes and traceable funds.)
When when a Republican backslides off his moral perch (he’s only human), he finds a way to make it all better.
Dang – everyone’s leaving, and I, who is nobody, just got here!
i’m out too. i’m 24 hours into baby-sitting a friend’s two dogs for a week and i’m exhausted. they’ve been growling at each other. last night they slept together in the laundry room but tonight when they get close to each other one or the other goes into a growl ritual. so i’ve put one to sleep in the bathroom. i’m putting myself to sleep in the bedroom.
you seem to be somebody.
i’m staying for a while.
GW, that’s a great story, I’m passing it on.
Good night to the sleepy pups.
g’nite gw
Thanks for your reply TeBetsy. I appreciate it.
I actually think that FDL and otherwise, blogs, are the world’s greatest deliberative body.
Deliberate!
SUZ! Hey Sorry I didn’t see you earlier in the thread.
hey kelly
Click my name and check out my blog — relaxed politics: the beach house. a number of the firepups from here are contributors on the weekend as well as commenters.
Terrif! Hah!
Take their money away.
Outlaw all the special interest and lobbyist money, make ‘em live on their fucking salaries.
No, seriously take away the lobby money, take away all their money, starve the motherfuckers.
See how intent they would be on running.
Roman senators, 2009, that is the reality.
Oh, by the way,
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
Prick.
Oh don’t go! I’m just catching up and watching SNL!
don’t hold back busted – tell us how ya really feel
-Still got Bushco DOJ attorneys who swore loyalty to Bush…a partisan Department of justice. That sucks.
hey ce
hey bb
howdy chris!
I’ve got you all beat; Coburn and Inhofe! gag.
I’d put good money on Miss McConnell as the Bobo groper.
Hiya Suzanne!
A great weekend here. Cain Park Art Festival and I bought lots of ceramics. Good for artists.
Hey Betsy,
How are you, dear? I’m following your teaching and so proud of your accomplishments.
Hiya Pups,
Sorry I forgot to say hello.
hey yellowdogD
Thanks! I’ll be back in the classroom in August. Real classes and not tutoring.
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It’s like being an independent/democrat in Arizona! McCain/Kyl will be here forever.
Wow, it has been years on the trail here…and your vacation was great.
It seems like it was a few years ago when I and some others last described all the different ways our Constitutionally prescribed government had developed anachronisms. The electoral college for instance. Or that a state like California should have the same number of Senators as Nevada next door. Or that one snippet of New England should have 2 Senators but that other snippets like the Boston suburbs or Long Island did not. When the country was being founded it was important to get everyone on board that meant states that even then were minor, like Rhode Island and Delaware. But the rationale for many states as Senatorially qualifying has become less and less. It is rather like what happened in England with rotten boroughs. The representative no longer represented a meaningful portion of the country’s population. The counter argument is that states that are small in population but big in area would not have their needs addressed. The response is of course that there is a difference between some representation and being overly represented.
Precisely states that would lose Senators under a reworking of representation are most opposed. Again this is exactly what happens with the electoral college too. States like New Hampshire and Iowa have been given the de facto power to choose the Presidential candidates for the rest of the country. What is the sense in that? Neither is terribly representative of the rest of the country. But if President’s were directly elected, they would be spending their time in California, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois and Iowa and New Hampshire wouldn’t see a candidate except flying overhead at 30,000 ft.
hey back at you
How’s the filibusterin’ goin’ tonight?
…to give Ensign’s mistress $12,000 nine times to avoid the gift tax…
Eight times, actually. Mother and Father Ensign (2) donors; Mistress, Cuckolded Hubby and their two children (4) donees. Nine would have been a foolish “generosity” requiring Gift Tax Returns and, heaven forfend, a small bite out of Ma and Pa Ensign’s Unified Credits against the dreaded Estate Tax.
Great post! Well written and nice angle.
we’re about as likely to get rid of it as we are to get rid of, I don’t know,
the Electoral College.ensign, sanford, weymouth, palin, milbank, santorum, cheney, vitter, gingrinch, guliani, john mcstain, and a shitload of other people who have covered themselves with shame, but just wont GO THE FUCK AWAYremember when crawling away is shame was the respectable thing to do ???
2010 Chance to change throw out anywhere between 8 and 13 more Republicans and get some good liberals in.
“get some good liberals in”
Are there any running? Are there any running who will remain so after election?
-sighs-
the Senate was created to get small population states to ratify the Constitution and to establish an American plutocracy.
Today, the Senate continues to ensure that small population states have way more influence than their population deserve. And though corporate purchase of politicians is the main source of maintaining the American plutocracy today, the Senate is still a contributor and the furthest thing from the protector of the disadvantaged and the downtrodden, ot protector of the Constitution and the rule of law for that matter.
The Senate must go.