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	<title>Comments on: Early Morning Swim: Judd Gregg Explains Why We Don&#8217;t Need Health Care Reform on MSNBC</title>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obviously epu’d, but- have to say I had never heard of the “Project 100,000.”  Part of my brain was still mumbling “but, but that sounds like an urban legend,” when Raven and Southern Dragon attested to their own experience with some of the 100,000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who would’ve thunk there was even more appalling stuff to learn about the Vietnam War?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re:  Gregg and others using Republican talking points - we may not need to put together a list; Bill Moyers mentioned on his show tonight about health care/insurance that earlier this year a memo written by (who else?) Frank Luntz was leaked with alll the talking points to use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moyers played a damning series of clips of members of Congress using all the main points, just like parrots.&lt;br /&gt;
Since this was tv, not a site with a link to follow, I’m not sure whre it’s to be found, but if it’s been leaked, it’s on the toobz somewhere, no?&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, and Adie - welcome back!  Glad you’re moved, and astonished that your kitties “love” the new place.  Never heard of such a thing!  None of mine ever took kindly to a move, old furniture or not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously epu’d, but- have to say I had never heard of the “Project 100,000.”  Part of my brain was still mumbling “but, but that sounds like an urban legend,” when Raven and Southern Dragon attested to their own experience with some of the 100,000.</p>
<p>Who would’ve thunk there was even more appalling stuff to learn about the Vietnam War?</p>
<p>Re:  Gregg and others using Republican talking points &#8211; we may not need to put together a list; Bill Moyers mentioned on his show tonight about health care/insurance that earlier this year a memo written by (who else?) Frank Luntz was leaked with alll the talking points to use.</p>
<p>Moyers played a damning series of clips of members of Congress using all the main points, just like parrots.<br />
Since this was tv, not a site with a link to follow, I’m not sure whre it’s to be found, but if it’s been leaked, it’s on the toobz somewhere, no?<br />
Oh, and Adie &#8211; welcome back!  Glad you’re moved, and astonished that your kitties “love” the new place.  Never heard of such a thing!  None of mine ever took kindly to a move, old furniture or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks RevBev.  Smaller, easier on old joints. Kitties boarded by the gal we got them from.  All de same furniture.  Not fancy, just home.  We had a lotta help from our kids, and we’ll still have plenty chores to catch up with, since I brought all the good usable stuff we no longer need and couldn’t find homes for before we left.  Always have used 2nd-hand and passed it on when we could.  So it worked out well, but we’re blotto mentally, so I’ll try not to trumpet too loudly on the toobz, but when the kits are happy, we’re happy.  And our real kids are a treasure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks RevBev.  Smaller, easier on old joints. Kitties boarded by the gal we got them from.  All de same furniture.  Not fancy, just home.  We had a lotta help from our kids, and we’ll still have plenty chores to catch up with, since I brought all the good usable stuff we no longer need and couldn’t find homes for before we left.  Always have used 2nd-hand and passed it on when we could.  So it worked out well, but we’re blotto mentally, so I’ll try not to trumpet too loudly on the toobz, but when the kits are happy, we’re happy.  And our real kids are a treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that the Blue Dogs are wankers and think they certainly should be pressured and primaried and defeated for their lack of representation of their constituents. However, the idea that “the Republicans are not the problem” is nonsense. No matter who they represent and which section of the country they come from, these people will vote no to either single payer or a strong public option. Now you can’t tell me that everyone of these folks is representing the interests of their constituents by taking that kind of position, or is not vulnerable on their continued support the profits of the health insurance companies at the expense of the voters. I think that perhaps as many as 8 Republican Senators are vulnerable on the issue when and if they next have to run: Lugar, McCain, Murkowski, Snowe, Collins, Thune, Vitter (who’s probably vulnerable on a whole host of things), and Voinovich. Perhaps there needs to be some effort to whip them too, and not just the Blue Dogs and ConservaDems. Similarly, there are still some Republicans left in the House in the Midwest and West who could be whipped, especially in swing states like Missouri. And, of course, Peter King should be vulnerable on this issue in New York state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Blue Dogs are wankers and think they certainly should be pressured and primaried and defeated for their lack of representation of their constituents. However, the idea that “the Republicans are not the problem” is nonsense. No matter who they represent and which section of the country they come from, these people will vote no to either single payer or a strong public option. Now you can’t tell me that everyone of these folks is representing the interests of their constituents by taking that kind of position, or is not vulnerable on their continued support the profits of the health insurance companies at the expense of the voters. I think that perhaps as many as 8 Republican Senators are vulnerable on the issue when and if they next have to run: Lugar, McCain, Murkowski, Snowe, Collins, Thune, Vitter (who’s probably vulnerable on a whole host of things), and Voinovich. Perhaps there needs to be some effort to whip them too, and not just the Blue Dogs and ConservaDems. Similarly, there are still some Republicans left in the House in the Midwest and West who could be whipped, especially in swing states like Missouri. And, of course, Peter King should be vulnerable on this issue in New York state.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll catch up to you on another thread. I’m just in for a minute to load another audiobook disc on my ipod.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Welcome…a lovely new casa.   Seems like you did that with remarkable ease, poise, calm, elan……so about the cats…..what is it about paws and Mr. Computer (as a grandson used to say)Seems like a keyboard must be very comfy.   Enjoy your new comfort….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome…a lovely new casa.   Seems like you did that with remarkable ease, poise, calm, elan……so about the cats…..what is it about paws and Mr. Computer (as a grandson used to say)Seems like a keyboard must be very comfy.   Enjoy your new comfort….</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good Morning BT and Puppies!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope this is EPU enuf for an OT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just want to report we arrived at our new digs.  Even our 2 kitties are absolutely thrilled with our new little cottage (with some help from the presence of our old furniture simply sitting on a different point in the universe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘Puter obviously up and running just fine, so I can now visit the Lake again.  It was a shaky few days there without my daily cuppa and Lake visit.  Our new cable connection also returns C-Span 2 to our grasp, so we’re back to being almost operational, but too tired to make much sense for a while yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!  This is progress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please return to your regular programming, and I’ll enjoy lurking off ‘n on and catching up on the news when and as I can.  Busy week in D.C., I see.  ‘Bout time.  Go gettum’ Dawgs!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dragon, if you’re around, one of our little tigers just bonked me in the forehead and patted my typing hands with her constantly kneading “happy toes” — sending a message to you and your clan, I ’spect..  She’s as picky as MarthaStew., so that speaks volumes.  She and her brother LOVE the new digs, thank dog! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good Health Care for ALL.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P. E. A. C. E.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning BT and Puppies!</p>
<p>I hope this is EPU enuf for an OT.</p>
<p>Just want to report we arrived at our new digs.  Even our 2 kitties are absolutely thrilled with our new little cottage (with some help from the presence of our old furniture simply sitting on a different point in the universe.</p>
<p>‘Puter obviously up and running just fine, so I can now visit the Lake again.  It was a shaky few days there without my daily cuppa and Lake visit.  Our new cable connection also returns C-Span 2 to our grasp, so we’re back to being almost operational, but too tired to make much sense for a while yet.</p>
<p>Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!  This is progress.</p>
<p>Please return to your regular programming, and I’ll enjoy lurking off ‘n on and catching up on the news when and as I can.  Busy week in D.C., I see.  ‘Bout time.  Go gettum’ Dawgs!</p>
<p>Dragon, if you’re around, one of our little tigers just bonked me in the forehead and patted my typing hands with her constantly kneading “happy toes” — sending a message to you and your clan, I ’spect..  She’s as picky as MarthaStew., so that speaks volumes.  She and her brother LOVE the new digs, thank dog! </p>
<p>Good Health Care for ALL.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>P. E. A. C. E.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice tie.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s always problematic when the fate of millions is in the hands of a couple dozen wankers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s always problematic when the fate of millions is in the hands of a couple dozen wankers.</p>
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		<title>By: tk1200</title>
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		<dc:creator>tk1200</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senator Jud Gregg is just working hard for the money. That’s no different from what he’s been doing his whole political career. What is different is the economy, which his party blew up after running up the national debt for tax cuts for the wealthy, labor outsourcing, privatizing whatever government functions could be privatized, and phony wars based on phony intelligence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is different is the economy and the whole system of employer-based private health care, which is collapsing in this severe economic downturn. You have to take the position that as a matter of policy protecting the interests of the corporations that provide private health care insurance is more essential to the real American economy than either a single payer universal health care system or a public option. But no facts are offered to buttress Senator Gregg’s decision, simply beliefs about a free market system that has failed disatrously because it requires smoke and mirrors and a sympathatic hand on the Fed’s tiller to make it work until it inevitably crashes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator Gregg’s beliefs and the principles he derives therefrom are fundamentally at odds with reality. That is the larger philosophical battle looming behind this particular fight. That is why the GOP and the Blue Dog Democrats reject a single payer universal health care system and the public option. They reject it because it indicts their way of thinking about reality. The reality is that single payer or public option would help people afford more medical coverage, and leave substantial savings that could then be spent, saved or invested in our economy. A single payer or public option, therefore, would make our whole economy more efficent while ensuring the necessary access to affordable health care that every American deserves to have.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The GOP and Senator Gregg and the Blue Dog Democrats are wrong on this issue, and demonstrably so. But it is a measure of their delusion that they will use their political power to fight the public option becuase they cannot allow reality to affect their decision making.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a personal note, I find the Blue Dog Democrats to be the worst actors in all this. They always want to have it both ways. They want the party affiliation with the Democrats, because of its connotation that Democrats believe the government can and should patch the holes that the free markets create and exploit to make life better for all Americans. But they love to claim the fiscal conservative mantle as an excuse to do nothing that actually acts as a corrective to the free market crony capitalistic system that prevails in America. And they happen to be fairly unintelligent about all economic matters, as opposed to the narrow business concerns of their free market sponsors which they too easily absorb, and some of them are out and out stupid and corrupt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Blue Dogs are an interesting mixture of stupid and spineless. I have no use for them and, indeed, they are no use to ordinary Americans who toil for their daily bread so that these motherfuckers can gut punch them over and over again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Jud Gregg is just working hard for the money. That’s no different from what he’s been doing his whole political career. What is different is the economy, which his party blew up after running up the national debt for tax cuts for the wealthy, labor outsourcing, privatizing whatever government functions could be privatized, and phony wars based on phony intelligence.</p>
<p>What is different is the economy and the whole system of employer-based private health care, which is collapsing in this severe economic downturn. You have to take the position that as a matter of policy protecting the interests of the corporations that provide private health care insurance is more essential to the real American economy than either a single payer universal health care system or a public option. But no facts are offered to buttress Senator Gregg’s decision, simply beliefs about a free market system that has failed disatrously because it requires smoke and mirrors and a sympathatic hand on the Fed’s tiller to make it work until it inevitably crashes.</p>
<p>Senator Gregg’s beliefs and the principles he derives therefrom are fundamentally at odds with reality. That is the larger philosophical battle looming behind this particular fight. That is why the GOP and the Blue Dog Democrats reject a single payer universal health care system and the public option. They reject it because it indicts their way of thinking about reality. The reality is that single payer or public option would help people afford more medical coverage, and leave substantial savings that could then be spent, saved or invested in our economy. A single payer or public option, therefore, would make our whole economy more efficent while ensuring the necessary access to affordable health care that every American deserves to have.</p>
<p>The GOP and Senator Gregg and the Blue Dog Democrats are wrong on this issue, and demonstrably so. But it is a measure of their delusion that they will use their political power to fight the public option becuase they cannot allow reality to affect their decision making.</p>
<p>On a personal note, I find the Blue Dog Democrats to be the worst actors in all this. They always want to have it both ways. They want the party affiliation with the Democrats, because of its connotation that Democrats believe the government can and should patch the holes that the free markets create and exploit to make life better for all Americans. But they love to claim the fiscal conservative mantle as an excuse to do nothing that actually acts as a corrective to the free market crony capitalistic system that prevails in America. And they happen to be fairly unintelligent about all economic matters, as opposed to the narrow business concerns of their free market sponsors which they too easily absorb, and some of them are out and out stupid and corrupt.</p>
<p>The Blue Dogs are an interesting mixture of stupid and spineless. I have no use for them and, indeed, they are no use to ordinary Americans who toil for their daily bread so that these motherfuckers can gut punch them over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://images.bluebeat.com/an/3/9/3/8/l8393.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I’m headed down the Atlanta Highway&lt;br /&gt;
Lookin for that Love getaway&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://images.bluebeat.com/an/3/9/3/8/l8393.jpg" rel="nofollow">I’m headed down the Atlanta Highway<br />
Lookin for that Love getaway</a></p>
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