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		<title>By: regulararmyfool</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1933072</link>
		<dc:creator>regulararmyfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coburn seems to show up in all of these sex scandals.  What is he the official political pimp specialist?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well one thing for sure the British tabloids are going to have these “prayer breakfast” meetings wired tighter than the white house from now on.  When these scrubs sit around chatting about who is getting laid and how much should the payoff be. Should these hypocrites be allowed to comment on policy and spending.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The rates the known ones pay are fucking stupid.  I was in a house about 8 blocks from the white house about 22 years ago and I was staggered to pay something like $150.  Even with inflation there is a recession, I’ll bet a straight lay, no bare back, 1/2 hour in Pahrump NV wouldn’t have cost Ensign more than $300 even if he went out with one of the Japanese tour buses (Japanese throw money around in a whorehouse like they got it free.) Ely NV and east of Carson city are a lot cheaper.  I don’t know the free market price in the square in Winnemucca or Elko anymore but they have to be cheaper for all these dudes even if they have to charter a jet.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These people make decision affecting millions of lives and they are batshit crazy pussy hounds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coburn seems to show up in all of these sex scandals.  What is he the official political pimp specialist?</p>
<p>Well one thing for sure the British tabloids are going to have these “prayer breakfast” meetings wired tighter than the white house from now on.  When these scrubs sit around chatting about who is getting laid and how much should the payoff be. Should these hypocrites be allowed to comment on policy and spending.  </p>
<p>The rates the known ones pay are fucking stupid.  I was in a house about 8 blocks from the white house about 22 years ago and I was staggered to pay something like $150.  Even with inflation there is a recession, I’ll bet a straight lay, no bare back, 1/2 hour in Pahrump NV wouldn’t have cost Ensign more than $300 even if he went out with one of the Japanese tour buses (Japanese throw money around in a whorehouse like they got it free.) Ely NV and east of Carson city are a lot cheaper.  I don’t know the free market price in the square in Winnemucca or Elko anymore but they have to be cheaper for all these dudes even if they have to charter a jet.  </p>
<p>These people make decision affecting millions of lives and they are batshit crazy pussy hounds.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1933044</link>
		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My favorite part of this was Colburn’s statement that he was acting as a physician.  And, as you said, he is an OB/GYN.  Is there something Ensign wants to tell us?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of this was Colburn’s statement that he was acting as a physician.  And, as you said, he is an OB/GYN.  Is there something Ensign wants to tell us?</p>
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		<title>By: GrievanceProject</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1932758</link>
		<dc:creator>GrievanceProject</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In many cases, whether person hearing the statements are in fact a pastor/doctor/lawyer/other is not a determinative factor.  The privilege belongs to the speaker of the statement, not the pastor/doctor/lawyer/other.  As a result, whether there is a privilege or not often depends on the speaker’s belief that (s)he is talking to someone who is a pastor/doctor/lawyer/other and that the conversation is with that person in his/her capacity as a pastor/doctor/lawyer/other.  For example, an attorney/client privilege is created when a client consults with another person thinking that person is an attorney - even if turns out the ‘attorney’ isn’t one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And because the privilege belongs to the speaker of the statement and not the pastor/doctor/lawyer/other, it is the speaker - not the pastor/doctor/lawyer/other - and the speaker only who can both invoke and waive the privilege.  Accordingly, it’s not Sen. Dr. Coburn who gets to decide whether or not he’s permitted to reveal what he knows.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many cases, whether person hearing the statements are in fact a pastor/doctor/lawyer/other is not a determinative factor.  The privilege belongs to the speaker of the statement, not the pastor/doctor/lawyer/other.  As a result, whether there is a privilege or not often depends on the speaker’s belief that (s)he is talking to someone who is a pastor/doctor/lawyer/other and that the conversation is with that person in his/her capacity as a pastor/doctor/lawyer/other.  For example, an attorney/client privilege is created when a client consults with another person thinking that person is an attorney &#8211; even if turns out the ‘attorney’ isn’t one.</p>
<p>And because the privilege belongs to the speaker of the statement and not the pastor/doctor/lawyer/other, it is the speaker &#8211; not the pastor/doctor/lawyer/other &#8211; and the speaker only who can both invoke and waive the privilege.  Accordingly, it’s not Sen. Dr. Coburn who gets to decide whether or not he’s permitted to reveal what he knows.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1932756</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A legitimate member of the clergy might still be obligated not to confirm or deny the substance of any communication or that any communication took place.  But Coburn is blowin’ smoke if he hopes to enrage the religious wrong to defend his and Ensign’s adultery damage control under the guise of “healing” him.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ensign was clearly possessed and doesn’t want to be healed; a good sign Coburn’s senatorial exorcism didn’t take.  The amount of political exorcism needed to address these kinds of excesses in DC would exhaust a platoon of Father Merrins.  Besides, I don’t think the G’town steps are wide enough to accommodate them all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A legitimate member of the clergy might still be obligated not to confirm or deny the substance of any communication or that any communication took place.  But Coburn is blowin’ smoke if he hopes to enrage the religious wrong to defend his and Ensign’s adultery damage control under the guise of “healing” him.  </p>
<p>Ensign was clearly possessed and doesn’t want to be healed; a good sign Coburn’s senatorial exorcism didn’t take.  The amount of political exorcism needed to address these kinds of excesses in DC would exhaust a platoon of Father Merrins.  Besides, I don’t think the G’town steps are wide enough to accommodate them all.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
And isn’t it odd that only two of the three Hampton children received a gift?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cripes I think I want some Genetic Tests done on all the Kids, the Senator, the parents just how long has the Senator known his friends wife and how long has he supposedly known her biblically because I think he might have known her biblically longer than has been reported.&lt;br /&gt;
    Only 2 kids get the money that is real interesting pictures of the alledged parents and the Senator and all 3 kids please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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And isn’t it odd that only two of the three Hampton children received a gift?</p>
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<p>Cripes I think I want some Genetic Tests done on all the Kids, the Senator, the parents just how long has the Senator known his friends wife and how long has he supposedly known her biblically because I think he might have known her biblically longer than has been reported.<br />
    Only 2 kids get the money that is real interesting pictures of the alledged parents and the Senator and all 3 kids please.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, not being enough to invoke a filing for gift tax purposes wouldn’t keep it off the Fed’s radar screen.  The Treasury gets records on wired funds and on each “instrument”, such as a check, that’s in excess of $5000 dollars.  (The old rule was $10,000, but that was so 20th century, any well-to-do grandmother or alleged terrorist could “abuse” it.)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The likelihood is that there are records aplenty of monies paid for anyone with authority to look at them, unless it was cash, which would raise its own questions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not being enough to invoke a filing for gift tax purposes wouldn’t keep it off the Fed’s radar screen.  The Treasury gets records on wired funds and on each “instrument”, such as a check, that’s in excess of $5000 dollars.  (The old rule was $10,000, but that was so 20th century, any well-to-do grandmother or alleged terrorist could “abuse” it.)  </p>
<p>The likelihood is that there are records aplenty of monies paid for anyone with authority to look at them, unless it was cash, which would raise its own questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not a problem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And re RevDeb @74: Lots and lots of smoke.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a problem.</p>
<p>And re RevDeb @74: Lots and lots of smoke.</p>
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		<title>By: Styve</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1932751</link>
		<dc:creator>Styve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do hope this is the end of the road for this creep.  I am responding to SD’s comment because I am curious if anyone remembers back in ‘05, that Bush wanted to put a fellow OB/GYN cretin in charge of some Women’s Reproductive ____ committee by the name of Hager.  Turns out that he had been anally raping his wife for years, and when she saw him touting his holier than thou stance at some awards ceremony, she lost it and decided to go public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Rethugs are a twisted bunch, fer sure!!  Did they drink different water during their youth, or what?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is the start of an article on Hager, from Alternet, if anyone’s interested…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dr. Hager’s Family Values&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By Ayelish McGarvey, The Nation. Posted May 13, 2005.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a Bush-appointed adviser to the FDA, Dr. David Hager plays a key role in women’s health policy. Allegations that he abused his former wife call into question his fitness for the job.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Late last October Dr. W. David Hager, a prominent obstetrician-gynecologist and Bush administration appointee to the Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs in the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), took to the pulpit as the featured speaker at a morning service.&lt;br /&gt;
[…]&lt;br /&gt;
For Hager, those moral and ethical issues all appear to revolve around sex: In both his medical practice and his advisory role at the FDA, his ardent evangelical piety anchors his staunch opposition to emergency contraception, abortion and premarital sex. Through his six books–which include such titles as Stress and the Woman’s Body and As Jesus Cared for Women, self-help tomes that interweave syrupy Christian spirituality with paternalistic advice on women’s health and relationships–he has established himself as a leading conservative Christian voice on women’s health and sexuality.&lt;br /&gt;
[…]&lt;br /&gt;
But out in the audience, Linda Carruth Davis–co-author with Hager of Stress and the Woman’s Body, and, more saliently, his former wife of 32 years–was enraged. “It was the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard,” she recalled months later, through clenched teeth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;According to Davis, Hager’s public moralizing on sexual matters clashed with his deplorable treatment of her during their marriage. Davis alleges that between 1995 and their divorce in 2002, Hager repeatedly sodomized her without her consent.&lt;br /&gt;
continued at the Nation or on Alternet~~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do hope this is the end of the road for this creep.  I am responding to SD’s comment because I am curious if anyone remembers back in ‘05, that Bush wanted to put a fellow OB/GYN cretin in charge of some Women’s Reproductive ____ committee by the name of Hager.  Turns out that he had been anally raping his wife for years, and when she saw him touting his holier than thou stance at some awards ceremony, she lost it and decided to go public.</p>
<p>The Rethugs are a twisted bunch, fer sure!!  Did they drink different water during their youth, or what?</p>
<p>Here is the start of an article on Hager, from Alternet, if anyone’s interested…</p>
<p>Dr. Hager’s Family Values</p>
<p>By Ayelish McGarvey, The Nation. Posted May 13, 2005.</p>
<p>As a Bush-appointed adviser to the FDA, Dr. David Hager plays a key role in women’s health policy. Allegations that he abused his former wife call into question his fitness for the job.</p>
<p>Late last October Dr. W. David Hager, a prominent obstetrician-gynecologist and Bush administration appointee to the Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs in the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), took to the pulpit as the featured speaker at a morning service.<br />
[…]<br />
For Hager, those moral and ethical issues all appear to revolve around sex: In both his medical practice and his advisory role at the FDA, his ardent evangelical piety anchors his staunch opposition to emergency contraception, abortion and premarital sex. Through his six books–which include such titles as Stress and the Woman’s Body and As Jesus Cared for Women, self-help tomes that interweave syrupy Christian spirituality with paternalistic advice on women’s health and relationships–he has established himself as a leading conservative Christian voice on women’s health and sexuality.<br />
[…]<br />
But out in the audience, Linda Carruth Davis–co-author with Hager of Stress and the Woman’s Body, and, more saliently, his former wife of 32 years–was enraged. “It was the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard,” she recalled months later, through clenched teeth.</p>
<p>According to Davis, Hager’s public moralizing on sexual matters clashed with his deplorable treatment of her during their marriage. Davis alleges that between 1995 and their divorce in 2002, Hager repeatedly sodomized her without her consent.<br />
continued at the Nation or on Alternet~~</p>
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		<title>By: GregB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1932749</link>
		<dc:creator>GregB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shorter Sen. Coburn to the media:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hands off of Ensigns’ privates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-G&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Sen. Coburn to the media:</p>
<p>Hands off of Ensigns’ privates.</p>
<p>-G</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/hush-hush-sweet-coburn/#comment-1932748</link>
		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely. Each state has it’s own statutes that cover various categories of privileged communications.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My understanding has always been that if I —or the “confessor” were to share anything that was talked about within a minister/parishioner confidential conversation with &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; that the conversation would no longer be covered by legal protection. The bond would be broken.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with Peterr that he’s on shaky ground to begin with in terms of his legal qualification to be serving as clergy, but the fact that the conversation has already been talked about should pretty much kill any claim he might have to keep it confidential.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t know the laws in the village and they would probably be the ones to look at.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think he’s blowing smoke.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. Each state has it’s own statutes that cover various categories of privileged communications.</p>
<p>My understanding has always been that if I —or the “confessor” were to share anything that was talked about within a minister/parishioner confidential conversation with <em>anyone</em> that the conversation would no longer be covered by legal protection. The bond would be broken.</p>
<p>I agree with Peterr that he’s on shaky ground to begin with in terms of his legal qualification to be serving as clergy, but the fact that the conversation has already been talked about should pretty much kill any claim he might have to keep it confidential.</p>
<p>Don’t know the laws in the village and they would probably be the ones to look at.</p>
<p>I think he’s blowing smoke.</p>
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