Jeralyn has an interesting piece up wherein she defends the Obama White House’s decision to continue to assert Executive Privilege in order to withhold the Cheney interviews concerning the Valeria Plame investigation.
Her analysis appears to stem from the notion that any interview taken on the same subject matter and during the same period as a Grand Jury investigation should somehow be afforded the same confidentiality protections as if it were, in fact, grand jury material.
"Even though the FBI reports of the interview, and the agents’ notes taken during it, don’t fall under grand jury secrecy rules, I think the same principles should apply.
If the shoe were on the other foot, and you were a person interviewed by prosecutors and federal officials conducting a grand jury investigation, and you were not indicted, would you want a summary of your interview disclosed to the public? What if you were one of the people talked about in someone else’s grand jury interview? Would you want a one-sided account by that person disclosed to the public?"
This is a pretty remarkable statement coming from a criminal defense lawyer. If I did criminal defense work, I would want the utmost access to such materials and would be arguing about my client’s right to know. What if you represent someone who is a potential target?
Aside from the practical considerations, I do not believe that such a statement is an accurate reflection of the law. Grand Jury material is pretty clearly defined in the Rule 6. In short, it consists of information, including testimony, that is presented to the Grand Jury as well as material that has been subpoenaed by the GJ, whether or not the Grand Jury actually ever sees it.
Everything else is regular investigative material and therefore subject to the Freedom of Information Act. Now FOIA does have some exemptions from disclosure, but I disagree with the assertions in the Bradbury Declaration that such exemptions apply here.
Now, because the interviews were conducted by an Executive Branch official (Fitzgerald) acting under authority conferred by another Executive Branch official (Comey) the interview could/would be considered an internal Executive Branch investigation and the interview is a non-final document of that investigation. A list of FIOA exemptions (with definitions) is here. However, since the investigation is now over, the considerations covered in the subsets to FOIA exemption 7 either no longer apply, or in the case of things such as private personal information, they could be handled with minor redactions.
So, although the American Public treated the investigation like an outside prosecutor and Fitzgerald acted as a de facto outside prosecutor; the simple fact is, je jure, he was an Executive Branch guy. So, even though a claim of executive privilege hangs by the thinnest of threads here, there is that one frail fiber.
HOWEVER, unlike other privileges where if you waive it for one purpose, you waive it for all purposes (See, eg, attorney client privilege here), the most singular feature of executive privilege throughout the ages has been its highly selective use. Presidents pick and choose when to use it.
So, there is no possibility that they are forced to preserve the privilege now in order to have it when they -or some future president- really need it, the Obama Administration’s hands are not tied here. Hey, it wasn’t that long ago that they released internal, non-final Gitmo investigation reports.
I do believe the Cheney interview documents should be released. I believe the public has the right to know. I also believe the reasons advanced by both the Bush and Obama administrations for not releasing these documents are……fertilizer.
Look, this whole mess exists because Congress did not do its job as a co-equal branch of government and appoint a special prosecutor of its own. That prosecutor would have conducted his/her investigation under the authority and auspices of a co-equal branch of government and the Executive Branch would not have any say in how the products of that investigation were used.
But the Rubber Stamp Congress did not do their job. So, one man, Jim Comey, screwed up his courage and constructed a leaky, barely seaworthy life raft for the rule of law out of some fallen tree branches held together with bailing wire and chewing gum. Pat Fitzgerald and his crew somehow managed to sail that life raft safely to the lee shore.
Related posts:
- The Cheney Interview: Judge Sullivan Rebukes Obama, but Still Shields Crucial Info
- Fitzgerald-Cheney Interview: A Comedy of Excuses
- Does Lanny Breuer Have a Conflict in the Cheney Interview FOIA Case?
- The Contents of the Fitzgerald-Cheney Interview, Annotated Edition
- The Contents of the Fitzgerald-Cheney Interview, Annotated Edition





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you know, when there is a crime and the means of prosecuting that crime is at hand it is pretty strange stuff a person wants to claim priviledges that are discretionary and therefore protect that priviledge
I would mind not one stitch if obama was named as an accomplice to these crimes
Jeralyn is “confused” about a couple of things:
1. She claims that CREW is merely a “public interest group” submitting a FOIA request. She forgets that CREW represented the Wilsons who were of course, the ultimate in injured parties from Cheney’s act of betrayal.
2. She apparently believes that the public has no right to know what its government is doing. For a defense attorney, and a supposed liberal, this is a distinctly anti-liberal point of view. Contrary to her opinion, the Constitution says the government is our servant, and not the other way around.
I find it mind-boggling that a supposed liberal would actually stand up and state that government determines what the governed should or should not know, and particularly about the misdeeds done by the government.
For shame Jeralyn, for shame!
Why not simply apply grand jury principles to everything the government does, and dump FOIA altogether?
Hey, Cynthia!
Jim Comey as MacGyver. Niiiiiice!
Hey, pups!
FunnyWheelieDiva
The image of Patrick Fitzgerald in charge of something ”leaky” is . . . entertaining.
*g*
They spend a long long time in the filings saying that they know how to give confidentiality agreements to interviewees, they do give them a lot, and so …
even though they didn’t give one to Cheney, we should pretend they did because otherwise no one else will ever talk to them (even if that person thinks to ask for, and DOJ agrees to give, a confidentiality agreement.
Technical issue: If you’ve looked at the filings, you have invocations of privilege by OLC and by the head of the Crim Div. To be competent, shouldn’t those affidavits come from whoever has succeeded to the acting AG status Comey had? And after the delegation to Margolis – then what happened? I’ve always wondered and no one has ever really pinned it down.
I know Fitzgerald has said he’s not doing anything now, but who has the supervisory capacity on the mandate that was given to him and shouldn’t they be the one making at least one of these declarations?
OK, I still don’t get it.
Talking to investigators is always completely voluntary? There are no levers or sticks to use to compel cooperation?
No snark, srsly.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Even weaker as an argument (according to ew) because a lot of this is already public. (Which Jeralyn should also know.)
Under the current situation, the Congress is going to continue to shift power over to the Executive which will happily take it.
The right oriented Legislative (which isn’t going to get any more lefty with Sotomayor – and people will be pissed about this next year, despite defending her right now) will not create much if any more balance.
I think that economic conditions are only going to get marginally better, if they get better at all. Therefore I think the stage is set for a “throw the bums out” movement and turn over EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE HOUSE. And all the Senators that are up in 2010.
Primary all of them, and start over. It’s pretty much the only remedy we have. And that should get the Executive’s attention prior to 2012.
In other words, “straighten up and fly right, or you’re outta here; all of you.” Will that happen? Nope. But that’s the remedy available to us.
Wow, two pieces about Cheney related to the Plame investigation on the frontpage, Cynthia and Marcy ham-and-egging it.
It’s like a blast from the past, ca. 2005, when we thought we actually had a chance at nailing Deadeye…
Impeach Obama now. We got another fucking Bush. Impeachment might get the message to Biden that we, the people, are NOT FUCKING happy.
5 months of war crimes is 5 months too much.
Cynthia Kouril wrote:
High praise for Republicans shows we really are after the Truth and upholding the Rule of Law. It’s about Right and Wrong, not Left and Right.
Great imagery Cynthia. Finding a safe harbour on the shore of a lake we visit regularly…
There may have once been recognized rules about executive privilege but since Bush it means whatever the President at the time says it means. Fact and logic simply do not apply. As we have seen with the torture photos and the Cheney interview, the Obama Administration has no interest in open government. First, because it wishes to reserve the right to itself to keep embarrassing and unfavorable information about it from us. Second, because release of information under FOIA about the Bush years might force them into investigations and prosecutions, something they don’t want because quite frankly they agree with most of what Bush did.
As for Jeralyn, that is a different issue, I think. Obama supporters are finding that they have to go through all kinds of logical acrobatics to come up with justifications for what Obama is doing. There is a real disconnect there because their rationalizations are very reminiscent of how hardcore Bush supporters defended him.