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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930826</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;eCAHN at #27, #60 &amp; #61.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here we go…  I like you, honest.  I respect you.  But, ya know somethin?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some of us who try to stay silent on the subject GET IT!  Okay?!?!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my experience, yes, as a MS in Ethology from Cornell’s Department of Neurobiology and Behavior, published a couple times, and a lil’ more. yadda yadda yadda…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People who seem determined to hang on, tooth and nail to a 1st negative “gut impression”, come heqq or highinkneedydeedy, SELDOM if EVER seem to find any evidence whatsoever that could possibly challenge that first negative view of which they seem so everlastingly proud.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just a curious quirk of human nature?  Or factsbedammed?  or both.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I expect more from you.  So, be done with it.  Slap me upside the head for being such a pain in the rear and continue as you were.  Open mind does not equate to vacant mind.  So what’s to become of some of the rest of us?&lt;br /&gt;
I seek your pardon.  I simply couldn’t keep my dang yap shut any more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enough?  Isn’t a handful per thread enough?  Must we wallow in it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have more packing to do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eCAHN at #27, #60 &amp; #61.</p>
<p>Here we go…  I like you, honest.  I respect you.  But, ya know somethin?</p>
<p>Some of us who try to stay silent on the subject GET IT!  Okay?!?!</p>
<p>In my experience, yes, as a MS in Ethology from Cornell’s Department of Neurobiology and Behavior, published a couple times, and a lil’ more. yadda yadda yadda…</p>
<p>People who seem determined to hang on, tooth and nail to a 1st negative “gut impression”, come heqq or highinkneedydeedy, SELDOM if EVER seem to find any evidence whatsoever that could possibly challenge that first negative view of which they seem so everlastingly proud.</p>
<p>Just a curious quirk of human nature?  Or factsbedammed?  or both.</p>
<p>I expect more from you.  So, be done with it.  Slap me upside the head for being such a pain in the rear and continue as you were.  Open mind does not equate to vacant mind.  So what’s to become of some of the rest of us?<br />
I seek your pardon.  I simply couldn’t keep my dang yap shut any more.</p>
<p>Enough?  Isn’t a handful per thread enough?  Must we wallow in it?</p>
<p>Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have more packing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930789</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;completely agree re backstop and have been making calls in support of that effort.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i also agree with crosstimbers’ statement @75 “I want single payer and, in its absence, support a robust public option” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i also have &lt;em&gt;massive&lt;/em&gt; questions and reservations about public option approach — even if “robust” — both policy wise and in other respects.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;these positions are not mutually exclusive and i object to comments like @50 that imply otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>completely agree re backstop and have been making calls in support of that effort.</p>
<p>i also agree with crosstimbers’ statement @75 “I want single payer and, in its absence, support a robust public option” </p>
<p>but i also have <em>massive</em> questions and reservations about public option approach — even if “robust” — both policy wise and in other respects.</p>
<p>these positions are not mutually exclusive and i object to comments like @50 that imply otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930780</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;right back at ya. of course you’re not a ditto-head .  I don’t think it’s wrong to have questions or reservations, was merely pointing out Senator Sanders’ reality-based approach to the current debate&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;there is nothing in the current Whip Action that should make any SP advocate feel compromised - I said it on another thread - I see the current action as Tactical, we are attempting to build a backstop against the usual compromise/bailout trap&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right back at ya. of course you’re not a ditto-head .  I don’t think it’s wrong to have questions or reservations, was merely pointing out Senator Sanders’ reality-based approach to the current debate</p>
<p>there is nothing in the current Whip Action that should make any SP advocate feel compromised &#8211; I said it on another thread &#8211; I see the current action as Tactical, we are attempting to build a backstop against the usual compromise/bailout trap</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930776</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope BT writes about the crowd size now compared to the first Tea Bagger protests:)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope BT writes about the crowd size now compared to the first Tea Bagger protests:)</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930774</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like everyone else on FDL, I want single payer and, in its absence, support a robust public option. However, it seems like some commentors believe senators and congressmen get the benefit free medical care supplied completely by the tax payers.  Active duty military people do, but that doesn’t describe the Federal Employees Health Benefit (FEHB)Program in which civil servants, congressmen, and senators participate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  What they participate in is a marketplace, in which they can select among policies offered by participating insurance companies, HMO’s, and PPO’s.  It’s the marketplace in Obama’s concept of a national program.  It does not include anything like a public option in which the government would operate a not-for-profit health program.  In the FEHB, once the civil servant or congressman selects an insurance program, the employer (government) pays about half of the cost of the premiums and the employee pays the other half.  The program has the benefit of volume consumption and employer contribution of half the cost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just don’t want anyone losing arguments to wingnuts by arguing that congressmen and senators get free medical.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everyone else on FDL, I want single payer and, in its absence, support a robust public option. However, it seems like some commentors believe senators and congressmen get the benefit free medical care supplied completely by the tax payers.  Active duty military people do, but that doesn’t describe the Federal Employees Health Benefit (FEHB)Program in which civil servants, congressmen, and senators participate.</p>
<p>  What they participate in is a marketplace, in which they can select among policies offered by participating insurance companies, HMO’s, and PPO’s.  It’s the marketplace in Obama’s concept of a national program.  It does not include anything like a public option in which the government would operate a not-for-profit health program.  In the FEHB, once the civil servant or congressman selects an insurance program, the employer (government) pays about half of the cost of the premiums and the employee pays the other half.  The program has the benefit of volume consumption and employer contribution of half the cost.</p>
<p>I just don’t want anyone losing arguments to wingnuts by arguing that congressmen and senators get free medical.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930773</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cbl2, i love you but i REALLY disagree with your comment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. not a ditto head here. since when is it wrong to have serious questions and/or reservations and ask to have those questions/reservations addressed? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. bernie sanders has also said we need a movement in support of single payer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cbl2, i love you but i REALLY disagree with your comment.</p>
<p>1. not a ditto head here. since when is it wrong to have serious questions and/or reservations and ask to have those questions/reservations addressed? </p>
<p>2. bernie sanders has also said we need a movement in support of single payer.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930771</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;who are you talking about? talking about single payer, having questions and/or misgivings about a public option in a multi payer system does NOT mean the very same people are not ALSO making calls and talking other actions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;jeeze.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who are you talking about? talking about single payer, having questions and/or misgivings about a public option in a multi payer system does NOT mean the very same people are not ALSO making calls and talking other actions.</p>
<p>jeeze.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930770</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been calling everybody on The Hot 100 list in the Whip Tool &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;interesting that I didn’t get any of the “are you a constituent?” bs until late in the week - which I take as a sign that they are feeling the pressure &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to the phones ‘Dogs !!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been calling everybody on The Hot 100 list in the Whip Tool </p>
<p>interesting that I didn’t get any of the “are you a constituent?” bs until late in the week &#8211; which I take as a sign that they are feeling the pressure </p>
<p>to the phones ‘Dogs !!!</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930769</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;if the current plan of attack is good enough for Bernie Sanders, it should be good enough for all of us period&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the current plan of attack is good enough for Bernie Sanders, it should be good enough for all of us period</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/06/early-morning-swim-165/#comment-1930768</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who are you calling?  (I think Im right about where you are.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you calling?  (I think Im right about where you are.)</p>
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