In a sense all of America is liberalism. "The great advantage of the American," Tocqueville wrote over a century ago, "is that he has arrived at a state of democracy without having to endure a democratic revolution and that he is born free without having to become so." With freedom thus a matter of birthright and not of conquest, the American assumes liberalism as one of the presuppositions of life. With no social revolution in his past, the American has no sense of the role of catastrophe in social change. Consequently, he is, by nature, a gradualist; he sees few problems which cannot be solved by reason and debate; and he is confident that nearly all problems can be solved. It is characteristically American that every war in American history has been followed by an outburst of historical "revisionism" seeking to prove that the war was unnecessary.
It is this birthright liberalism of American society which justified the European political thinkers two centuries ago who saw in America the archetype of primal political innocence. Here, at last, men were free to inscribe their own aspirations in society without the clog or corruption of the accumulated evils of history. "In the beginning," as Locke put it, "all the world was America." This was, of course, an overstatement, since no American could escape the history he brought with him from Europe, any more than he could escape the peculiar stamp of the American experience, especially the ever-receding frontier. But, though extreme, the view was not entirely misleading. The American tabula rasa may not have been totally blank; but it lacked one determining phenomenon in particular of the European scene — that is, feudalism. As a young American political scientist, Professor Louis Hartz of Harvard, has brilliantly argued in his recent book The Liberal Tradition in America, the absence of feudalism is a basic factor in accounting for the pervasive liberalism of the American political climate.
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I can see the founding of the USA as an extremely Liberal event. Challenging the status quo in this fashion pretty much has to be so.
Unfortunately, it is looking as if the country is moving backwards in relation to the founding with so many who are authoritarian in mind set and who have signed off on the destruction of the Constitution.
There were conservatives in America in the 1700s– they were called Tories.
What a fine, fine post Blue Texan!!!
A fine piece of work you layered together.
My thanks!
And as Dakine sez, we’re sliding backwards, and have been, for way too long.
I’d further that with the idea that it’s been the FEUDALISM of the corporatist rise, indeed the ACT of corporations becoming different and having different rights than individuals, a FEUDALIST rise of corporate control over our country, that’s now dooming us.
We GOT our feudalism, only just like America and American’s, it’s far apart and unique from Europe’s and the rest of the world’s more customary version of a feudal existence.
But if ya matched up the 13th Century version of feudalism, and layered it over what WE have today, I’d bet the parallel’s would overlap identically on a LOT of fronts/issues.
We’re vassals of the corporate lords, plain and simple. And our elected officials and the process of voting for them has become a thinly veiled disguised attempt to fool the masses into thinking we are still a democratic republic.
Happy 4th USA! A day to reconsider, absolutely, what progressivism and liberalism and the BIRTH of our nation was, and what we’ve lost since.
Your post Blue Tex, was spot on in that vein.
Thanks again! *G*
OT Palin lead ABC story….
Been having a fight over at my Kidney Cancer Listserve about “socialized” and how Obama wants to socialized everything……
Today of all days….. our anniversary of the birth of our country…. where the Declaration of Independence starts WE THE PEOPLE……
THAT means we ALL own the VA system, the city hall, public library, police, fire and even the military.
WE THE PEOPLE vote for these things, we decide by our votes or those we voted into office how to manage the things that WE THE PEOPLE own……
I really like my socialized fire department because of all days, it might protect me from some idiot with fireworks….. not only saving MY house but all my neighbors too……
Two of the largest socialized health care systems in the US are the military hospital care system and the VA. I am really glad we have a socialized system because WE THE PEOPLE can have some input on how they are run.
Today is a day to remember that WE THE PEOPLE should be never let up, do what we must and fight for what we need because WE THE PEOPLE actually count.
Fuck Reagan….. and the horse he rode in on….
This is our Legacy! Conservatism would like nothing better than to take that basic right away so The fucking rich can run the country! Seems to me just as Monarchies did for centuries!! Down with Conservatism!!
Why Did our ancestors leave Europe?? To get the fuck away from those who thought They were Better than the rest of us… Fuck’em!!
I could care less about that wench… hope she gets what she deserves!!
You GO Katy!! Happy 4th to you and all the Pups who Oh so much want Our Government to be truly the Government FOR the people and NOT for the Rich assholes who want it their way and just love to take all of our money to buy Their baubles!!
Well back to the smoker… Italian sausage and then Salmon….mmmmmmmmmmmm!!
Pofft!
I was so mad…. these two said I didn’t know what socialized meant and he quoted some dictionary website and said that since I read one website…..
So mad that I could not take a nap….. so mad ….. I was yelling at Elmore while he is driving down here……. about how stupid people are…..
I’m surprised I was not spitting feathers……
Just a report…so you would have liked the Halperin comments about her making a really bad move for any political goals…he was almost sneering. Nice.
Umm.. the Constitution starts with “We the People”.
Declaration of Independence starts with “When in the course of human events” (technically it starts with “In Congress…”)
“Fuck Reagan….. and the horse he rode in on….”
HeHe :-) Couldn’t agree more. Go Katy!
Fuck Reagan… with the horse he rode in on.
Actually that would be better but I really was so mad that I mixed them up them….
The think that pisses me off is that a Kidney Cancer forum should be about how we support each other, side effects and successes of the latest treatments. Report our good and the bad scans for that support. Find good specialists and care centers and post research…..
NOT throwing out political lies that are repeated on faux noise……
the absence of feudalism is a basic factor in accounting for the pervasive liberalism of the American political climate
A defect which conservatives have sought to remedy since the inception of the Republic. We are unfortunate enough to live in one of those periods when they have been particularly successful (as in the 1890s and 1920s).
A kidney cancer forum should be about healing, how to get the care you need. Getting care does have political implications… best to shy away from the politics and concentrate on healing.
My former SO had a son with a brain tumor, in addition to treatment and support discussion there was a lot of talk about getting a National Registry for brain tumors on that mailing list. Not so much about access to treatment/socialized medicine talk.
“The great advantage of the American,” Tocqueville wrote over a century ago, “is that he has arrived at a state of democracy without having to endure a democratic revolution and that he is born free without having to become so.”
Hmmmm … I think the descendants of African American slaves might argue with that. I also think that women, who were not allowed to vote might argue with that, and that GLBTTQ Americans might argue with that even today.
Curious,
Heather
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AMEN !!!!
Healing Hugs,
Heather
Yes, because, of course those who need care and can’t get it, or who got care too late, because of the alleged American health care “system” should just sit down and be quiet.
(Sorry, I am truly not usually like this, but you hit a button.)
Sadly,
For Dan,
Heather
Whew’ee can’t says I blame you Katy for feeling that way. I am still amazed at just how uninformed/undereducated many of our fellow Citizens are!! Maybe just maybe you would think they just might take the time to really educate themselves on what is happening! I mean WTF these Medical insurance companies are trying to make us think like Sheeples! No inkling at all what they are really doing is fleecing all of us for their Make Believe health insurance!!!!
You keep up the good work Katy!!
I disagree with Schlesinger. Whatever ‘feudalism’ is, we had our own backward, antidemocratic social order right here. It was held up by the institution of chattel slavery and the social and economic traditions that grew out of that slavery. It was the original, unspoken ‘deal with the Devil’ that was a built-in birth defect of our Constitution, and we’re still hobbled by it today. It’s the lifeblood of wingnut politics, and if we continue to ignore it (”we” being liberals who are supposed to know better) or downplay it, it will continue to destroy what is left of our republic.
Sorry dakino01, I was a student of history.
I studied the period for 20 years before the American Revolution and for 30 years after.
Of ALL of the complaints of the leaders of the revolution against the crown every single complaint became worse for the common man after the revolution.
Twice as many people voted in the colonial legislatures before the revolution than did afterward. Because the rich made property a qualification for voting.
The onerous taxes tripled as the ‘merican merchants and manufacturers controlled trade.
Only one single signer of the Declaration of Independence served in a battle. Not one single signer of the Declaration lost a son or daughter in the war.
200,000 people left the US after the surrender of Cornwallis. Who got their assets? The compensation cases were still being tried in the British courts in the 1840s, because the British did compensate their war victims. We did NOT.
But hey what do I know?
Well, eight years of a war of independence may have had some bearing on the changes.
My understanding of the history involved is that, yes, most of the signers were in fact fairly well-to-do. But no matter how well-to-do they were, they were NOT given representation in Parliament. You know? That old “No taxation without representation” thing?
Since my ancestors fought on the frontier in Kentucky on the side of the colonials and were not Tories, I think I’ll happily stay on the side that says the Declaration of Independence was in fact a quite liberal document.
And it still is a liberal document for all the faults of the original signers (and they were many and manifest).