Good morning BT & everyone.

June job losses out in 1/2 hour.

democracynow reports U.S. Marines are launching their largest offensive since VN in Helmand Province. That should work out well. /s

Mornin’, BT, pups

John Bolton, superhero neocon warmonger (from Wiki):

Though Bolton supported the Vietnam War, he enlisted in the Maryland Army National Guard, but did not serve in Vietnam. He wrote in his Yale 25th reunion book “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost.”[9] In an interview, Bolton discussed his comment in the reunion book, explaining that he decided to avoid service in Vietnam because “by the time I was about to graduate in 1970, it was clear to me that opponents of the Vietnam War had made it certain we could not prevail, and that I had no great interest in going there to have Teddy Kennedy give it back to the people I might die to take it away from.” [10][11]

Yep, those nasty dfh’s kept the military from winning.

Now he’s urging Israel to strike Iran. Fuck you, Bolton.

Where are the jobs going to come from?

High unemployment is always a good excuse for starting a new war.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..24394.html

Looking at a clip from yesterday’s “town hall,” it seems that Obama’s cure for the U.S. medical care problem is for his office to handle every one on a case by case basis.

Morning all, Obama’s getting complaints about pressers. Wish the press would give exposure to the complaints about it.

This whole “controlled town hall meeting” brouhaha. Why did they do this? Especially after the Mico thing (which was bullshit but it happened). I mean Obama is quite capable of handling questions. Look, I know town halls are really bullshit. This probbaly happens all the time. But why would they do it when it makes them look bad and isn’t necessary?

There was a time when I thought we might kinda miss Sarah Palin and her folks in a twisted, poke-yourself-in-the-eye way. But the woman simply refuses to go away. Note to Republicans: You can do better than this. You have a long history of it. Dan Quayle, for example.

I anticipated you in my 2.

Obama’s first major foreign policy move was to expand the U.S. war against Islam to a third country and created 1-2 million more refugees in the process.

My read is that he is not urging, he is demanding that military action is the only available course now.

I would only add to your very appropriate “fuck you John Bolton”; fuck you, you fucking fuck, John Bolton.

Thanks for the linkfest BT.

Good morning pups.

betcha she can beat ya in a race. she said so. she loves to sweat and have her thighs ache. she said so.

Taliban has captured 1 U.S. soldier.

Most rational and sane people recognize that single payer is the most cost effective and equitable yet in the U.S. the thought is anethema to the sensibilities of Congress, the administration, the corporate media and the oligarchy.

It would seem your 1 and 2 tie together.

Attaturk’s thread downstairs highlights the recent coup in Honduras. History repeats itself. Three months into the Kennedy administration, the CIA (starry Poppy Bush) launched its Bay of Pigs fiasco. TarheelDem asked

Did any rogue elements of the CIA or the US military enable this coup to happen without presidential authorization?

The Bay of Pigs caught Kennedy unaware. He responded forcefully by firing Alland Dulles, the CIA chief. We all know what happened next.

Heard that. All the more reason for imposing even more draconian measures on the Afghan people. After all, 1 U.S. soldier is worth a lot more that 25 million brown people.

Left ya a note about grits downstairs.

Funny, my contractor (a pink diaper baby) pointed out the Bay of Pigs analogy yesterday. My working hypothesis is that the U.S. behind the Honduras coup, thru SoA proxies, and that Obama knew nothing (and my still know nothing) about it. And yes, it was likely under planning for awhile. Yesterday on democracynow, they pointed out that Zalaya started turning more liberal in 2007 and has complained mightily about U.S. war on drugs. What would the CIA do for funding for their really dirty projects if they couldn’t fund them thru drugs?

Unlike the U.S. backed coup in Venezuela, it seems the people of Honduras are not organized enought to stand up in opposition.

Oh, yeah? Well, I can break a hurty-thigh sweat in 15 seconds walking to the mailbox. I said so.

Sincerely, She Whose Children Have Boring-Ass Traditional Names

So I wonder if we’ll send Negroponte back to Honduras to remind the military that brutalizing the natives is the best way to go.

This is terrifying. John Bolton is terrifying.

The cost of error could be fatal (says Bolton)

And why does this suddenly bother him? (Rhetorical)

Number One Son’s info from a coupla months ago starting to look pretty much on track.

It may be just Marines now, but look for the Army to be coming in large real soon….

Clearly Cheney is still running the Shadow Government on behalf of GHW, Kissinger, Rockefeller, The Crown, BP, Exxon/Mobil, Goldman, JP Morgan/Chase, The CFR, The Fed, et al).

As he did on 9/11, the next attack and subsequent war are a foregone conclusion, and again, Cheney will be at the helm.

As for Bolton, he works for Israel.

It seems as though Treason has been legalized.

Seems Negroponte’s knocking around looking for somewhere to get into trouble.

Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires.

Yeah, but those empires were not the American empire. The U.S. is different.

NO shit, punk ass motherfucker. Like the people who did die in that worthless shit desired to.

It seems as though Treason has been legalized.

Old news.

You need to read about what they are doing before you get all puffed up.

The U.S. is different.

snark tag is missing.

Oh shit, I forgot about U.S. exceptionalism.

the wingnuts are trashing the VF article but I think they love the one in Runners World – imagine their reaction to the thought of Sarah thigh sweat. That’s a happy bunch.

This op is a lot like the early Marine CAP missions, arguably the most effective thing we did in Vietnam. It was quickly shitcanned but Tanker Westmoreland in favor of large scale search and destroy missions.

U.S. behind the Honduras coup, thru SoA proxies, and that Obama knew nothing

The bolded is the most disturbing element. If true, it confirms that the US government (per the Constitution) is a farce. The shadow goverment runs the show.

Got a link so I can become better informed?

Admit that history of Afghanistan colors my comments. Happy to learn more about today’s specifics.

On health care, Obama doesn’t want to have to answer this question:

“Why not just abolish the health insurance industry altogether? Why are most health dollars flowing to insurance companies who provide no care at all?”

THAT is the elephant in the LOBBY.

Warren Buffet…follow the money.

Okay, snark off for a moment. Raven, SD, others who served: While not personally responsible for his kind, I am so sorry for the self-serving pontificating of Bolton the Draft-Dodging Bully Boy. What an ass. What a hard-nosed, self-absorbed, sharp-shinned ass.

June job losses 467,000, worse than the 360,000 expected. Unemployment rate rose a smidge from 9.4% to 9.5%.

But lets jump all over Pelosi for calling out the CIA.

jobless rate goes to 9.5%

Hey, hey, hey!!!! You forgot???!!! July 4th commin up. And you forgot???!!! You ain’t in the red-white-and blue spirit. C’mon. Go put your flag out. Buy some fireworks. get with it here!!!!

the May number was revised but i missed what they said.

It was quickly shitcanned but Tanker Westmoreland in favor of large scale search and destroy missions.

again,(if my son’s info is right), we’re looking at that same scenario in Afghanistan.

Second verse, same as the first.

The change in total nonfarm employment for April was revised from
-504,000 to -519,000, and the change for May was revised from -345,000
to -322,000.

Report here.

Calling out the CIA has never been and never will be a good career move.

The market will rebound today after the release of the numbers. Less jobs means higher quarterly earnings for the big boys and shares will go up.

Financial markets seem to be forgetting about “green shoots.” Fixed income rallying, stocks declining. Duh.

Here is a CAP website, bit flag wavy for me but it has useful info. I don’t think we should have been in Vietnam and I am mixed about Afghanistan but when you look at what the mission on these Marines is they are similar.

“Where we go we will stay, and where we stay, we will hold, build and work toward transition of all security responsibilities to Afghan forces,” Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Larry Nicholson said in a statement.

Now I know that many here just want us to di-di tomorrow but it’s not going to happen. Will this work? I don’t know.

Yes, but who will buy their stuff?

Not the initial reaction (see my 46), but the day is young.

To be nonsnarky for just a moment, I’d point out that corps can’t make profits no matter how much they cut costs, if they don’t have any customers.

CAP Marines

Geez, you & I are doing a tag team this fine (not, still raining) morning. I’m coffeed out, but what is your beverage of choice?

Damn, I got 12 of those little stars on my ribbon.

We’re not the only consumers in the world.

I’ll check out your link in a bit. Thanks. But responding to the quote you pulled out, that’s standard coin, but it rarely works because the military aspect of the mission usually overpowers the hearts & mind aspect.

Yes we are. Look at the U.S. trade deficit.

I only got 4, sniff sniff. But they did finally authorize a Korean Defense to replace the AEF. I love to read about all those “counteroffensives”!

I shall not argue withcha.

Blue America asks you to please cast your vote for your favorite of three tv ads (that Digby wrote!) so they can get Blanche Lincoln’s attention by blanketing television-watching households in ARKANSAS with the best one. You can vote with your pocketbook, too. More money means more voters in AR learn how blanche takes big cash payoffs and votes against providing affordable health care for her constituent’s kids.

Pat Lange always brings interesting perspectives to this conversation.

The same. High test only.

I’m gonna whine for one comment. We got a record breaking (something like 130 years of history) over 13″ of rain in June. Prior record was 12.2″. And it’s still raining. /whine

Hold out your cup. I make my own blend of 2/3 French roast, 1/3 mocha java. It’s rich in flavor & caffein both.

Now THAT is funny. It’s comforting to know that our economic security is dependent on the purchases of the little brown people.

OMG, “Wan” Williams was guest host on the O’Reilly Factor last night. Seems he was all outraged about Obama’s response to the coup in Honduras.

I guess he’s now the black Bill O’Reilly.

Sounds tempting. I’ll try your recipe.

It’s been cool and rainy here in Michigan, too. And right during my 6 week layoff. Damn. I think I’ll move to Texas. I know there’s a lot of rednecks there but at least they have good hot summer weather!

June was #2 here. Record was set in 1882 we missed that by 0.1 inch

Hmm, I tried editing that Blue American link twice now. Try THIS.

Could a nice lurking mod fix the link in 58 to this one, please? thanks.

Yeah, the naming of the campaigns is something else. My page 4 (Medals, Awards, Education) has all these “Tet Counteroffensive [insert Roman numeral here]” fillin’ the damn page. When I got out there were 14 named campaigns. I had a star for 12.

From your Pat Lange link:

The wondrous wonderfulness of Counterinsurgency (COIN) as a panacea appeals greatly to today’s officers. Military officers are always looking to get promoted. They climb onto any “bandwagon” rolling in the right direction. Today the “bandwagon” has “COIN” painted on the side. Tomorrow? Who knows what fell beast of brooding is slouching toward the dawn of some new doctrinal “revolution.”

Jumping in without prior thread read but here’s an interesting innovation of incorporating farming activities into housing developments I just came across:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07…..m.html?hpw

An idea whose time is long past due. Auntie Toby will love it! :-)

you mean war isn’t a capitalist adventure?

huh.

Yea, I sent it too you because I thought he gave an honest analysis.

Thanks for the heads up on this jacaqrat.

Who the heck is this person msnbc has doing the 9:00 slot?

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

Mornin’ Blue Texan and Firedogs,

Waccamaw – are North Carolinians generally aware of Hagan’s intransigence ?? any real heat yet for her locally ?

Mornin’ BT and Pups.

eCAHN, sorry but I just don’t get it. It seems he’s never gonna win over everyone. If he deals in overarching themes, he’s accused of speaking in meaningless generalities, but if he pulls out a specific example, then he’s pandering and posturing for the cameras alone.

Luckily (imo), he’s strong enough to carry on, providing a mix in his pressers or, as some would have it, pleasing no one.

Danged if e do & danged if e don’t.

I still think his approach seems to show a strong element of encouraging public opinion to build, perhaps, just perhaps, in a rather savvy attempt to steer Congressional action to back up what he wanted to do in the 1st place.

Color me blame plagued w.r.o.n.g. if you want, but I don’t think his plans have played out their inherent potential yet. He does, after all, have a few months left yet before running for re-election.

If the foregoing makes no sense to you, it’s probably because I haven’t even finished 1/2 my coffee yet, and I’m tired. Big, full, productive, exhausting day yestidie, but we now have KEYS to our new abode, and even dared to turn on the refrig.

Long live civil discourse. amen.

so drag:

got the post about grist. Maybe i didn’t like ‘em b/c i didn’t know what to do withn ‘em. don’t know what i put on ‘em. not butter i know that. but at least I didn’t eat ‘em like cereal – bowl, milk, sugar. i just kinda slopped ‘em on my plate with the eggs. gotta give ‘em another try, i guess.

Just checked out the site a little bit.

There are many reasons why hearts & minds rarely works, but here’s one I just reading about, from Horne’s Savage War of Peace, the classic on the Algerian war for independence. The insurgents had a deliberate policy of creating horrific events, knowing that the offended French would react with even more horrific retaliations, thus losing hearts & minds. The French also had a program of helping the locals thru school building, increasing their political participation, etc. There’s nothing new about that. (Always too little, too late, though, trying to do things in 1957 that might have worked a decade earlier when the sides of the conflict were not as polarized.)

So one key is how the U.S. responds militarily to Taliban attrocities. So far, civilian casualties look like the French model is the way they’re going. But we’ll see.

His name is Raddigan I think. Hope he doesn’t last long. Loud mouth know it all who shouts down his guests before they have a chance to complete a sentence.

Good morning Adie.

I wouldn’t bitch about the episode where Obama hugs a woman who can’t afford to get medical care for her tumor if Obama’s general plan had substance. That episode was a good public relations ploy, but to what overarching end?

Kids usually put their eggs on top and cut ‘em up, makin’ an ugly mess. A little butter, salt, pepper and eat ‘em like ya would hash browns. Yeah, they’re bland. They’re from dried corn (hominy) and ground up.

Dylan Ratigan

I watched his show yesterday and had to turn it off.

United Airlines computers are down at O’Hare, since 5:30 ET. Doing boarding passes by hand. On the travel day before the holiday weekend.

Wow. Just wow.

Christy is upstairs…

The Battle of Algiers is a film that really drives this home.

I don’t have any answers. I certainly respect your take on it all. We just have to wait and watch carefully, I guess. Yes, and pester our critters in ways that will be as effective as they can possibly be.

I can’t give you a knowledgeable answer on that…..but it ain’t like we wasn’t warned. :-( One of those “voting for the least worst” candidates at chez Waccamaw, tho’.

I’m definitely getting that same impression. Thanks!

Great film.

I agree. Actually, I would be really surprised if the Debbie lady was a shill. I was wishing that they had actually staged someone who wasn’t asking for immediate help for a situation for which there is no help under current circumstances. It reminds me of the scene in Jesus Christ, Superstar, where he goes into the leper colony. I don’t think it would serve to have him deal with requests for miracles.