Comments on: John Kyl and Richard Perle: Nuclear Weapons Keep the World Safe, Except When People We Don’t Like Have Them http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:39:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926128 MarkH Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:54:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926128 <p>McCain has gotten a lot of defense appropriations for AZ, so Kyl is probably helping him. It’s not uncommon for a state’s delegation to play as a team.</p> <p>Who are the AZ reps? What committee(s) are they on?</p> <p>Will one authorize it and another ask for it to be financed?</p> <p>Budget battles…yech.</p> McCain has gotten a lot of defense appropriations for AZ, so Kyl is probably helping him. It’s not uncommon for a state’s delegation to play as a team.

Who are the AZ reps? What committee(s) are they on?

Will one authorize it and another ask for it to be financed?

Budget battles…yech.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926127 MarkH Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:52:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926127 <p>I heard Perle say one he wasn’t for the Iraq adventure. He just wanted us to take down Iran.</p> <p>Talk about crazy icing on crazy cake.</p> I heard Perle say one he wasn’t for the Iraq adventure. He just wanted us to take down Iran.

Talk about crazy icing on crazy cake.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926126 MarkH Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:51:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926126 <p>At least it’s a fascinating idea to think there is *that* much surplus, so that the sale of it might end a big part of our debt.</p> <p>How on earth could anyone figure out it’s worth and what part has technology we still wouldn’t want to let go of?</p> At least it’s a fascinating idea to think there is *that* much surplus, so that the sale of it might end a big part of our debt.

How on earth could anyone figure out it’s worth and what part has technology we still wouldn’t want to let go of?

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926125 MarkH Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:46:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1926125 <p>If Repubs didn’t waste our ‘defense’ resources on things like Iraq then there wouldn’t be as much need for ‘rebuilding’.</p> If Repubs didn’t waste our ‘defense’ resources on things like Iraq then there wouldn’t be as much need for ‘rebuilding’.

]]> By: plunger http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925965 plunger Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:24:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925965 <p>Why is Ricard Perle provided a platform in this once venerable paper?</p> <p>Because one of the world’s most powerful Zionists bought it.</p> <p>Perle should be in prison for espionage and treason.</p> Why is Ricard Perle provided a platform in this once venerable paper?

Because one of the world’s most powerful Zionists bought it.

Perle should be in prison for espionage and treason.

]]> By: Rayne http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925955 Rayne Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:12:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925955 <p>We stood a better chance at keeping NK from having a nuclear arsenal when there were inspectors in the country and we were providing them with enough energy technology to keep them from using uranium/plutonium refinement as a necessary precursor to nuclear generated electricity.</p> <p>Right now we have very few eyes inside the country and cannot be certain how smoothly the transition of power from father to son will be, especially with the son being only 26 years old. Far too easy for a power vacuum to happen and the technology in the country to fall into the wrong hands — and no overt inspectors/reporters on the ground.</p> We stood a better chance at keeping NK from having a nuclear arsenal when there were inspectors in the country and we were providing them with enough energy technology to keep them from using uranium/plutonium refinement as a necessary precursor to nuclear generated electricity.

Right now we have very few eyes inside the country and cannot be certain how smoothly the transition of power from father to son will be, especially with the son being only 26 years old. Far too easy for a power vacuum to happen and the technology in the country to fall into the wrong hands — and no overt inspectors/reporters on the ground.

]]> By: Blue Texan http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925946 Blue Texan Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:50:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925946 <blockquote><p> this all being said, I think can probably agree that Nth Korea not having nukes is probably a good thing. </p></blockquote> <p>Yes, the fewer the better is my position, including for us. The neocons’ position is “lots for us, and no one else gets any, and we’ll bomb/invade you to see to it.”</p> <p>Kinda nonsensical and self-defeating.</p>

this all being said, I think can probably agree that Nth Korea not having nukes is probably a good thing.

Yes, the fewer the better is my position, including for us. The neocons’ position is “lots for us, and no one else gets any, and we’ll bomb/invade you to see to it.”

Kinda nonsensical and self-defeating.

]]> By: Blub http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925944 Blub Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:23:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925944 <p>this all being said, I think can probably agree that Nth Korea not having nukes is probably a good thing. </p> <p>Interestingly, different nuclear powers seem to have different attitudes toward the value of different types nuclear arsenals:</p> <p># nuclear weapon delivery systems, strategic vs tactical (source CDI)</p> <p>US 7200 strategic, 3300 tactical<br /> Russia 6000 strategic, 4000 tactical<br /> France 384 strategic, 80 tactical<br /> UK 185 strategic, 0 tactical<br /> China 20 strategic, 390 tactical<br /> Pakistan 15 strategic, 0 tactical<br /> Israel 0 strategic, 200 tactical<br /> India 0 strategic, 60 tactical</p> <p>Does anyone doubt that China or India could have more strategic nukes if they wanted? These nuke arsenals really aren’t the same thing at all. Basically, Israel’s, India’s and China’s arsenals seem to be designed to prevail on large, open battlefields or naval theaters while America’s, Russia’s, England’s (and troublingly, Pakistan’s) appear to be designed to wipe out civilization as we know it - repeatedly.</p> this all being said, I think can probably agree that Nth Korea not having nukes is probably a good thing.

Interestingly, different nuclear powers seem to have different attitudes toward the value of different types nuclear arsenals:

# nuclear weapon delivery systems, strategic vs tactical (source CDI)

US 7200 strategic, 3300 tactical
Russia 6000 strategic, 4000 tactical
France 384 strategic, 80 tactical
UK 185 strategic, 0 tactical
China 20 strategic, 390 tactical
Pakistan 15 strategic, 0 tactical
Israel 0 strategic, 200 tactical
India 0 strategic, 60 tactical

Does anyone doubt that China or India could have more strategic nukes if they wanted? These nuke arsenals really aren’t the same thing at all. Basically, Israel’s, India’s and China’s arsenals seem to be designed to prevail on large, open battlefields or naval theaters while America’s, Russia’s, England’s (and troublingly, Pakistan’s) appear to be designed to wipe out civilization as we know it – repeatedly.

]]> By: biffdiggerence http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925942 biffdiggerence Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:00:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925942 <p>Did Perle whip out his copy of “World Targets in Megadeaths”?</p> Did Perle whip out his copy of “World Targets in Megadeaths”?

]]> By: Rayne http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925941 Rayne Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:52:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/29/john-kyl-and-richard-perle-nuclear-weapons-keep-the-world-safe-except-when-people-we-dont-like-have-them/#comment-1925941 <p>Yeah, not forgotten, and Kyl had no cred for that, either, except for his ability to be a willing meat puppet.</p> <p>Jeebus, can you imagine those two dorks running for POTUS/VP?</p> Yeah, not forgotten, and Kyl had no cred for that, either, except for his ability to be a willing meat puppet.

Jeebus, can you imagine those two dorks running for POTUS/VP?

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