Comments on: The Real Meaning of Waxman-Markey http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:46:55 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: robspierre http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925622 robspierre Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:43:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925622 <p>What astonishes me is how rent–the antithesis of capitalist productivity–has been transmogrified into the claimed essence of capitalism. Unless the conversation is restricted to classically trained economists and 19th- and 19th-century scholars, one of the most characteristically Liberal philosophies is now claimed as the foundation of throwback Conservative, theocratic, and neo-monarchist thinking. We are truly down the rabbit hole.</p> What astonishes me is how rent–the antithesis of capitalist productivity–has been transmogrified into the claimed essence of capitalism. Unless the conversation is restricted to classically trained economists and 19th- and 19th-century scholars, one of the most characteristically Liberal philosophies is now claimed as the foundation of throwback Conservative, theocratic, and neo-monarchist thinking. We are truly down the rabbit hole.

]]> By: DrZen http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925375 DrZen Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:23:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925375 <p>Waxman-Markey is a death warrant for the climate, sadly. But yeah, it will create a few jobs in coal extraction, so it’s all good, huh? As usual, America will look after itself and fuck the rest of us until this world is uninhabitable to anything but cockroaches.</p> Waxman-Markey is a death warrant for the climate, sadly. But yeah, it will create a few jobs in coal extraction, so it’s all good, huh? As usual, America will look after itself and fuck the rest of us until this world is uninhabitable to anything but cockroaches.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925341 MarkH Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:57:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925341 <p>Fundamentally, the health industry crisis exists because a doctor asks for a large amount of money and the patient who is ill feels there is no choice but to pay.</p> <p>Having a public option where the doctors are not paid so much will reduce the amount of money flowing into the system.</p> <p>The new gov’t energy policy is meant to act similarly: forcing higher prices on energy produced by carbon sources would be akin to taxing the health industry (something legislators haven’t even discussed yet) to pay for the public option and handing the money over to producers of other kinds of non-carbon-based energy sources (similar to using health industry taxes to fund subsidies to people buying the public option health care).</p> <p>It’s an aggressive idea if done right. It directly tackles a problem the industry hasn’t.</p> <p>It faces the constant drain of money from America to foreign energy suppliers and it works to create more competition in the energy market by building up alternatives to oil, coal & nuclear.</p> <p>I hope it’s a good bill because we need all this.</p> <p>A happy side effect is that new energy market development means more jobs!</p> Fundamentally, the health industry crisis exists because a doctor asks for a large amount of money and the patient who is ill feels there is no choice but to pay.

Having a public option where the doctors are not paid so much will reduce the amount of money flowing into the system.

The new gov’t energy policy is meant to act similarly: forcing higher prices on energy produced by carbon sources would be akin to taxing the health industry (something legislators haven’t even discussed yet) to pay for the public option and handing the money over to producers of other kinds of non-carbon-based energy sources (similar to using health industry taxes to fund subsidies to people buying the public option health care).

It’s an aggressive idea if done right. It directly tackles a problem the industry hasn’t.

It faces the constant drain of money from America to foreign energy suppliers and it works to create more competition in the energy market by building up alternatives to oil, coal & nuclear.

I hope it’s a good bill because we need all this.

A happy side effect is that new energy market development means more jobs!

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925303 selise Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:11:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925303 <p>that is correct.<br /><a href="http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/greenpeaceusa_blog/2009/06/25/greenpeace_opposes_waxman_markey" rel="nofollow">http://members.greenpeace.org/.....man_markey</a></p> that is correct.
http://members.greenpeace.org/…..man_markey

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925300 dakine01 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:03:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925300 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-robert-wright-the-evolution-of-god/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon a few flights upstairs</a> with Robert Wright’s <i>The Evolution of God</i> hosted by John Horgan</p> Book Salon a few flights upstairs with Robert Wright’s The Evolution of God hosted by John Horgan

]]> By: EvilDrPuma http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925296 EvilDrPuma Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:44:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925296 <blockquote><p>the teabaggers are furious. </p></blockquote> <p><em>Status quo</em>.</p>

the teabaggers are furious.

Status quo.

]]> By: greenwarrior http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925295 greenwarrior Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:40:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925295 <p>i don’t know where i read it, but somewhere i saw that one provision either explicitly or indirectly took away the powers to regulate from the epa. does anyone know anything about this?</p> i don’t know where i read it, but somewhere i saw that one provision either explicitly or indirectly took away the powers to regulate from the epa. does anyone know anything about this?

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925294 Beerfart Liberal Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:26:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925294 <p>well, and nobody read it, doncha know. the teabaggers are furious. for some reason I’m getting e-mails from them and they are <em>very</em> displeased. i’ve been invited to 2 different teaparties in my town on the 4th of july I guess infighting is to be expected in such a grass-rootsy movement.</p> <p>this is an excellent post</p> well, and nobody read it, doncha know. the teabaggers are furious. for some reason I’m getting e-mails from them and they are very displeased. i’ve been invited to 2 different teaparties in my town on the 4th of july I guess infighting is to be expected in such a grass-rootsy movement.

this is an excellent post

]]> By: ART45 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925293 ART45 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:20:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925293 <p>I’m extremely skeptical about Waxman-Markey.</p> <p>For the simple reason that almost all federal legislation touching on environmental or economic matters has proven to be seriously flawed — either in its drafting, its execution, or its outcomes.</p> I’m extremely skeptical about Waxman-Markey.

For the simple reason that almost all federal legislation touching on environmental or economic matters has proven to be seriously flawed — either in its drafting, its execution, or its outcomes.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925292 Beerfart Liberal Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:14:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/the-real-meaning-of-waxman-markey/#comment-1925292 <p>shit.<br /> 3-2 bad guys</p> shit.
3-2 bad guys

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