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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925912</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Read what I was saying in the context of the assertion made by ecahnomics that I was discussing. That statement was not a defense of the war, or a discussion of it’s course and effects.&lt;br /&gt;
If you pull it out alone and read it to be some endousement of the war, then I will have doubts about your wisdom.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read what I was saying in the context of the assertion made by ecahnomics that I was discussing. That statement was not a defense of the war, or a discussion of it’s course and effects.<br />
If you pull it out alone and read it to be some endousement of the war, then I will have doubts about your wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: windy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925852</link>
		<dc:creator>windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mullah Mustafa said his six-year old son and his ten-year old brother were killed in the air strike.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mustafa warns that such bombings that target non-combatants will drive the support of the people towards the militants.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Something must have been lost in translation… I doubt his first concern in such a situation would be the killers of his little son and brother losing “the support of the people”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mullah Mustafa said his six-year old son and his ten-year old brother were killed in the air strike.</em><br /><em>Mustafa warns that such bombings that target non-combatants will drive the support of the people towards the militants.</em></p>
<p>Something must have been lost in translation… I doubt his first concern in such a situation would be the killers of his little son and brother losing “the support of the people”?</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925847</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ricks was seriously avoiding discussing McCrystal at all at that salon, even said something negative about the journalist, Gareth Porter, who was spotlighting McCrystal negatively in other websites. Since Fiasco (which I never read but heard so much positive stuff about) it seems Ricks maybe has been drinking a lot more military kool-aid? Watched him a bit on Charlie Rose recently. Seems like Charlie hitting the kool-aid, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricks was seriously avoiding discussing McCrystal at all at that salon, even said something negative about the journalist, Gareth Porter, who was spotlighting McCrystal negatively in other websites. Since Fiasco (which I never read but heard so much positive stuff about) it seems Ricks maybe has been drinking a lot more military kool-aid? Watched him a bit on Charlie Rose recently. Seems like Charlie hitting the kool-aid, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925846</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How do you feel about accepting that we ended the bulk of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq under the direction of Petraeus and that his priority was to protect the population and separate it from the foreign element of the insurgency? That he was following the precepts of Kilcullen and that Kilcullen insists that hearts and minds of the population is the decisive factor?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmm… anything to do with massive population transfers and over a million refugees fleeing? Anything to do with 100,000s killed, and miles of walls in Baghdad? But now Iraq has been made peaceful… oh yeah, except for all the violence. From NY Times article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/world/middleeast/26iraq.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;7 Bombs Strike in Iraq as Violence Spreads&lt;/a&gt; (6/25):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, the death toll from a bombing at a crowded market in the Sadr City section of Baghdad on Wednesday night continued to rise. Hospital officials said Thursday that 76 people had been killed and 158 wounded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That bomb, which was mounted on a motorcycle, was at least the third in two weeks to cause dozens of deaths in Iraqi Shiite communities. On Saturday, a truck bomb in Taza, a Shiite Turkmen area in northern Iraq, killed at least 68 people. On June 10, a car bomb exploded outside Nasiriya, the capital of a predominantly Shiite province in southern Iraq where bombings are rare. That attack killed at least 28 people and incited a near riot among survivors who threw stones at the police, blaming them for lax security.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bombings on Thursday occurred just five days before American forces were scheduled to withdraw from Iraqi cities, towns and villages, as required under the Iraqi-American security agreement. In Baghdad, many of the troops have already withdrawn, and whatever preventive effect they had may well be quickly evaporating. In their absence, insurgent groups appear to be testing the security system now run almost wholly by Iraqis.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You must think we are fools.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How do you feel about accepting that we ended the bulk of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq under the direction of Petraeus and that his priority was to protect the population and separate it from the foreign element of the insurgency? That he was following the precepts of Kilcullen and that Kilcullen insists that hearts and minds of the population is the decisive factor?</p>
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<p>Hmmm… anything to do with massive population transfers and over a million refugees fleeing? Anything to do with 100,000s killed, and miles of walls in Baghdad? But now Iraq has been made peaceful… oh yeah, except for all the violence. From NY Times article, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/world/middleeast/26iraq.html" rel="nofollow">7 Bombs Strike in Iraq as Violence Spreads</a> (6/25):</p>
<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, the death toll from a bombing at a crowded market in the Sadr City section of Baghdad on Wednesday night continued to rise. Hospital officials said Thursday that 76 people had been killed and 158 wounded.</p>
<p>That bomb, which was mounted on a motorcycle, was at least the third in two weeks to cause dozens of deaths in Iraqi Shiite communities. On Saturday, a truck bomb in Taza, a Shiite Turkmen area in northern Iraq, killed at least 68 people. On June 10, a car bomb exploded outside Nasiriya, the capital of a predominantly Shiite province in southern Iraq where bombings are rare. That attack killed at least 28 people and incited a near riot among survivors who threw stones at the police, blaming them for lax security.</p>
<p>The bombings on Thursday occurred just five days before American forces were scheduled to withdraw from Iraqi cities, towns and villages, as required under the Iraqi-American security agreement. In Baghdad, many of the troops have already withdrawn, and whatever preventive effect they had may well be quickly evaporating. In their absence, insurgent groups appear to be testing the security system now run almost wholly by Iraqis.</p>
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<p>You must think we are fools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And… when did I stop beating my wife?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re your questions, they are rhetorical, nu? You don’t really expect to be convinced by a comment here, do you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And… when did I stop beating my wife?</p>
<p>Re your questions, they are rhetorical, nu? You don’t really expect to be convinced by a comment here, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925841</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You didn’t stick to script.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn’t stick to script.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925639</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to this one. Thanks Siun. I had noted a few articles while googling about that McCrystal was getting props for being more careful in Afghanistan. Sounded too good to be true. Yes, energy for pr perhaps?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw Gen. Mullen on Cspan today talking about the importance of not releasing photos of torture, and implying dissidents of military policy in this country were making it hard for them. This said grimly and severely. They are the ones putting troops and civilians in harm’s way, but that old chestnut about criticizing the conduct and even existence of the war is betrayal of the troops. Double bind crazymaking jingoistic knot-making.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your heartbreaking videos of the children especially bring a level of reality one thinks one carries, but not by a long shot.  Even not understanding the language we understand the outrage and horrifying pain of these traumatized people. No we don’t, can’t understand, but we get a small taste of it from our safe computers.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks once again for consciousness raising.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to this one. Thanks Siun. I had noted a few articles while googling about that McCrystal was getting props for being more careful in Afghanistan. Sounded too good to be true. Yes, energy for pr perhaps?  </p>
<p>I saw Gen. Mullen on Cspan today talking about the importance of not releasing photos of torture, and implying dissidents of military policy in this country were making it hard for them. This said grimly and severely. They are the ones putting troops and civilians in harm’s way, but that old chestnut about criticizing the conduct and even existence of the war is betrayal of the troops. Double bind crazymaking jingoistic knot-making.  </p>
<p>Your heartbreaking videos of the children especially bring a level of reality one thinks one carries, but not by a long shot.  Even not understanding the language we understand the outrage and horrifying pain of these traumatized people. No we don’t, can’t understand, but we get a small taste of it from our safe computers.  </p>
<p>Thanks once again for consciousness raising.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925633</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I provided a map–you will have to do the driving and sight seeing yourself. The idea of going into Afghanistan was forming up before 9/11/01.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I provided a map–you will have to do the driving and sight seeing yourself. The idea of going into Afghanistan was forming up before 9/11/01.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925621</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;are you crazy enough to never vote for Democratic warmongers, ever again?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if so , congratulations, and here’s to hope, because when enough people realize that voting (D) is a vote against peace, social justice and the environment the political landscape will be at a tipping point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you crazy enough to never vote for Democratic warmongers, ever again?</p>
<p>if so , congratulations, and here’s to hope, because when enough people realize that voting (D) is a vote against peace, social justice and the environment the political landscape will be at a tipping point.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/28/mcchrystal-listening-and-spinning/#comment-1925617</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK. Late &amp; tired. Cashing in my chips. Gnite all &amp; be well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Late &amp; tired. Cashing in my chips. Gnite all &amp; be well.</p>
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