Comments on: Late Late Night FDL: HØPE http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:32:32 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: TheLurkingMod http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922096 TheLurkingMod Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:33:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922096 <p>Attaturk is upstairs!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/americas-concern-troll-3/" rel="nofollow">America’s Concern Troll</a></p> Attaturk is upstairs!
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]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922094 newtonusr Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:32:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922094 <p>nite ecahn. I am out too</p> nite ecahn. I am out too

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922093 newtonusr Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:32:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922093 <p>Completely agree.<br /> For me, I can only say that I have no more than 50% of the say as to an issue of equity between myself and another party. In the case of carrying a pregnancy to term, I feel I have considerably less than 50%.</p> Completely agree.
For me, I can only say that I have no more than 50% of the say as to an issue of equity between myself and another party. In the case of carrying a pregnancy to term, I feel I have considerably less than 50%.

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922092 eCAHNomics Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:31:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922092 <p>Flagging, so saying good nite. Thanks for the discussion, and wish other males would be so understanding.</p> Flagging, so saying good nite. Thanks for the discussion, and wish other males would be so understanding.

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922091 newtonusr Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:29:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922091 <p>Yes, it would be more than nice.<br /> I don’t disagree that a woman is wise to survey those around her for counsel. But the final say must be in the hands of (and I use this term in the legal sense) the burdened. I could never be so burdened.</p> Yes, it would be more than nice.
I don’t disagree that a woman is wise to survey those around her for counsel. But the final say must be in the hands of (and I use this term in the legal sense) the burdened. I could never be so burdened.

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922090 eCAHNomics Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:28:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922090 <p>Walking in others’ shoes very important in this debate. But there are rational ways to discuss it, and on this site we owe it to ourselves to investigate them.</p> Walking in others’ shoes very important in this debate. But there are rational ways to discuss it, and on this site we owe it to ourselves to investigate them.

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922089 newtonusr Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:24:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922089 <p>And for context:<br /> I had a discussion with a woman may years ago in which she took the position that any woman of any age should be allowed to exercise her reproductive independence without notification, and without interference - a position with which I agree.</p> <p>I do find the issue very troubling, as I had sisters who were minors at the time, and I could not articulate my angst about them being in that position.</p> <p>But neither could the woman I spoke with. She argued that the question should be closed, and would not posit her argument except to say that statutory rape victims need protection from incestuous relatives. To me, that is not the entire argument, but it is not unpersuasive.</p> <p>And still, I have no biological imperative from which to argue. I will never be in her position, and I am therefore not entitled to make her walk in my shoes.</p> And for context:
I had a discussion with a woman may years ago in which she took the position that any woman of any age should be allowed to exercise her reproductive independence without notification, and without interference – a position with which I agree.

I do find the issue very troubling, as I had sisters who were minors at the time, and I could not articulate my angst about them being in that position.

But neither could the woman I spoke with. She argued that the question should be closed, and would not posit her argument except to say that statutory rape victims need protection from incestuous relatives. To me, that is not the entire argument, but it is not unpersuasive.

And still, I have no biological imperative from which to argue. I will never be in her position, and I am therefore not entitled to make her walk in my shoes.

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922088 eCAHNomics Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:20:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922088 <p>Powerful case. And I’ll use it in the appropriate circumstances (with or without attribution).</p> <p>But I still think that it would be nice if the father had some say, even pre-birth. As an economist, the issue of compensation comes to mind. If the biological father really wants the kid, he must compensate the biological mother for the physical & emotional effort. And if there’s no dollar figure that can be agreed upon, then your privacy issue rules.</p> Powerful case. And I’ll use it in the appropriate circumstances (with or without attribution).

But I still think that it would be nice if the father had some say, even pre-birth. As an economist, the issue of compensation comes to mind. If the biological father really wants the kid, he must compensate the biological mother for the physical & emotional effort. And if there’s no dollar figure that can be agreed upon, then your privacy issue rules.

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922087 newtonusr Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:20:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922087 <p>nite eureka<br /> nite nahant</p> nite eureka
nite nahant

]]> By: Eureka Springs http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922086 Eureka Springs Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:19:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/22/late-late-night-fdl-h%c3%b8pe/#comment-1922086 <p>Good night nahant.. I’m fading too.</p> <p>Good night fabulous firedogs..)</p> Good night nahant.. I’m fading too.

Good night fabulous firedogs..)

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