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	<title>Comments on: Valuing Democracy: Iran, Iraq and the War Supplemental</title>
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		<title>By: mhender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917994</link>
		<dc:creator>mhender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you haven’t seen these, this will impress you. Pictures from Iranian protests. People wanting democracy and accountability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.boston.com/bigpictu.....ction.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven’t seen these, this will impress you. Pictures from Iranian protests. People wanting democracy and accountability.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/bigpictu&#8230;..ction.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve “listened” to your comments and yield to your superior knowledge of political Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But when it comes to the emergence of women and potential impact on the prevailing culture — whether in Iran or otherwise — I think you are kidding yourself. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enrollment ratios of U.S. women in college have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prb.org/Articles/2007/CrossoverinFemaleMaleCollegeEnrollmentRates.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;climbing above 50% for decades&lt;/a&gt;, and yet we still have massive under-representation in corporate board rooms and in elected positions. Women compromise 17% of the Senate, less than 18% of the House, with a total of 266 women ever having served in Congress. Women here held less than 18% of corporate board seats as of 2004, and hold literally handfuls of positions as CEOs or Chairs of publicly-held corporations, in spite of female college graduates in the pipeline over the last 20 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By these pathetic measures, the U.S. is the best in class globally in terms of women’s advancement. Germany and the UK come close in double-digits, but some countries like Japan are in the basement. Don’t even get me started on compensation levels and percentage of workforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given the condition of women’s advancement globally, and given Iran’s male-centric theocratic government founded deeply in national culture, your suggestion that the rolling-back of advances for Iranian women is unsustainable is rather naive. Advances for women everywhere are happening at a glacial pace, and it’s no different in Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll grant you, though, that the U.S. and Iran share this in common with regards to women’s advancement: Iran is one of six countries which has not signed the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW). The U.S., while a signatory since 1980, hasn’t ratified it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve “listened” to your comments and yield to your superior knowledge of political Iran.</p>
<p>But when it comes to the emergence of women and potential impact on the prevailing culture — whether in Iran or otherwise — I think you are kidding yourself. </p>
<p>Enrollment ratios of U.S. women in college have been <a href="http://www.prb.org/Articles/2007/CrossoverinFemaleMaleCollegeEnrollmentRates.aspx" rel="nofollow">climbing above 50% for decades</a>, and yet we still have massive under-representation in corporate board rooms and in elected positions. Women compromise 17% of the Senate, less than 18% of the House, with a total of 266 women ever having served in Congress. Women here held less than 18% of corporate board seats as of 2004, and hold literally handfuls of positions as CEOs or Chairs of publicly-held corporations, in spite of female college graduates in the pipeline over the last 20 years.</p>
<p>By these pathetic measures, the U.S. is the best in class globally in terms of women’s advancement. Germany and the UK come close in double-digits, but some countries like Japan are in the basement. Don’t even get me started on compensation levels and percentage of workforce.</p>
<p>Given the condition of women’s advancement globally, and given Iran’s male-centric theocratic government founded deeply in national culture, your suggestion that the rolling-back of advances for Iranian women is unsustainable is rather naive. Advances for women everywhere are happening at a glacial pace, and it’s no different in Iran.</p>
<p>I’ll grant you, though, that the U.S. and Iran share this in common with regards to women’s advancement: Iran is one of six countries which has not signed the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW). The U.S., while a signatory since 1980, hasn’t ratified it.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917825</link>
		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another try at the Washington Post link&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another try at the Washington Post link</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..inionsbox1</a></p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely, Siun. I told**** last time that I didn’t wish to talk with him again. I’m sorry that I answered him this time.&lt;br /&gt;
Have a long and happy life,Dub.&lt;br /&gt;
***MODNOTE:  Edited to remove derogatory term.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, Siun. I told**** last time that I didn’t wish to talk with him again. I’m sorry that I answered him this time.<br />
Have a long and happy life,Dub.<br />
***MODNOTE:  Edited to remove derogatory term.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Washington Post has an opinion column up touting that poll that has been circulating the internet that says Ahmadinejad would win. The piece is by the people and organizations described below, anyone know who they are? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ken Ballen is president of Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion, a nonprofit institute that researches attitudes toward extremism. Patrick Doherty is deputy director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation. The groups’ May 11-20 polling consisted of 1,001 interviews across Iran and had a 3.1 percentage point margin of error.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;links below&lt;br /&gt;
I have to wonder if there is a disinformation campaign going on. This poll has be touted by a lot of blog commenters who are flacking for Ahmadinejad and full of inane propaganda points (”Did you know Rasfanjani is a corrupt billionaire he pulls Moussavi’s strings” Yes thank you very much, I have read several times that Rasfanjani is a billionaire, and that he was opposing the big A. And I am under no illusian that any of the candidates are gems)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/&lt;/a&gt;…..inionsbox1&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT%20Iran%20Survey%20Report%200609.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.terrorfreetomorrow&amp;.....200609.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now as to this poll. It is weird. Note that the top line results on the support for the presidential candidates adds up to 78%. Where are the other 22%? If you dig down inot the end of the poll, you will find that they did not get information on this quesition from 50% of the respondents (no preference stated: 7.6%, refused: 15% don’t know: 27%) That is actually an inconclusive poll. Seriously, it would be hard to take a survey that level of nonresponse seriously in any kind of serious analysis. I guess the authors need headlines. Apparently half the poll was conducted during the first two weeks of the Moussavi’s campaign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I called BS on a silly Tehran Bureau analysis that claimed was proof the election was rigged, and Nate Silver had a silly debunking. So, I call BS on this too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess the pollster business is a kind of racket. I expect better from people who pretend to be statisticians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The issue for me is not that one person or another won, since we cannot know that. What we do know is that Iran has taken a very serious step backwards from a being a legitimate government, regardless of who “really” won, and that is a dangerous situation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washington Post has an opinion column up touting that poll that has been circulating the internet that says Ahmadinejad would win. The piece is by the people and organizations described below, anyone know who they are? </p>
<p>Ken Ballen is president of Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion, a nonprofit institute that researches attitudes toward extremism. Patrick Doherty is deputy director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation. The groups’ May 11-20 polling consisted of 1,001 interviews across Iran and had a 3.1 percentage point margin of error.</p>
<p>links below<br />
I have to wonder if there is a disinformation campaign going on. This poll has be touted by a lot of blog commenters who are flacking for Ahmadinejad and full of inane propaganda points (”Did you know Rasfanjani is a corrupt billionaire he pulls Moussavi’s strings” Yes thank you very much, I have read several times that Rasfanjani is a billionaire, and that he was opposing the big A. And I am under no illusian that any of the candidates are gems)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/</a>…..inionsbox1</p>
<p><a href="http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT%20Iran%20Survey%20Report%200609.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.terrorfreetomorrow&#038;&#8230;..200609.pdf</a></p>
<p>Now as to this poll. It is weird. Note that the top line results on the support for the presidential candidates adds up to 78%. Where are the other 22%? If you dig down inot the end of the poll, you will find that they did not get information on this quesition from 50% of the respondents (no preference stated: 7.6%, refused: 15% don’t know: 27%) That is actually an inconclusive poll. Seriously, it would be hard to take a survey that level of nonresponse seriously in any kind of serious analysis. I guess the authors need headlines. Apparently half the poll was conducted during the first two weeks of the Moussavi’s campaign.</p>
<p>I called BS on a silly Tehran Bureau analysis that claimed was proof the election was rigged, and Nate Silver had a silly debunking. So, I call BS on this too.</p>
<p>I guess the pollster business is a kind of racket. I expect better from people who pretend to be statisticians.</p>
<p>The issue for me is not that one person or another won, since we cannot know that. What we do know is that Iran has taken a very serious step backwards from a being a legitimate government, regardless of who “really” won, and that is a dangerous situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dubhaltach</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917814</link>
		<dc:creator>Dubhaltach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh Let him be Siun if he wants to roll in the gutter spouting deliberate falsehoods let him. I’ve faced far worse in my time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Let him be Siun if he wants to roll in the gutter spouting deliberate falsehoods let him. I’ve faced far worse in my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917809</link>
		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Macquerman, it is time to stop. We do not allow name calling, etc as you well know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disagreeing with Du or anyone else is one thing, but you’ve crossed the line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macquerman, it is time to stop. We do not allow name calling, etc as you well know.</p>
<p>Disagreeing with Du or anyone else is one thing, but you’ve crossed the line.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917806</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Almost as funny as listening to you say how much you admire the Afghani law approving marital rape. Or reading how markiemark “understands” how someone might have to throw acid in the face of a girl who wants to go to school.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost as funny as listening to you say how much you admire the Afghani law approving marital rape. Or reading how markiemark “understands” how someone might have to throw acid in the face of a girl who wants to go to school.</p>
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		<title>By: Dubhaltach</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917799</link>
		<dc:creator>Dubhaltach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That the best you can do? How disappointing. By all means please continue to make a spectacle of yourself. It’s quite funny in a pathetic sort of way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That the best you can do? How disappointing. By all means please continue to make a spectacle of yourself. It’s quite funny in a pathetic sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/valuing-democracy-iran-iraq-and-the-war-supplemental/#comment-1917787</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But the boy says not to meddle. If it’s popular, it’s all good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the boy says not to meddle. If it’s popular, it’s all good.</p>
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