Uh . . . I think characterizing Nazis as lefties is a bit off the mark . . .

How the hell did this idiotic meme that Nazis were leftists take any hold? Yes, Jonah Goldberg. But it’s ludicrous.

Ya think? So do I, but the “Liberal Fascism” crowd doesn’t.

Yes, and “Kinder, Küche, Kirche” is what we leftists care about, dontcha know.

Well, I’m all for cake, myself! ;-)

FunnyWheelieDiva

The term ‘National Socialist’ was used by the Nazis to describe themselves, but they were not Socialists as we understand that philosophy today.

With these guys when ya tell them “…turn left and go 3 blocks” to get to Mickey D’s it’s the beginning of a whole new road trip.

Von Brunn’s a neo-Nazi. Nazis were leftists. Therefore, von Brunn is a leftist

riiiiight. So, do all the bad-ass neo-Nazis in America _know_ that they’re being called “lefties” by their RW-media BFFs? Seems to me they wouldn’t like that one bit. Maybe someone should point it out to them?

Idiot America at work, I guess.

FunnyWheelieDiva

democracy now! this morning had an excellent interview with leonard zeskind:

Longtime white supremacist James W. von Brunn opened fire at Washington, DC’s Holocaust Memorial Museum on Wednesday, killing a security guard and injuring another. It was the third recent shooting involving a gunman with ties to the white nationalist movement, following last month’s slaying of abortion provider Dr. George Tiller and the shooting of three police officers in Philadelphia in April. We speak with one of the nation’s leading researchers on right-wing hate groups, Leonard Zeskind, author of Blood and Politics: The History of the White Nationalist Movement from the Margins to the Mainstream. Zeskind has been closely monitoring white nationalist and anti-Semitic groups for over thirty years.

umm…nazis weren’t leftists. among their victims were socialists and communists.
they were fascists, a right-wing school of “thought” (i use the term loosely).
please amend your post.

Listened to that at lunch. Never a dull moment. I posted a link to the DHS report earlier. Have to read it later myself.

or at least indicate that the leftists remark is snark.

(and brendanscalling @ 10).

Yes, dear. You know it, I know it, we know it and most intellectually honest students of history know it.

Facts? we don’ need no steeenkin’ facts? Don’ you know facts have a Librul Bias? Facts are LIBRUL!!

BT is summarizing argument, boiling it down to its most basic, sticky, stupid essence (so that I don’t have to watch the M$M drivel myself. Thanks, BT!). This is done to show how ILLOGICAL and FACT-FREE it is. Not to engage it as in any way reasonable.

And in this case, not engaging (the argument) is a good thing.

FunnyWheelieDiva

Wingnuts have no empathy. They cannot conceive of social services as the result of a desire to help people. Thus, the cynical mass bribery that was the Nazi social services platform is identical in nature to the cynical mass bribery you and I and the ’Democrat Socialist Party’ are trying to enact. To wingnuts, there is no other explanation.
Please note: Nazis->actual mass bribery; US liberals->actual desire to help

Is it true that Herr Von Brunn used the nom de plume “Colorado” as a habitual commenter at Sean Hannity’s blog?

Anybody got confirmation? It would be good if Hannity would be tagged with this asshole. Hannity certainly encourages this shite.

BT is using convoluted right wing rationalizations to label the shooter a leftist.

uhm, what do you think the “Heh, suck it, Kossacks” is all about?

Duh.

Where did you see that?

IIRC, I saw it in the comments around here yesterday posted by one of the regulars here.

He said President Obama was “created by Jews.”

But I thought Obama was a secret Muslim?

Does this guy hang out at rightwing blogs? What books does he read O’Reily, Rush, Mein Kampf?

Damn, I’d like to look a little deeper into that. We could have loads of fun with that.

Here’s a Democratic Underground link that doesn’t really elaborate much though:

http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;8462384

The Leader of the Rethugs, Rushbo, is foaming at the mouth today as he denounces lefty lib hate speech. For instance the killer, Van Brunn was motivated by Leftist Hate Speech such as from Obama’s former minister Reverend Wright. So Rush (I suspect KKKarl is helping him with the hot button racist talking points) is playing the Hate Card, the Race Card and the Leader of Conservatives Card. It is funnier than a Slutty Sarah Palin Stewardess Joke.

But Rush has always beena Real Leader of Hate and has always fought The Class War as well as any neo-conservative. He has always used his show to protect the wealthy warmongers and attack the collectivist do-gooders. Rush’s talent is going into an emotional place of resentment and fear and manipulation that appeals to some people. His ugliness is symbolic entertainment and I do not blame him for right wing violence. He merely makes it more acceptable to his unquestioning ditto-head followers. Blame every problem on them hippies who want to take away the peckerwood’s SUV’s.

But Rush has made himself candidate for Worst Person in the World-again. Today he reinvented history.

“Hitler was a leftist.”…”The Unabomber was a leftist and he had Al Gore’s book.”

Rush also said the the term “neo-conservative” was invented by liberals and Van Brunn hated neo–conservatives. Wiki does verify that the term was used first to identify liberals who supposedly convert to wingnuttery. But the term was “embraced” by the current generation of imperialists who want world domination by multi-natinal corporations.

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, is considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article “Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed ‘Neoconservative.’”… Kristol’s son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

I might add that I have heard through second hand sources that Limbaugh’s vile garbage is not shared by all members of his family, some find him quite embarassing.

I liked the slutty stewardess look joke. I can see Palin in that little pillbox hat and skirt that shows off the garter snaps. Right off of an old Harlequin romance novel cover.

firedog sadlyyes reported on the Hannity item yesterday – but can not find anything to verify – don’t know whether posts/comments have been removed by site admins. or FBI

I guess that von Brunner being a Ron Paul supporter doesn’t mean anything
http://adamholland.blogspot.co…..-paul.html

I’d want more evidence that he “supported” Ron Paul, other than a posting online. Though Paul does have pretty nutty views of the Fed.

Good angle Foothillsmike@ 26 I wonder who the else the shooter supported politically? What books, blogs he reads etc I’m thinking the Right Wing Media hate culture is part of the FBI profile of these shooters.
And I want the FBI to admit that on TV.

i try to not miss democracy now! — it’s still the best news program/source i’ve been able to find and it just keeps getting better. imo this morning’s program was especially fine.

OT How do you like this piece of objctivity from CNN Money:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/1…..ostpopular

The crucial question about Obama’s agenda has always been whether it really will slow the disastrous rise in health-care spending, or actually increase it while hiding the real costs of the new system. On analyzing the bills, the conclusion is inescapable: Obama promises Americans what appears to be a bargain by heavily subsidizing their premiums. But the only way to pay for what’s really outrageously expensive coverage will be huge tax increases, especially on the same middle class that’s being wooed as the chief beneficiary of reform.

The plans contain four proposals that will substantially weaken the ability of the market, already limited by burdensome regulation, to restrain medical spending.

Yeah, the problem with healthcare, just like with the financial industry, was over-regulation. The drumbeat of stupidity never ends.

4. He believes Obama wasn’t born in the United States.

in case anyone missed it last night, the Porcine Klown ‘riffed’ on that yesterday

I take it that Godwin’s Law in the strictest sense has not yet come into play.

and here i thought it had been repealed? i’m so out of it. *g*

Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot. QED.

The “National Socialists” were a party of upheaval, except for subbing ordinary street thugs for the proletariat. The nazis believed in a classic reversal of pigs up/people down, which is a sort of revolution. In fact, I seem to remember reading that the twisted little corporal’s quarrel with his boyfriend Röhm which led to the first party purge was over the question of just when the wheel of state should stop. Hitler had use for professionals in the Wermacht, and Röhm saw their dull idiots like Goering as reigning unchallanged.

Anti-Semitism can be seen in that regard as incompetent common dregs resenting superiors in abilitiy and intelligence, very like the drooling cracker cretins down south hating anyone not dumb as Dohbya. History makes sense when you’ve seen a bit of it on your own.

We hardly need to call Von Brunn a Nazi.

saw Professor False Equivalencies Levin on the teevee again this morning, anyone seen Neiwert yet ?

yeah, I thought so

Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot. QED.

I wish some United States Senator would say that. Or better yet some comedian would write a book with that title.

We’re halfway there, and your wish may soon be entirely fulfilled. ;-)

Hopefully I’ll get a chance to break this down a little more cogently in a diary, but my daughter shared this essay by James Baldwin with me last week. It was written in the fifties and still rings true. It’s a fairly long one and this is merely a snippet. From a Stranger in the Village:

This was, literally, a hard necessity. It was impossible, for one thing, for Americans to abandon their beliefs, not only because these beliefs alone seemed able to justify the sacrifices they had endured and the blood that they had spilled, but also because these beliefs afforded them their only bulwark against a moral chaos as absolute as the physical chaos of the continent it was their destiny to conquer. But in the situation in which Americans found themselves, these beliefs threatened an idea which, whether or not one likes to think so, is the very warp and woof of the heritage of the West, the idea of white supremacy.

Americans have made themselves notorious by the shrillness and the brutality with which they have insisted on this idea, but they did not invent it; and it has escaped the, world’s notice that those very excesses of which Americans have been guilty imply a’ certain, unprecedented uneasiness over the idea’ s life and power, if not, indeed, the idea’ s validity .The idea of white supremacy rests simply on the fact that white men are the creators of civilization (the present civilization, which is the only one that matters; all previous civilizations are simply contributions” to our own) and are therefore civilization’s guardians and defenders. Thus it was impossible for Americans to accept the .b.l.a.c.k. .m.a.n as one of themselves, for to do so was to jeopardize their status as white men. But not so to accept him was to deny his human reality, his human weight and complexity, and the strain of denying the overwhelmingly undeniable forced Americans into rationalizations so fantastic that they approached the pathological.

ack, mods, clean up on aisle 40. please delete, thanks.

I don’t quote this as evidence of supremacy…

Never would have considered it. Good essay, by the way.

phew, and thanks!

I put that on there in defense of faux news trolls. :

Oh, them. The coast seems clear for the moment.

But not so to accept him was to deny his human reality, his human weight and complexity, and the strain of denying the overwhelmingly undeniable forced Americans into rationalizations so fantastic that they approached the pathological.

I’d say that at least on occasion, we’ve gone past mearly approaching the pathological.

Yeah, I personally think that cross-burning actually achieves the pathological.

I think selise would agree, I was alluding to the reductio ad Hitlerum form of argument very nearly invoked by the mutant wingnut deviants.

I wonder if they also have proof the killer of dr tiller isn’t a right wing nut job as well

lilybelle

How the hell did this idiotic meme that Nazis were leftists take any hold? Yes, Jonah Goldberg. But it’s ludicrous.

……

This is dangerous but we are going to look into the Conservatives Mind.
The Nazi Socialist Party. Democrats are Socialist. Get it. It all adds up.

Throw in a little Fuk News screaming Democrats are Socialist while showing Nazi images followed by there talking heads comparing Obama to Hitler and of course the Conservatives get easily confused.

Seriously. I saw a post yesterday on the Daily Beast and the guy actually believed it. He also compared Dems to the Chinese Socialist Party. Anything with the name Socialist in it is good enough for them because Fuk news told them so and they are to ignorant to realize the differences.

The comments that followed mocking his stupidity were hilarious.

I think the liberals of this country and anybody else that is disgusted and scared by the right wings hate talk need to think about how they can personally do something about it.
I am talking about non violent means, of boycotting advertisers on these shows to writing to the networks and your local newspapers.

The right wing hate machine has to stop. They are better organized, shriller, have money and a total network dedicated to hate.

People like O’Reilly Malkin Beck Limbaugh and Coulter and all the others need to be made to realize that words have consequences and they have gone far beyond what should be tolerated in a moral society.

Oh? I thought they claimed him and make the case for justifiable homicide. I wonder how long the trail has to be before they acknowledge that DHS wasn’t off the mark. Pretty long, I ‘magine.

This is dangerous but we are going to look into the Conservatives Mind.

Ack! Well, at least it’ll be a short tour.

oh argh. That would be my 3rd or 4th boycott of the same list over the past 10 yrs or so. Problem is even my lefty friends listen to that shit for entertainment (they have way more mental fortitude than I…my brain explodes after about 5 mins). So it’s really hard to convince sponsors if the audience is still there.

I agree and have been wondering what it would take, including, as was addressed here a few weeks ago, the tone of our own dialogue. Someone like Michael Savage, I do believe, must be nuts/psychopath. Then you run into his right to free speech. When people speak as he does, along with Rush and Ingraham whose metier is name mockery, insult, ridicule…where does one start to change the tone.

The information in this article about von Brunn is worth reading.

Is Fox’s coverage of these recent shootings racially motivated?

Many would probably think that this is race baiting, but I think this blogger is on to something.

Look at this post, and make your own decision.

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1714

Although it will never happen, Fox needs to be exposed for their bias coverage of most issues.

The NRA can frustrate any attempts to keep guns out of the hands of these nuts secure in the knowledge that no left-winger is going to come into their headquarters and shoot up the place.

Did anyone else notice that the Holocaust museum was only described as “a popular tourist site” in the CNN article?
That made me sick.

Even today the Right wingers don’t know what socialism is. Idiots.

It’s hard to get more fascist in America than the tight tight link between the corporate Murdoch t.v. network and the Repub political ideology preached thereon every day. Isn’t that the basis of fascism(?), corporate politics?

You know the communists all over the world named their post-revolution nations “republics”, see East Germany or North Korea for prime examples.

So if Nazis are Socialists, Communists are Republicans. Either way the pantload is doughy.

Maybe people consider Nazis leftist because if it talks like a socialist, acts like a socialist, and calls itself socialist, it’s a socialist. AKA Left-Wing.