Below are some comments on today’s plea from the Washington Post Editorial Board for more money for the International Monetary fund.
Funding the Fund
Congress should support promised aid to the IMF.
Thursday, June 11, 2009
NOT LONG AGO, the International Monetary Fund looked very much like an institution without a mission. Then came the global financial crisis, and a series of countries around the world found themselves flirting with national bankruptcy. The potential ripple effect for the world economy was grave, and the IMF’s available resources looked too small to meet the challenge. At a meeting of the Group of Eight countries on April 2, President Obama joined other leaders in pledging to triple IMF funds to $750 billion, including $100 billion in new U.S. money.
To speed the fulfillment of his promise, Mr. Obama attached his request for IMF money, which is not a cash outlay but a line of credit, to a supplemental appropriations bill for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Actually, as any Member of Congress or staff can tell you, the Administration attached the IMF money to the war supplemental because the chances of getting the House to vote for it on a straight up-or-down vote were slim to none. By attaching the IMF money, which has nothing to do with war spending, to this bill, the Administration was putting Members of Congress who want to vote against the IMF money in a position where they could be accused of “voting against money for the troops.”
It should be noted that there is no urgency for this money; the IMF has hundreds of billions of dollars available for any emergencies that might arise during the time it would take to approve this funding through a normal legislative process.
The Senate has approved it, but the House is balking. At a time when many Americans are losing their jobs, the IMF is vulnerable to populist attack.
The funding is particularly vulnerable to “populist attack” because it is very likely that the money will be used to bail out European banks, something that was already done under the TARP program through AIG, and is not generally considered by the citizenry to be a good use of U.S. tax dollars.
Republicans have denounced the president’s proposal as a "global bailout" and spread the canard that the IMF helps regimes that support terrorism. Yet the aid is also opposed by 41 liberal Democrats, who want the United States to oppose IMF loans that force countries to cut spending or raise interest rates.
These are old arguments;
This is like saying, “Malaria kills a million people each year” is an old argument. The arguments against the IMF requiring countries to cut spending or raise interest rates, during an economic downturn, are old because the Fund has been doing this for a long time. But the arguments are still valid from the viewpoint of standard economic analysis: in general, government should not adopt policies that shrink the economy during an economic downturn. And the Fund is still requiring many countries to do this; in fact, almost all of the IMF’s Standby Arrangements of the last year contain such contractionary conditions.
the fact that support for the IMF helps purchase a public good — global financial stability
It would be difficult to find economists outside the IMF who would argue that the Fund promoted “global financial stability” during the last major international financial crisis that began in East Asia 11 years ago. This did not appear to be the case in Indonesia, Thailand, South Korea, the Philippines, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, and other countries hard-hit by the crisis in the late 1990’s.
– gets less frequent mention. As the administration has argued, IMF support does not add to the projected budget deficit
Actually, the administration argued this but did not convince the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, which scored the IMF money as a net cost of $5 billion to the U.S. government. And even this was a gross underestimate, apparently arrived at through a process of political bargaining.
because it is more like a revolving loan than an expenditure. President Obama has correctly observed that "other countries are looking to the United States to deliver on our commitment"; Congress should not undermine him.
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Mark Weisbrot is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, D.C. (www.cepr.net).



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That’s right – throw Barack Obama under the bus! He promises IMF funding – then he can’t deliver? You want to saddle this remarkable president with the label of not supporting troops in harm’s way as well??? The political naivete here is mind-boggling. Thank God for Rahm Emanuel!
Once again fringe extremists on the left choose to betray Barack Obama, millions of liberal Democrats and “true” progressives by railing against IMF.Do you feel proud that you side with the most extreme right-wing reactionaries in Congres in opposing loans to poor countries? Just because conditions of the loans call for cutting spending and raising interest rates and encouraging fiscal responsibility? Perish the thought of that!
Please read “the entire” well reasoned editorial in the WP this morning. Not this biased assessment above.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..03410.html
“At a time when many Americans are losing their jobs, the IMF is vulnerable to populist attack. Republicans have denounced the president’s proposal as a global bailout and spread the canard that the IMF helps regimes that support terrorism. Yet the aid is also opposed by 41 liberal Democrats, who want the United States to oppose IMF loans that force countries to cut spending or raise interest rates”.
Wow! I never thought my bleeding liberal heart would live to see the day when fellow Democrats and liberals sided with populist facists like Lou Dobbs!!! Shame on you.
There are times when you just can’t afford to do something. I believe we have reached that point. It’s not a matter of can we afford this but can we afford not to do some very important things at home. The American people have stated quite plainly that they want the wars over and the troops back home. I like Obama and voted for him. I want him to succeed but he cannot ignore the wishes of the people.
In regards to right wingnuts opposing the same bill as progressives (albeit for VERY different reasons)…
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Unlike Republicans, we Democrats are capable of independent thinking and don’t just march in lock-step behind our leader. I supported Obama in the election and I may very well support him in 2012, but that doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with a lot of specific policies.
The “change” that I believe in doesn’t just happen by itself, it happens because we put pressure on our elective representatives and hold their feet to the fire.
Friedmanomics is alive and well in the Village. The monetary policy of the govt is to protect the holders of wealth, foreign and domestic. Everybody else is on their own.
No war but class war.
Odd bedfellows indeed. Dobbs opposes it simply because it agitates the right wingers he panders to. I don’t know about other progressives, but I am lukewarm (downright tepid actually)about the IMF because it is often a venue for the practice of disaster capitalism. As far as I’m concerned it is a simply matter of agreement for vastly differnt reasons.
My initial impulse is just to say, why not, our own reps in Congress do it all the time! On second thought, think I’ll stick with that, with the proviso that I agree with you, we still must respond when they do it. Without a show of displeasure, how will they know we object? Without consequences, how do we keep control of our government? Gee, haven’t we talked about consequences before? I seem to remember…Oh, yeah. Wasn’t it about torture and the consequences to those who ordered it from on high because they thought they were above the law or that they had the power to change it by deliberate misinterpretation?
I supported Obama too, but he’s become the flip-flopper in chief, and I’m not sure I’m going to support him after his recent shenanigans.
Sorry, my last comment was meant in response to Twain at #2.
Thanks for that. But you cannot look at Iraq and Afghanistan the same. They are not. The American people do not want troops out of Afghanistan. With all due respect you are wrong.
CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll in April indicates that a majority of Americans, 53 percent, favor the war in Afghanistan, with 46 percent opposed. And more than two-thirds of those questioned back the president’s plan to send roughly 20,000 more U.S. troops to the war-torn country, with 31 percent opposed to sending more American forces to stabilize the situation in Afghanistan. Two out of three say they have a clear idea of what the United States is fighting for in Afghanistan.
If we can defeat this bill I believe the Congress and the WH will sit up and take notice that the people do have some power. They just might work out a better way to handle things in the future. Like saying “hey, we have a progressive wing of the party out there and they mean business.”
Obama was not my ‘candidate’ in the primary, but in the general, I voted for Obama, and thusly, I am politically ‘invested’. That said and now noted, Team Obama wanted IMF funding merged with the Supplemental Funding and done intentionally. Had Obama sufficient confidence in the Democrats, he would’ve created a stand-alone legislation for IMF funding, but, obviously, he has no confidence in himself or his fellow Democrats in the House or the Senate.
To wit, his biggest ‘allies’ have been marginalized and done on purpose, and now requires his chief of chief to do some serious arm twisting in this ’scramble contest’ for having tossed success away. Thus, ‘courting failure’ is becoming pandemic in the White House. And obviously, Obama’s political skill set is not being utilized and that comes from listening to the wrongheaded.
Jaango
This comment respectfully — is why this progressive assault on Obama is so dangerous. Be careful what you wish for or start considering what a Gingrich or Romney Presidency would look like. There is nothing wrong with maintaining Democratic power through pragmatism. You cannot have everything you want, the world of politics does not work that way. This is a moderate country.
I also look at Afghanistan and Iraq differently. The Afghanistan connection to Pakistan is really scary to me – nukes and all that. Needs to be handled in a special way and that’s NOT killing civilians. It’s a truly tragic situation. We need to get out of Iraq and then see if we can actually help the people in Afghanistan.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 8:11a
not if the hands are missing
Look at what Obama has to deal with from left to right. Far-left Liberals,(Dennis Kucinich’s) Moderate liberals (Barney Frank’s), Blue-Dogs (Jane Harmons) and right-leaning Dems (many).
That’s why Rahm is so critical. Standing on principle 100% of the time in a Republic/Representative Democracy will get you booted from power in a New York second. Pragmatism and compromise keeps you in power.
Funny you should mention Gingrich. I watched a program the other day wherein Gingrich said how much better off the country would be if the President were John McCain and Sara Palin was VP! I couldn’t help but think of the many times I thought about how disastrous that would have been!
Obama is playing the long game and I hope it works. However, he would not be prez if the progressives had not voted for him and he continues to ignore us. Some of his appointments are like a slap in the face to us. Haven’t seen it mentioned here but the other day he appointed a woman to HHS who is not only anti-choice but is anti birth control. I was so angry and disgusted.
Exactly. It is difficult to look at the IMF as a force for good in the world in light of Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine. I’m as opposed to bailing out foreign banks as I am to bailing out AIG, Goldman Sachs, Citi, etc. Too big to fail is too big to exist, but I don’t see anything anywhere about breaking up these mega-institutions, limiting how big future institutions can get, and reinstituting regulations like Glass-Steagal. Perhaps when we get around to fixing the root of the problems we now face, I might be more inclined to support some degree of a bailout, but not until then.
I agree Pakistan is a scary place; as is Afghnistan and North Korea and Iran. Barack Obama is saddled with “trying” to clean up the horrific slime left over by the Bush-Cheney cabal.
The killing of civilians is terrible. I would ask you though – you decide – what do you do when intelligence pinpoints the location of Al Qaeda leaders and Taliban murderers. What do we do? Let them go about their business?
There is no easy answer. The troops in Afghnaistan are not a long term solution – Obama has said this. But, he rejects the notion that leaving Afghanistan to sure anarchy and Taliban domination would be the worst thing possible. I agree. There are bad guys in the world.
Nukes and heroin, and throw in the Taliban and Al Qaeda! What a potent mix! I also see Iraq and Afghanistan differently. We had no real provocation to invade Iraq; the situation with Afghanistan was provoked.
Obama would also not be Preident if moderates and conservative Democrats had not voted for him. You see, thats the problem. Every constituency can not see an Obama presidency as a quid-pro-quo – as in he owes us. Political pragmatism will get Democrats far more in the long run. Not everything – you cannot get everything. That is what the extreme left does not understand.
You are right on the money.
IMF is more about perception and Obama keeping his word to the international community. Do you really think small country populations will understand the nuances here? No way. They will only see headlines.
“USA/Obama breaks promise to help poor countries”.
The perception is that the IMF is controlled by the US and they have seen the ”good” brought by the IMF. Think Argentina.
Do people have any idea the damage the IMF has done in the developing world?
(for example: http://www.romanticchildstudios.com/n…..index.html )
The idea that support for this organization can be considered moderately liberal goes a long way in explaining why to the rest of the western world the U.S. is considered so right wing.
At some point we have to admit that we just don’t have the money. China practically owns us. We have 46M people with no health coverage (3 of them are my grown children) and trying to make ends meet. I have 3 daughters who are single mothers struggling. Two of the daughters work 2 jobs. We have millions unemployed and need to take care of our own people first.
Thanks, Mark. Excellent post. Operations, indeed. Who wrote that Post piece, the Pentagon press office? IMF, dirty MF, takes away everything it can get — Bruce Cockburn.
This documentary on Argentina ignores the fact that Argentina’s economic woes were caused by decades of building instability that was caused by Argentina “choosing” to peg the peso to the dollar on a one to one basis.The IMF has done immeasurable good.
In response to redfish @15
President Obama is attempting to walk the straight and narrow down the “yellow line” located between the Conservatives on the Right and the Conservative-Moderates found among the Democrats. And if you look at what he is currently engaged in, this view is exceedingly easy to recognize. As to the center-left, Twain is correct in his assessment. And these are the ‘allies’ that Obama continues to see fit to marginalize, and much to his eventual political demise.
And if you don’t believe me, look as the history of the Spanish-speaking vote. The best that Bush could do was an approximate 63 percent, and yet, Obama receive upwards of 85%. And Obama’s Legacy come to fruition on Universal Health Care. If the public option is consecrated into law, Obama is virtually history among my fellow Spanish-speaking citizens. To wit, Single Payer or the expansion of the VA systemic is what the Spanish-speaking voters want achieved. As such, 93% of African Americans and 90% of the Native Americans voted for Obama. All this ‘racial and ethnic’ vote will move away from Obama. I am already ‘hearing’ these voices.
Take, for example, on talk radio here in Phoenix, Arizona, the largest audience is Spanish-speaking and delivered via the United Farm Worker Radio Network. And it’s hosted by a military vet and former Senate Majority Speaker in the Arizona Legislature. As such, Obama’s opposition “is coming”.
Jaango
Sorry, Redfish, we are not the “extreme” left. It seems to me most of the people who post here ARE pragmatic progressives.
That’s part of the problem. The “extreme” right has a voice on numerous radio and television stations and in government. The Republicans have virtually purged their party of any moderates.
There is no counterweight on the left.
There’s no Marx News station or countless Communist radio shows (although the right-wing extremists would tell you than anything to the left of Mussolini is just Pinko Commie propaganda).
The extreme left would argue that the U.S. government should nationalize all private industry — I just don’t hear that on any of the “progressive” blogs I visit.
Great. Do you Spanish speaking friends a favor then and educate them as to how stupid and politically naive such a disowning of Obama would be. Do they think a Gingrich/Palin/Romney health care program would be more to their liking?
There will be NO single payer. There will be a public option. Embrace Obama on this and support him.
By the way I think you are wrong when you say . . “If the public option is consecrated into law, Obama is virtually history among my fellow Spanish-speaking citizens”. There is no evidence for that.
I understand. There is no collective “we” here. Look, I am just saying that being a political pragmatist and getting 50% of what you want is better than losing power to a Gingrich/Palin consortium and getting nothing.
To say there is no counterweight on the left is not accurate. Despite what some here might say, there is no question that MSNBC and The New York Times are loud liberal voices for the most part. There is LINK TV, the BBC, PBS, Dan Rather Reports and many, many blogs.
please don’t confuse neoliberalism with liberalism
Actually a lot of money could still go to European banks through AIG. As of the beginning of this year, AIGFP had a CDS book of $305 billion (its derivative book was much larger but supposedly hedged). In any case, $234 billion of it was in what are known as regulatory relief CDSs taken out by European banks. These allowed the banks to raid their reserves for speculation and draw them down below what European bank regulations required with AIG guaranteeing to make up any shortfalls if the banks lost money. Well, they have, but I have seen nothing anywhere about what kind of payouts AIG might have to make.
I bring this up because the IMF funds may be a way for the government to slip the European banks the money without having to go through AIG and so spare the Obama Administration the embarrassment and political fight over bailing out this insurance company/financial blackhole again.
Point well taken. There is no clear understanding on liberals part though how to integrate effective global economic policy into their belief system. Effective and . . supportable.
I think you just (very astutely) put your finger on the genius that is Obama/Emanuel/Axelrod.
Hysterically funny. Don’t you trolls ever change your talking points? The media hasn’t been liberal for 30 years yet you continue to trot out this old and manifestly false assertion. Do you ever think? Do you ever read? The NYT is a neocon rag that along with the rest of the media obsessed about Bill Clinton’s penis but never took a serious look at Bush with the most criminal, corrupt, and incompetent Administration in our history.
Pragmatism and compromise keeps you in power.
Triangulation leaves no one satisfied.
Redfish,
When you’re a member of a political coalition, self-responsibility also consists of listening and hearing to your political allies. Therefore, permit me to edumacute you a tad more. Take a look at Congressman Grijalva from Tucson, and you will see that he is a recent addition to the House, and yet his political trajectory is starting to pick up steam. He is on a ‘roll’ if I may add. To wit, he neither asked for nor sought out the position on any short list for the Department of the Interior. It’s a dead end position, at best. And if you don’t believe me, ask Arizona’s former Arizona Governor, Bruce Babbitt. And more to the point, when Speaker Pelosi decides to retire from her prestigious position, Grijalva will be one of two priority contenders. As such, “its coming” and Hispanics will become a greater force in the Democratic Party and on the issues of import.
The growth and sophistication for politics in the Spanish-speaking community is increasing by leaps and bounds. Historically, America exported into Latin AMerica, the notional for ‘wining at any cost’ and almost half of Hispanics are from these extended families, formally known as immigrants, and they too know how to play ‘hard ball’ that is consistant with coalition building. And being a ‘team player’ is the challenge facing Obama since he is determined to think that he can find the requisite votes among the Democratic-conservative to moderates, in the House. And that way leads to a fractured political coaliton. Moreover, Hispanics, African Americans and Native Americans, are inherently Progressive.
Jaango
Here we go again. When progressive liberal democrats don’t agree with you on every issue you label them trolls or worse. That’s a shame that you are so intolerant of others. I didn’t say that the NYT or any other media with a liberal bent was 100% right every time. That is not the real worl. But for you to deny that the Times and MSNBC do not have a liberal bent is, with all due rspect, preposterous.
Well I appreciate your attempt to educate me. However I suggest you take a look at the polls and see what Obama’s support is amongst Latinos. And when he takes on immigration reform next year, his support among Latinos will go up even more. And a public health care option will not be seen adversely by Latinos.
And as to your comment athat Hispanics and African Americans are inherently progressive, sure, for the most part, yes. But I wouldn’t say that to gay and lesbians in California where the abomination that is Proposition 8 passed due in large part to the support of Hispanics and African Americans.
You fundamentally don’t understand even the basics about what you are talking about. There are no liberal bents in the media. Over the last 30 years, the media have undergone an enormous amount of consolidation and concentration. They have gone from community centered locally owned news organizations to subsidiaries of large national and international corporations. That is the current business model. Somehow conservatives never seem to grasp the contradiction between this very unliberal ownership of the media and their own charges of a liberal media bias. Corporations have no interest in promoting liberal causes which they often see as cutting against theirs. Yes, they may have the occasional Olbermann or Maddow in certain restricted settings to cater to a certain demographic but they would put Bozo the Clown in these same slots if they thought they could make a buck more doing it. But that the media are liberal? How do you take your kool aid? Drink it or IV?
Hugh I am not going to stoop to your level and engage in sophomoric hyperbole. You are clearly so far to the left that you have blinders on and you show your true colors by equating corporate owned media with an inability to have a liberal slant. Your true agenda in my opinion as demonstrated by your comment – is vilifying Capatilism and all corporations.
But that notwithstanding how about we deal in facts in this dialogue.
Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman,Seymour M. Hersh, Nicholas Kristof, Eleanor Clift, Helen Thomas, Bill Moyers, David Corn, Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Michael Kinsley, Bill Press, Julianne Malveaux, Ronald Brownstein, Ellen Goodman, Joe Conason, Robert Sheer, Arianna Huffington, Olbermann, Maddow.
Shall I go on?
. . . and there are countless right-wing journalists and commentators as well.
As I said, you don’t know what you are talking about as that hodgepodge of a list shows. Like most conservatives, you are impervious to either logic or facts that disagree with your position. How many people have ever heard of David Corn or watched Bill Moyers? You conflate media and non-media people. When was the last time Noam Chomsky anchored the nightly news? How many hours is he on CNBC each day? Some like Eleanor Clift aren’t liberals at all. Some like Huffington are in the liberal blogosphere which is a very different animal than the mainstream corporate media. But I can understand given how little you have to support your thesis that you would want to throw in any name you could think of. I’m just surprised you didn’t throw in other known liberals like Bugs Bunny and the Roadrunner.
I’m sorry to disappoint you Hugh – I am a progressive, Liberal Democrat that understands that pragmatism and compromise will get me the Liberal Supreme Court Justices that I want along with many other policy victories and a second Barack Obama term.
We do not believe in government controlled media in this country, We believe in freedom of the press and that means any given media living and dying bssed on viewership and profitability. Whose fault is it that the left doesn’t produce funny, engaging media personalities? Jon Stewart gets that. Colbert gets that. But why do 5 million people watch that scumbag O’Reilly? Because he is entertaining, articulate and understands how media works. When we have someone like that too – we will have 5 million viewers. Are you telling me Rachel Maddow does not have the opportunity to be that kind of force? It’s up to her to do that. The viewers have the choice who to watch.
You are so far to the left, you are such a fringe extremist that you have no clue as to what the real world is like. It is people like you that will only serve to insure a GOP return to power. No matter how well meaning, your extremism makes you far more dangerous than Rush Limbaugh. He only preches to the choir – you may actually pollute the minds and votes of well meaning pragmatic Liberals.
the nyt is no more neocon than it is liberal.
…. and as far as i can see the huffington post is part of the corporate media (as are olberman and maddow). being on the web doesn’t change that. the medium (print, radio, tv, internet, etc) doesn’t define the content although it can influence it. i’d look first at the source of revenue (who pays the bills) and ideology/goals of the ownership.
What a bunch of blather from a concern troll. You’re a progressive, and you just lament what people like me are doing to the progressive cause, blah, blah, blah.
selise, I would agree that the HuffPo is going for a media position but it still really isn’t in the same category as the rest of the traditional media.
Making money is not a bad thing – neither is corporate media a bad thing.
Why do I always feel that so many here just hate wealth and capitalism and corporations so much – that anything connected with any of those three automatically gets demonized? This is America. We are a capitalist country.
the traditional media is not the same thing as the corporate media. corporate media refers to funding source (who pays the bills).
Ask George Soros if you don’t believe me.
Making money is not a bad thing – neither is corporate media a bad thing
Yes, just look at what a great job the banks have doing making money, and corporate media with its infotainment and propaganda, well right wing concern trolls can’t get enough of that, except when they of course they start hallucinating and see liberal biases among all the pretty patterns and colors.
I would disagree. The overlap between the two is nearly complete.
there is some very fine reporting done within the corporate media and i don’t believe i’ve ever said otherwise.
that’s said i’m not much of a fan of the corporate media in general as the incentives are all wrong. as far as i can tell, most of it ends up promoting the goals of some faction of the establishment (but maybe i’m wrong about that?).
only if you define traditional media to be the same as corporate media, in which case the term has no meaning.
huffington post is imo a good example of the corporate non-traditional media.
I do not see any liberal bias. I just think that some media is liberal and some media is not. I know for a fact that reporters and columnists for the NYT write what they want with no management bias. The op-ed page is different.
What you don’t realize is that you are as dogmatic as Rush Limbaugh. The American people do not, never have, and never will accept fringe extremist positions on issues. I know you don’t like it but between Berkeley and Greenwich Village there are millions of people with moderate sensible beliefs. Verisimilitude doesn’t embrace only you my friend.
I would hope we don’ get hung up in this discussion on semantics and definition. We have a totally free press in this country – you can write and say what you want to. Whether enough people want to watch or listen to you — that is a different story.
this is a hoot because much of political activism has involved attempting to change what ideas are considered fringe and what ideas are considered mainstream.
see slavery. see women’s rights.
…..
p.s. i’m out of here. this conversation is just making my head hurt.