Mike Rogers [R-Sorry Excuse], in this interview with Chris Matthews, hastily likened Von Brunn to the "ecoterrorists" on the "left". Yeah, because hate crimes are JUST as harmful as "Save the Whales." How many people died in the last Greenpeace incident?
[Newsflash: I've been advised that Mike Rogers' district has the distinction of being home base for the Michigan arm of the Ku Klux Klan "gentleman's society". Just sayin'. Go get those votes, Mike!]
The Anchor Baby’s headline shouts in communist red font:
Updated: Museum guard dies; shooter wasn’t “left” or “right,” just plain loony
And then there’s Hot Air’s Ed Morrisey, whose attempt at nuance is so fucking pathetic that it’s almost laughable:
Yet again, we have a despicable attack based on hatred and political extremism, the third such attack in two weeks to result in fatalities. Doubtless many people will try to find ways to score political points, like the e-mailer who waited a whole 20 minutes to blame conservatives for dismissing the DHS report on right-wing extremism for this tragedy. To that, I’d respond that our criticism was that the DHS report didn’t focus on known, specific threats, instead making generalized threats about abortion opponents and other vague and broad generalizations about conservative issues. In fact, it never mentioned Holocaust denial at all, nor did it mention anti-semitism at all [see Update V below], either; those terms don’t appear at all in the report. And despite being well-known as a threat since the 1980s, the DHS never bothered to identify von Brunn or his organization as a specific threat in the report — which, again, was the heart of our criticism.
Whaaaa? The report didn’t single out von Brunn? THAT’S your defense? Anybody here remember a Presidential briefing dated August 6, 2001? Surely, nobody could have anticipated that a crazed, anti-Semitic, right-wing nutjob would try to blast his way into the Holocaust Museum…
By the way, "Update V" is Morrisey realizing that most of his argument was circling the drain along with the remains of his Cheetos and Mountain Dew lunch. Facts are so very, very troublesome, aren’t they, Ed? I do give you credit for admitting your amateurish research, though.
[Meanwhile, The Corner can't even be bothered to discuss the shooting because that would interfere with its fundraising efforts. Hey, slime is money!]
But honestly, the piece de resistance (is that too French, and therefore, socialist?) is the talking point that went out later in the afternoon, echoed by the likes of Glenn Beck and Pam Oshry: James Von Brunn is an anti-Semite just like . . . wait for it . . . Jeremiah Wright!
So this is all Obama’s fault. The circle is now complete.
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Shorter WT: the right wing in this country are a bunch of dumbfucks. Also.
Where do we find these clowns?
Oh, wait… born and (in)bred right here in the good ole US of A.
Just where do “KKK” and “Gentlemen’s Society” belong anywhere in the same sentence, let alone the same fucking universe?
Hi, WT
slight correction: unconscionable liars and dumbfucks.
I’m so busted.
…and what the other doctor said.
Own it MoFos! He is one of yours (as have been all the others) and your constant barrage of hate speech inspired and empowered them. It has been a very long fucking time since leftwing crazies actually killed anybody (though ELF is going to manage do it sooner or later if they keep doing what they have been).
Shorter WT: the right wing in this country are a bunch of homicidal terrorist dumbfucks. Also.
Fixed your omission.
I’ll take ”You Bet Your Ass” for $500, Alex.
Jason Jones on TDS is doing a fabulous hatchet job on the NYTimes.
Watch the wingnuts play “Hot Potato”!
It is rather amusing watching them trying to toss this one off as having nothing to do with them.
I’m prepared to concede that not every right-winger is a homicidal terrorist. I just don’t see them doing anything useful to prevent right-wing homicidal terrorists from committing homicidal terrorism.
Heh, heh… he said “toss off”
Until they actively condemn the use of violence and quit justifying it (as they have repeatedly done with the Tiller assassination) and abandon the hate speech which is characteristic of all rightwing talk these days, I refuse to give any of them a pass. They may not have committed any acts of violence themselves, but they are actively aiding and abetting those who did.
I think he planned that.
I concur. Both sides agree that “the only person responsible for the actual murder is [fill in the blank with name of crazed right-wing meshuggeh du jour].”
But only the right is arguing that silencing hate speech impinges on the First Amendment.
Double-yoo-tee!
Yeah, if stoopit ‘Murkins hadn’t elected an African-American President, none of this woulda happened. So, this means today’s violence is more good news for John McCain!
Palin/Gingrich 2012
Rudy Giuliani for SecSTATE!
Murdoch Media actively eggs on these people. They know what they’re doing. It’s their nature.
After 9/11 I heard a similar argument being made–”All Muslims must condemn terrorism, and if they don’t, they are aiding and abetting.” It didn’t work for me then, and I’m going to have to respectfully say it doesn’t work for me now.
The problem is that these people in Operation Rescue, etc. create a climate in which all these nuts can say they are doing it for god or a particular cause, or because it was the right thing to do. Then they all plead insanity.
Speaking of which, Rupert is a naturalized citizen,
which means he swore an oath to
Does running the US version of Radio Rwanda violate this, I wonder?
Most Muslims were not engaging in the kind of incendiary and hate speech which is routine on the right. I will concede that there may be individual conservatives who do not share in this orgy of hateful excess, but it emphatically does not include any of the public conservatives and it is really quite common among rank and file conservatives as well (try reading the letters in my local paper).
There are lots of misguided people who can’t be happy unless they’re enraged about something…
And they are not insane. They are mean, hateful, racist bigots who want an excuse to kill.
Yep.
Gives me the creeps to hear the U.S. Iraqi puppets kissing up like the one on Colbert Report. Click. Gone.
…and then they chicken out of making a “principled” defense of their oh-so-”principled” actions when the trial rolls around. Thereby proving themselves cowards on top of everything else.
Having known a few in my time, I beg to differ about the insanity of some of them, but you certainly got the rest right.
I always thought that someone would take a shot at Terri Shiavo’s (?) husband out of rage and was so thankful when he was able to retreat into the background.
Hey, WT!
Haven’t read it yet, but did you catch Jack Levin, the criminalist commentator in Keith’s first segment tonight? KO let him close with a little jaunt on his (levin’s) false-equivalence, straw-manned hobby horse: well, there are very BAD anti-semites on the LEFT now, too. They blame ALL jews EVERYWHERE for Israel’s misdeeds, blah, blah, blah.
The neighbors must have wondered which “f-ing son of a b*tch” I was screaming out.
I mean, excuuuuse the hell outta me!
“but, but, the LEFT does it, too!!!”
Yeah, wake me up when a Progressive grabs a gun and shoots up a Jewish community center. Criticism is not the same as incitement to violence, let alone violence. Jacka$$
FunnyWheelieDiva
Probably less than one percent of the right wingers are willing to do anything that might land their ass in jail. Unfortunately, even a fraction of one percent of such a large group of people amounts to a large number of dangerous individuals.
as a society we need to shut these hate mongers down. There needs to be penalties and consequences for the hate speech…. it isn’t freedom of speech as it is the same as yelling FIRE in a theater…….
Jeffery Feldman has been writing about this for at least a year….. violence against the left ….
Really? Can he point to some of these radical left-wing anti-Semites for me?
Right-Wing cockroaches don’t like the light. Watch them scurry away.
That was ridiculous !
There are some out there. I have encountered them in the comments at different blogs occasionally, but they are much rarer than rightwimg anti-semites.
I’m sure the right wing is keeping a close eye on The Wilderness Society and the Nature Conservancy – those crazy lefties. s/
It started before the gun had cooled. He’s a lone nut, not one of them, doncha know…
Oh, and I will say that some ecoterrorists do use violence. ELF and Earth-firsters. But they don’t go after people with guns. All I can remember near me off-hand is arson. One of a McMansion development that was under construction. Another, and worse, destroyed a building at the UW, along with a lot of valuable research by investigators unrelated to whatever it was these creeps thought they were protesting.
But to pretend there’s no difference between property crimes, however expensive, and murdering people is just stupid. You wanna play the equivalence game, let’s get specific about dates, targets and perps.
IIRC, Tim McVeigh’s remains the worst _domestic_ terror mass killing in the US.
Grrrrr!
FunnyWheelieDiva
Hmph. Must be rare–my first reaction to Levin’s remark is that he’s trying to blame us for his own straw man.
Don’t forget Green Peace! Those crazies are going to ram one of those whaling ships with their inflatables.
Like Bush, not a real conservative…
I thought it was the wingnuts with a penchant for ramming inflatables?
They are rare indeed, but I have seen them. The fact that they exist, however, in no way supports Levin’s bullshit.
My question, too. And how is he defining anti-semitic?
My guess is GlennZilla would take apart this accusation in about 3-sentences flat.
Guess I should email KO and GG. The first to register disgust and outrage, and to propose Dave Niewert as an alternative, and the second as “here’s another example of what you talk about”.
FunnyWheelieDiva
I just visited Stormfront, and look at the craptastic comments…
Different sort of inflatables. Green Peace uses inflatable boats (a serious threat to those massive whaling ships). Conservatives use inflatable dolls (a serious threat to their reputation if it ever gets out).
They are a whole bag lone nuts all together.
Plus there’s just no moral equivalence. There’s no violent, inciting rhetoric, just, imo, pretty juvenile personal attacks on other commenters.
Far more commenters get accused of being anti-Israel than actually are.
Hang around Glenzilla’s when he’s discussing A*PAC, for instance.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Next question: How many of these people have shot somebody because of their views?
The sort of groups Von Brunn hails from hate the GOP because they’re not conservative enough…
You are much braver than I. I have been there once or twice and will never return. The place is a psychotic cess pit.
Exactly!
And even crazier French Navy that attacked Greenpeace!
Not to mention the danger of chafing, or the fact that a pinprick can deflate your date.
A revelation to me. Unbelievable.
I may be mis-recalling, but Animal Planet has a series called “whale wars”, and I’m not positive these Zodiac Warriors are actually unarmed. I may have to catch a couple of episodes to better inform myself.
IOW, violence on either side isn’t acceptable. But neither is “but, but, the LEFT does it TOO!” when the number and degree of instances are in no way equivalent.
FunnyWheelieDiva
I think we’re allowed to spell AIPAC now. This is a test…
Nobody that I know of. As I said, their existence has no bearing on Levin’s argument. There really aren’t any violent leftwingers, except maybe ELF and EarthFirst! and they specialize in violence against property. Should say that one of them is bound to injure or kill someone eventually if they keep this up (that is what happened with the anti-war zealots in the 60s and 70s).
True, but it’s pretty much de rigeur for members of any one right-wing group to hate members of another for not being conservative enough. “True conservatism” seems to be some kind of Platonic form (and thank Dog for that, because I for one would rather not have it reproducing).
So far as I know, they are unarmed and constitute no serious threat to the whalers. They are not trying to cause injury or harm to property, just to divert the ships from their mission. I suppose, like Earth First! and ELF, things could eventually get out of hand (this tends to escalate), but so far it hasn’t.
The trouble with the left wing is their potential violence because they are anti-MIC, and therefore must be regarded as extremely antiamerican. Preemptive attacks required before the left’s full destructive potential is actualized. /s
Sorry, that was meant as a reply to Ratfood @52.
Quick drive by. Don’t want to discuss the shooting at this hour or I won’t sleep, but wanted to make sure you pups saw this: Facebook Holocaust Deniers Mock Museum Shooting(With Picture)
Time for me to head out. Take care all and beware the fearsome zodiacs!
Lovely. Such people make mere scumbags seem pretty cool by comparison.
Oops. Didn’t see that you’d already mentioned ELF.
FunnyWheelieDiva
I’m going to call it a night too. Sure there’ll be more threads coming out of this shooting and the right-wing refusal to cope with it.
Conservative pols and media types are mostly a bunch of impotent weenie wagglers, annoying but you can safely turn your back on them. Not the case with the militant folks on the Right’s lunatic fringe… HOWEVER that is exactly what our government chooses to do.
My beef is the hate speech…..the guy who shot up the UU Church was reading books that promoted hate…..
why do publishers allow these books to be released?
why do radio station managers allow the hate speech (michael savage anyone) or JD Hayworth (ex congressman)?
G’night DrD and EDP. Guess I’ll join the exodus. Sweet dreams to all.
The whole eco-terrorist riff is an RNC talking point. Minutes before I saw Rogers on Hardball, Fran Townsend was on CNN saying the same thing – apropos of absolutely nothing.
But destroying a rich ski company’s property that caters only to the rich is so much more terroristic than killing a middle class black man, dontcha know.
are those like frumious bandersnatch(es)?
Night, Dr. D.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Well this can’t be good. From the NYT, the AMA opposes a public option for healthcare.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06…..=1&hp
Apparently doctors have their heads so firmly up their assess because they think they are enemas. I hope sincerely that all phsycians that complain about all the time they have to spend on billing, deteriorating working conditions, less time with patients, and calls to insurance companies will now STFU!
Sorry for the misspellings in my 76 but this seriously pisses me off.
Seems like docs becoming civil service employees, roughly grade 2, might be an appropriate remedy for AMA members.
Ah OH….. pictures of Sheriff Joe and neo-nazie members…. that is the teaser….. will let you know the rest of the story….
Smells fishy. Like believing that women in favor of reproductive independence know that NARAL is as full of shit as a Christmas goose.
Doesn’t make sense.
Oh, crap. Horrible news! A bit like the APA officially supporting torture, no?
Went to my doc yesterday and we had a small discussion about this. She “[doesn’t] think the ins companies add anything to actual patient care.” Sounded like she’d be up for a public plan.
Very interesting and unexpected conversation. Came up because I’ve been unemployed a good chunk of the last 4 years, and she wondered about my insurance.
Hey, I even got to point out that universal coverage isn’t the same as universal CARE!
FunnyWheelieDiva
didn’t see many typos there, man!
Giving Americans more choice will restrict their choice … sounds about right !
Who are these guys ?
It is admittedly not many, but doctors I have spoken to freakin love Medicare.
WOW … Mayor of Phoenix asked Sheriff Joe to renounce neo-nazi and skin heads, they showed several pictures of old Joe with his buddies….
local news reported that there are 5 active wingnut groups in Utah, 1 in New Mexico and missed how many are in AZ…. I know there is the Minutemen group
Profit. And also they convince themselves that they have a right to their opinion, that the hosts aren’t actually pulling the trigger and, in some cases that they are brave guardians of “Free Speech”.
It is really misguided liberals who allow it to go on. Now, as I have demonstrated with my campaign in 2007, if you cost them enough money things change.
If advertisers know that their brand is tainted with ties to violent rhetoric and other hate speech they will walk. KSFO lost millions of dollars and Melanie Morgan lost her job.
what I did was not a boycott, but an advertiser education program that got the violent rhetoric into the ears of the people paying the bill. They were disgusted. That is the key to pushing this down. When violent rhetoric becomes less profitable then they will make changes. The obscenity and indecency fines pushed Howard Stern off the broadcast network. I would like to think that the inciting violence is more dangerous to our society than Howard’s sex jokes, but what do I know, I’m just let the team that cost ABC Radio Disney 28 advertisers and millions of dollars.
Good plan. The market, used effectively, can be much more important than government intervention.
Yeah, I saw that loon on Tweety’s show, saying the right-wing TERRORISTS are just like Greenpeace. I waited and waited for Tweety to call him on it …. SILENCE. Or, considering it’s Tweety, more yapping, but no response to this outrageous comment.
Tweety is just like my kids were when they were very young: they were too busy thinking of what they would say next to HEAR what was said to them.
A couple of weeks ago, someone called Tweety on it when he did this. (After the fact, of course.) I guess it was one of the GOPers who Tweety “respects” so he sort of apologized, and admitted “they” were telling him “in his ear” what to say next. The networks should hire someone who can actually think on his feet, while interviewing someone, rather than waiting for a handler to tell him what to say.
Tweety? Professional? You have to be kidding me!
The crazed right wing loonies are now saying this guy was a 9/11 conspirarist which makes him a ‘lefty’. Ummmmmm, there are lots of republicans in this country who didn’t believe the official story of 9/11 nor did they trust George Bush & Dick Cheney, hence, their voting for the Democrat, President Obama, in this last election!