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	<title>Comments on: GOP to Introduce Measure Repealing Medicare and Medicaid</title>
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		<title>By: bobh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915845</link>
		<dc:creator>bobh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Most seniors are very happy with their Medicare.  The Republicans now want to alienate them, too, along with Hispanics, women,…?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most seniors are very happy with their Medicare.  The Republicans now want to alienate them, too, along with Hispanics, women,…?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915838</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;His opponents need to focus in on a center-left alternative which forcefully enables the current health care system (sans gov’t run hospitals like the VA) to absorb the costs of a lot of patients, so that the new overall average cost for the nation will be reduced by some significant percentage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think a lot of the ‘add competition to the current system’ ideas are terrific, and I’ve proposed a couple. But, to reduce costs requires more force from government. It’s quite the opposite of a mandate which would bring more customers to the system and more profits, but similar in that government forces something (a mandate is quite forceful).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First I suppose, one would have to decide precisely how much money to wring out of the health care &amp; insurance industry. Then you would match that somehow to standards by which people could qualify for subsidized (partial or whole) insurance. On one side is X dollars and on the other is Y people representing X dollars of insurance to subsidize.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are very political-economic questions, but there might be some beginning points in the numbers of people already involved in certain programs or who are uninsured altogether and the dollars which would be needed to insure all of them as though in employee plans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other side you have to tax the industry somehow to raise that money which would be fed into insurance on behalf of the special groups to be insured.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hard as it is to imagine there are quite a few gov’t programs you could fold into this idea and maybe not eliminate them entirely, but certainly shrink them tremendously. You’d still have to have bureaucracy to gather information determining someone’s qualifications for admittance to that program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t it be amazing if someone like Sen. Hatch could be enticed into a new kind of program which would be so revolutionary as to cover everyone in America at tremendously lower costs while putting the health care &amp; insurance industry back in a box (in terms of cost containment)?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His opponents need to focus in on a center-left alternative which forcefully enables the current health care system (sans gov’t run hospitals like the VA) to absorb the costs of a lot of patients, so that the new overall average cost for the nation will be reduced by some significant percentage.</p>
<p>I think a lot of the ‘add competition to the current system’ ideas are terrific, and I’ve proposed a couple. But, to reduce costs requires more force from government. It’s quite the opposite of a mandate which would bring more customers to the system and more profits, but similar in that government forces something (a mandate is quite forceful).</p>
<p>First I suppose, one would have to decide precisely how much money to wring out of the health care &amp; insurance industry. Then you would match that somehow to standards by which people could qualify for subsidized (partial or whole) insurance. On one side is X dollars and on the other is Y people representing X dollars of insurance to subsidize.</p>
<p>These are very political-economic questions, but there might be some beginning points in the numbers of people already involved in certain programs or who are uninsured altogether and the dollars which would be needed to insure all of them as though in employee plans.</p>
<p>On the other side you have to tax the industry somehow to raise that money which would be fed into insurance on behalf of the special groups to be insured.</p>
<p>Hard as it is to imagine there are quite a few gov’t programs you could fold into this idea and maybe not eliminate them entirely, but certainly shrink them tremendously. You’d still have to have bureaucracy to gather information determining someone’s qualifications for admittance to that program.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t it be amazing if someone like Sen. Hatch could be enticed into a new kind of program which would be so revolutionary as to cover everyone in America at tremendously lower costs while putting the health care &amp; insurance industry back in a box (in terms of cost containment)?</p>
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		<title>By: glogrrl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915696</link>
		<dc:creator>glogrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt; “HATCH AND REPUBLICAN FINANCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IMPLORE OBAMA: NO GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE PLAN”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, goody……..I’m sure Sen. Hatch and his fellow Rethuglican committee members will be happy to surrender THEIR GOVERNMENT-RUN SENATE HEALTHCARE AND RETIREMENT PACKAGE FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> “HATCH AND REPUBLICAN FINANCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IMPLORE OBAMA: NO GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE PLAN”</em></p>
<p>Oh, goody……..I’m sure Sen. Hatch and his fellow Rethuglican committee members will be happy to surrender THEIR GOVERNMENT-RUN SENATE HEALTHCARE AND RETIREMENT PACKAGE FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915689</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scarecrow’s diary promoted!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5705&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sen. Kent Conrad Proposes Yet Another Way to Kill a Public Health Option&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarecrow’s diary promoted!<br /><a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5705" rel="nofollow">Sen. Kent Conrad Proposes Yet Another Way to Kill a Public Health Option</a></p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amen!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915686</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Saw a title over at the Orange Satan that labels the Rethugs GOPasaurs.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GOPasaurs = a herd of GOPasauris, a gassy, egg bearing, dung eating reptile known for standing with its head up its ass.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GOPasaurs.  Has a nice ring to it, doncha think?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a title over at the Orange Satan that labels the Rethugs GOPasaurs.    </p>
<p>GOPasaurs = a herd of GOPasauris, a gassy, egg bearing, dung eating reptile known for standing with its head up its ass.  </p>
<p>GOPasaurs.  Has a nice ring to it, doncha think?</p>
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		<title>By: Badwater</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915683</link>
		<dc:creator>Badwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No pardon from the Decider?  How ungrateful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No pardon from the Decider?  How ungrateful.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915682</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane’s Silo piece upstairs!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/louise-slaughter-says-conference-report-will-not-contain-lieberman-photo-amendment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Louise Slaughter Says Conference Report Will Not Contain Lieberman Photo Amendment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane’s Silo piece upstairs!<br /><a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/louise-slaughter-says-conference-report-will-not-contain-lieberman-photo-amendment/" rel="nofollow">Louise Slaughter Says Conference Report Will Not Contain Lieberman Photo Amendment</a></p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915681</link>
		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No rush, right.  Just wait until it’s reelection time and more people have bankrupted.  I hate listening to these people who do not have any financial worries at all tell the rest of us, there there now.  blah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also (o/t) My hinky meter went up about ten miles when watching a piece about alternative energy in California and a huge project that got the green light, but commencement of the program has been deferred to &lt;em&gt;2012&lt;/em&gt;….hmm.  time enough for it to get scuttled altogether later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No rush, right.  Just wait until it’s reelection time and more people have bankrupted.  I hate listening to these people who do not have any financial worries at all tell the rest of us, there there now.  blah.</p>
<p>Also (o/t) My hinky meter went up about ten miles when watching a piece about alternative energy in California and a huge project that got the green light, but commencement of the program has been deferred to <em>2012</em>….hmm.  time enough for it to get scuttled altogether later.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/10/gop-to-introduce-measure-repealing-medicare-and-medicaid/#comment-1915680</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Orrin Hatch is the definition of “prigg.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orrin Hatch is the definition of “prigg.”</p>
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