Comments on: Early Morning Swim: Rachel Interviews NWHF President Who Fears More Anti-Choice Violence

By: JDM3

JDM3 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:07:19 +0000

Initial charge may well change as DA’s investigation proceeds, with sub B still a possibility. Kinda early to conclude he acted without enabling co conspirators. Be interesting to see what DOJ turns up, as it was with some of the Deep South civil rights murder cases. Appreciate your answer at 36 and the info re: current charge.

By: roand

roand — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:51:11 +0000

the media, including Rachel, describe Tiller as a “late term abortion provider”. It is unfair to women and to the pro-choice movement. HE SAVED WOMEN’S LIVES! HE REDUCED THE NEEDLESS SUFFERING OF HOPEFUL AND LOVING PREGNANT WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES! He eliminated the needless suffering of horribly mutilated or genetically doomed fetuses. He assisted loving couples and families in avoiding the horrors, bureaucracy, and unconscionable expense of the American health system which impoverishes and bankrupts law abiding citizens. We need to have a much better description of the rationale for such late term abortions and the condition of afflicted mothers and disfigured fetuses so that the public will know of the compassion of late term abortion providers like Dr. Tiller. Has anyone asked the anti-abortion movement to be emotionally, medically, and financially responsible for husbands and children deprived of a mother lost to fatal late term abnormality? Have they offered the daily love, care, and money to adopt a horribly mutilated “naturally born” child who will survive in pain for weeks or months without a brain, intestines, a face, arms or legs, or worse? No. Their compassion stops at birth. The media should be exposing this side of the argument. I do not see it even from the few liberal commentators.

By: BargainCountertenor

BargainCountertenor — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:25:51 +0000

On the death penalty issue, yeah, if he were facing execution I’d do what I could to try to stop it. I’ve lost a beloved aunt and uncle (my dad’s oldest sibs) to murderers. Both murderers are dead now. My aunt and uncle are still dead, and my father still mourns their loss.

From a retribution viewpoint, life in prison is in many respects worse than death.

By: BargainCountertenor

BargainCountertenor — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:14:47 +0000

The answer to that question, SD, is not much at all.

By: SouthernDragon

SouthernDragon — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:14:41 +0000

Will his execution deter other Op rescue types from killing again? Yes.

Just like executing Paul Hill, killer of Dr Barrett, his escort and seriously wounding Dr Barrett’s wife, deterred the alleged killer of Dr Tiller.

Execution as a deterrence is a lame argument, refuted by numerous studies done over the years.

By: BargainCountertenor

BargainCountertenor — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:10:36 +0000

Roeder is not facing the death penalty. Kansas law provides for the death penalty for premeditated murder with special circumstances. The Sedgwick County DA has already determined that none of the special circumstances apply here.

By: DeadLast

DeadLast — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:43:38 +0000

This is very similar to when Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated in Israel. The extremists got exactly what they wanted.

By: JDM3

JDM3 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:20:12 +0000

Kinda misses the point. I don’t like the death penalty, either, but if you’re charged with first degree murder in kansas, that’s part of your exposure. It’s not as though the DA is gonna start the trial and then say, oh, btw, I’m gonna ignore the statute so the death penalty’s just not a possibility in this case. Likewise, most of the people in a vigil line at Roeder’s execution are gonna be more Op Rescue members.

Roeder’s a martyr to them right now. It’s not gonna change much if he’s executed. To them, he’s a hero. Would he kill again if he gets out? Yes

Will his execution deter other Op rescue types from killing again? Yes.

Those are answers that a Kansas jury may very well deliver after Roeder’s trial. If that happens, I’m not gonna pick that opportunity to start protesting the death penalty in a state that’s killed plenty of other men who committed the same sort of crime. What are you going to do with your “two wrongs don’t make a right” view? Work for Roeder to avoid execution?

By: DonQuisadorme

DonQuisadorme — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:32:10 +0000

I hope you all are enjoying the deadly psychotic delusional terrorism that your governments, at all levels, are subsidizing with the blanket exemption from taxation that “religious” organizations receive. While your friendly neighborhood Christian church is fomenting insurrection and assassination, its 501(c)(3) status keeps it from having to pay any kind of taxes.

By: BearCountry

BearCountry — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:18:07 +0000

Killing Dr. Tiller was certainly not terrorism. This was a righteous act by someone willing to martyr himself to the Godless fanatics who are ruining the country. It is good that the government report on domestic terrorism was pulled. After all, we know that there are no such people. Poor Timothy McVeigh was unjustly made a martyr by a government at war with its people.