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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914197</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Because your ad hominem personal attacks should not be allowed, that’s why. Stick to the issues.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because your ad hominem personal attacks should not be allowed, that’s why. Stick to the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: applepie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914191</link>
		<dc:creator>applepie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gee, you can attack me, as you did numerous times since your first misshapen post, you can attack all the Americans who do not believe in perpetual war, you can even side with known death weapons ennablers and patsies who follow foreign govts marching orders (and if you think I am being ‘rude’ to her than you would have no place in the formative times of our nation nor do you understand the basic tenets of participatory democracy.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But why are you attacking the moderatars? They are giving you bandwidth to spout your nonsense. Have you sense of gratitude or understanding for even that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, you can attack me, as you did numerous times since your first misshapen post, you can attack all the Americans who do not believe in perpetual war, you can even side with known death weapons ennablers and patsies who follow foreign govts marching orders (and if you think I am being ‘rude’ to her than you would have no place in the formative times of our nation nor do you understand the basic tenets of participatory democracy.)</p>
<p>But why are you attacking the moderatars? They are giving you bandwidth to spout your nonsense. Have you sense of gratitude or understanding for even that?</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914154</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I always find the vitriol and hatred that comes from many called compassionate progressives disturbing. My perspective is that reasonable people can find common ground on some issues and agree to disagree on other issues. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are not my wars as you say. I was against the Iraq war but I am for our intervention in Afghanistan. There are countless Democrats and Liberals who feel exactly the same way as I do and for you to demonize those who feel that way is decidedly unfair. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We do not have an economy built on weapons. That is not correct. We are not a colonial power that is also incorrect.To call Jane Harmon a cretin is rude and disrespectful. She is helping to protect us from the enemy and it is unfortunate that you don’t realize that. Al Qaeda wants to kill you too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You call me a dupe and suggest I lack the wits to understand these issues — because I don’t agree with you. Pure ad hominem personal attacks - of course the moderator won’t call you on it. No surprise there. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understand that 3,000 Americans lost their lives on 9-11 and that those people were given safe harbor and support by the Taliban. They are still in that part of the world planning and carrying out attacks on the West. I’m sorry - that is not ok with me and millions of others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was arrested climbing the Pentagon walls on bedsheets during the Vietnam era, I am as radical socially as they come. No one despised Bush-Cheney et al any more than I. I bow to no one as far as my progressive credentials are concerned. But I look at each issue singularly — I am not a kool-aid drinker.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find the vitriol and hatred that comes from many called compassionate progressives disturbing. My perspective is that reasonable people can find common ground on some issues and agree to disagree on other issues. </p>
<p>These are not my wars as you say. I was against the Iraq war but I am for our intervention in Afghanistan. There are countless Democrats and Liberals who feel exactly the same way as I do and for you to demonize those who feel that way is decidedly unfair. </p>
<p>We do not have an economy built on weapons. That is not correct. We are not a colonial power that is also incorrect.To call Jane Harmon a cretin is rude and disrespectful. She is helping to protect us from the enemy and it is unfortunate that you don’t realize that. Al Qaeda wants to kill you too.</p>
<p>You call me a dupe and suggest I lack the wits to understand these issues — because I don’t agree with you. Pure ad hominem personal attacks &#8211; of course the moderator won’t call you on it. No surprise there. </p>
<p>I understand that 3,000 Americans lost their lives on 9-11 and that those people were given safe harbor and support by the Taliban. They are still in that part of the world planning and carrying out attacks on the West. I’m sorry &#8211; that is not ok with me and millions of others.</p>
<p>I was arrested climbing the Pentagon walls on bedsheets during the Vietnam era, I am as radical socially as they come. No one despised Bush-Cheney et al any more than I. I bow to no one as far as my progressive credentials are concerned. But I look at each issue singularly — I am not a kool-aid drinker.</p>
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		<title>By: applepie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914134</link>
		<dc:creator>applepie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cede America to the likes of you? I would sooner drink with killers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is your time that is over. Sure hundreds, maybe thousands, more American youth will get physically and emotionally destroyed by your wars because you are not honest enough to admit that your wars are a lost cause (or maybe you cannot imaging a life without war?), but war is unsustainable. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The re-creation of an economy that is built on weapons is unsustainable. The underlying hatred of your colonialism is unsustainable. And America is about creating a sustainable life. That is why my grandparents came here, and many others do to this day. Cretins like Harman have taken money from the worst forces in our laissez-faire capitalist society, and then convinced dupes like you that she is protecting you from the ‘enemies’. You are being played by these pols but either you lack the wits to understand that or you are in league with them. In either event, that is a misunderstanding of what America is. It is a misunderstanding of the events that made our culture so remarkable, and it is a veiled and barren vision of the future. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you yet understand the metaphor?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ohhh…probly not…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cede America to the likes of you? I would sooner drink with killers.</p>
<p>It is your time that is over. Sure hundreds, maybe thousands, more American youth will get physically and emotionally destroyed by your wars because you are not honest enough to admit that your wars are a lost cause (or maybe you cannot imaging a life without war?), but war is unsustainable. </p>
<p>The re-creation of an economy that is built on weapons is unsustainable. The underlying hatred of your colonialism is unsustainable. And America is about creating a sustainable life. That is why my grandparents came here, and many others do to this day. Cretins like Harman have taken money from the worst forces in our laissez-faire capitalist society, and then convinced dupes like you that she is protecting you from the ‘enemies’. You are being played by these pols but either you lack the wits to understand that or you are in league with them. In either event, that is a misunderstanding of what America is. It is a misunderstanding of the events that made our culture so remarkable, and it is a veiled and barren vision of the future. </p>
<p>Can you yet understand the metaphor?</p>
<p>Ohhh…probly not…</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914123</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is not your America apple pie. You can keep on saying what you do that’s your right. No one is listening.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not your America apple pie. You can keep on saying what you do that’s your right. No one is listening.</p>
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		<title>By: applepie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914113</link>
		<dc:creator>applepie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well redfish you showed your colors there…your accusations of me being unpatriotic reflect the general lunacy that has led this nation to engaging perpetual war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can smile and call yourself a peaceful person in public. Just be sure the wipe the blood off your face before you kiss the death weapons makers ringfinger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was it that is hidden beneath your colonialism?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So enticing is the warm call of war that you call it justifiable!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sad and sickening I think, and a clear example of the etiology of the gangrene aspects of your Americanism that is so distant from anything rational, or life-affirming.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, we knew your kind would not stop their spinning dance, no matter how obvious the immorality or the suffering. But we will not go away. This is our America, free from war and racism and the death spiral of ticking bombs and corrupt congresspeople. Go find someone else to try and convince. I have already chosen that the only enemy here is war.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well redfish you showed your colors there…your accusations of me being unpatriotic reflect the general lunacy that has led this nation to engaging perpetual war.</p>
<p>You can smile and call yourself a peaceful person in public. Just be sure the wipe the blood off your face before you kiss the death weapons makers ringfinger.</p>
<p>What was it that is hidden beneath your colonialism?</p>
<p>So enticing is the warm call of war that you call it justifiable!</p>
<p>Sad and sickening I think, and a clear example of the etiology of the gangrene aspects of your Americanism that is so distant from anything rational, or life-affirming.</p>
<p>Well, we knew your kind would not stop their spinning dance, no matter how obvious the immorality or the suffering. But we will not go away. This is our America, free from war and racism and the death spiral of ticking bombs and corrupt congresspeople. Go find someone else to try and convince. I have already chosen that the only enemy here is war.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914112</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We aren’t the good guys in Afghanistan. We haven’t been the good guys since WWII. That’s the problem. Even if we were good guys in Afghanistan, it doesn’t make up for the bad guy time which you concede. Our national policy has been hypocritical. We say we are for democracy but we support the royal family in Saudi Arabia (among other despots). Speaking of which 15 out of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. We should have invaded them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We aren’t the good guys in Afghanistan. We haven’t been the good guys since WWII. That’s the problem. Even if we were good guys in Afghanistan, it doesn’t make up for the bad guy time which you concede. Our national policy has been hypocritical. We say we are for democracy but we support the royal family in Saudi Arabia (among other despots). Speaking of which 15 out of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. We should have invaded them.</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914105</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am very radical on social issues, single payer health care should be a right, gay marriage, etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I have said previously though, each issue must be evaluated on it’s merits and in context. Yes, I think the US invasion of Afghanistan was totally and completely justified and I hope we kill every single Taliban and Al Qaeda member that lives today. They are religious fanatics whose actions are so beyond the pale that I think they have relinquished any right to live in a civilized world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That does not excuse past US transgressions, but there is no question we are the good guys in this conflict.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very radical on social issues, single payer health care should be a right, gay marriage, etc. </p>
<p>As I have said previously though, each issue must be evaluated on it’s merits and in context. Yes, I think the US invasion of Afghanistan was totally and completely justified and I hope we kill every single Taliban and Al Qaeda member that lives today. They are religious fanatics whose actions are so beyond the pale that I think they have relinquished any right to live in a civilized world.</p>
<p>That does not excuse past US transgressions, but there is no question we are the good guys in this conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914104</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane Harmon does not fund perpetual war. There has never been a bill introduced to perpetuate perpetual war. That is your hyperbole and it is just that. Issues must be looked at individually and in context. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your use of inflammatory rhetoric like ‘mass slaughter’ does nothing to advance this dialogue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tax dollars going to fund a strong military is something I support and if you were a patriotic American you would too. The question is not a well equipped military — it is when and how that power is used.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Harmon does not fund perpetual war. There has never been a bill introduced to perpetuate perpetual war. That is your hyperbole and it is just that. Issues must be looked at individually and in context. </p>
<p>Your use of inflammatory rhetoric like ‘mass slaughter’ does nothing to advance this dialogue.</p>
<p>Tax dollars going to fund a strong military is something I support and if you were a patriotic American you would too. The question is not a well equipped military — it is when and how that power is used.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/08/stop-the-supplemental-to-the-phones/#comment-1914094</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How radical are you on social issues? Single payer health insurance? How do you feel about the bailouts? Don’t you see the huge investment in our military means we can’t make those radical changes you claim to want? Afghanistan is not a just war. Do you realy think the Afghan nation was complicit in 9-11 to the point of justifying an invasion? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s true orthodox Muslims get spooky, (orthodox anyone gets spooky) but sorting things out is like finding fault in a dysfunctional marriage. There’s plenty of blame to go around. It’s not that we support Israel as such, but Israel is expansionary. It’s true they are the only conquerers in recent memory to return conquered territory voluntarily, but they also said they would return to the 1967 borders and then changed their mind. They treat arabs in Israel and out badly. They say it’s because Hamas lobs missles, but to King George, Washington was a terrorist. It depends on whose ox gets gored.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You say Vietnam and Iraq were not just wars, but we are in Iraq and seem prepared to stay there indefinitely. Our problem as an empire is we think we can succeed where others fail. The effete French couldn’t hang on to Vietnam, so we would show them. Same is true for Afghanistan. No one, not even Alexander the Great, could conquer them, but we will and we intend to do it by sponsoring a truly corrupt government and blowing up wedding parties. Hey sorry about that. Everyone makes mistakes especially when you sit in Nevada and pull the trigger on a drone in Afghanistan. Our tax dollars at work. You say war is hell. We’d stop except the bad guys won’t let us. Time to think along different lines.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How radical are you on social issues? Single payer health insurance? How do you feel about the bailouts? Don’t you see the huge investment in our military means we can’t make those radical changes you claim to want? Afghanistan is not a just war. Do you realy think the Afghan nation was complicit in 9-11 to the point of justifying an invasion? </p>
<p>It’s true orthodox Muslims get spooky, (orthodox anyone gets spooky) but sorting things out is like finding fault in a dysfunctional marriage. There’s plenty of blame to go around. It’s not that we support Israel as such, but Israel is expansionary. It’s true they are the only conquerers in recent memory to return conquered territory voluntarily, but they also said they would return to the 1967 borders and then changed their mind. They treat arabs in Israel and out badly. They say it’s because Hamas lobs missles, but to King George, Washington was a terrorist. It depends on whose ox gets gored.</p>
<p>You say Vietnam and Iraq were not just wars, but we are in Iraq and seem prepared to stay there indefinitely. Our problem as an empire is we think we can succeed where others fail. The effete French couldn’t hang on to Vietnam, so we would show them. Same is true for Afghanistan. No one, not even Alexander the Great, could conquer them, but we will and we intend to do it by sponsoring a truly corrupt government and blowing up wedding parties. Hey sorry about that. Everyone makes mistakes especially when you sit in Nevada and pull the trigger on a drone in Afghanistan. Our tax dollars at work. You say war is hell. We’d stop except the bad guys won’t let us. Time to think along different lines.</p>
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