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	<title>Comments on: Suicide &#8212; Another Side-Effect of the Economic Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913146</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I advocate empathy! :) The several suicidal people I’ve tried to help in the past were older white men who used to espouse the idea that if you were good with God, nothing bad could happen because they knew that bad things only happen to the unworthy. When their financial security applecart was upset, it told them they were “bad” people. Tough job to convince them that an ideology they embraced for many years was not true.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I advocate empathy! :) The several suicidal people I’ve tried to help in the past were older white men who used to espouse the idea that if you were good with God, nothing bad could happen because they knew that bad things only happen to the unworthy. When their financial security applecart was upset, it told them they were “bad” people. Tough job to convince them that an ideology they embraced for many years was not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913127</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sorry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913125</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m ao aoeey.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m ao aoeey.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913051</link>
		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, people suffer and die and others gain wealth and power as a result issues that are sometimes treated as abstract matters of policy. Policies have real-life consequences. Of course if you point that out, you may be accused of advocating empathy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, people suffer and die and others gain wealth and power as a result issues that are sometimes treated as abstract matters of policy. Policies have real-life consequences. Of course if you point that out, you may be accused of advocating empathy.</p>
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		<title>By: mstar57</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913050</link>
		<dc:creator>mstar57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m afraid this is just the tip of the iceberg for most of the American people. Things will become increasingly worse and many will simply be faced with situations they are not prepared to deal with on any level - unfortunately this will be the only way out in the eyes of tens of thousands of people if not many more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sometime in the middle half of 2010 the Obama/Geittner/Summers propaganda that “the recession is over” will be revealed for what it always was and always has been: a lie foisted on the public “for our own good.” When this occurs the American public will lose whatever trust and confidence they once had in their government, as well as its leaders, elected and appointed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was known as simply a “recession” will be revealed as a massive full blown Depression once the so-called stimulus “cure” runs its course and the Bear market rally crumbles and crashes to Earth beginning in October 2009. As 2010 grinds slowly on and on, the process “when belief in the system fades” will reach even more of the country’s population, then the conclusion: “we’ve been lied to” will finally take hold.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Naturally, “Obama &amp; Company” will claim that “this is finally the bottom of the real estate collaspe” and then more borrow-and-spend stimulus packages will begin in 2011. Of course that too will fail for the fundamental reason the first stimulus failed: inflating debt cannot cure over-indebtedness and financial trickery cannot fix financial fraud.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the first quarter of 2012 the American public will finally “come out of the ether” and get an unvarnished look at the REAL World currently masked by governmental lies, deception and  massive injections of propaganda. It won’t be pretty, nor will it be the fantasyland being currently promised - “return to 2006 bubble economy”. Instead what the American people will be faced with is a full-blown financial and social meltdown. However this time, unlike the Great Depression of the 1930’s, this Depression will be so severe and brutal many will question whether the country as they once knew it will even survive at all.  Any hope of a better future for the American people’s children will quickly evaporate and no longer exist…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m afraid this is just the tip of the iceberg for most of the American people. Things will become increasingly worse and many will simply be faced with situations they are not prepared to deal with on any level &#8211; unfortunately this will be the only way out in the eyes of tens of thousands of people if not many more.</p>
<p>Sometime in the middle half of 2010 the Obama/Geittner/Summers propaganda that “the recession is over” will be revealed for what it always was and always has been: a lie foisted on the public “for our own good.” When this occurs the American public will lose whatever trust and confidence they once had in their government, as well as its leaders, elected and appointed.</p>
<p>What was known as simply a “recession” will be revealed as a massive full blown Depression once the so-called stimulus “cure” runs its course and the Bear market rally crumbles and crashes to Earth beginning in October 2009. As 2010 grinds slowly on and on, the process “when belief in the system fades” will reach even more of the country’s population, then the conclusion: “we’ve been lied to” will finally take hold.</p>
<p>Naturally, “Obama &amp; Company” will claim that “this is finally the bottom of the real estate collaspe” and then more borrow-and-spend stimulus packages will begin in 2011. Of course that too will fail for the fundamental reason the first stimulus failed: inflating debt cannot cure over-indebtedness and financial trickery cannot fix financial fraud.</p>
<p>In the first quarter of 2012 the American public will finally “come out of the ether” and get an unvarnished look at the REAL World currently masked by governmental lies, deception and  massive injections of propaganda. It won’t be pretty, nor will it be the fantasyland being currently promised &#8211; “return to 2006 bubble economy”. Instead what the American people will be faced with is a full-blown financial and social meltdown. However this time, unlike the Great Depression of the 1930’s, this Depression will be so severe and brutal many will question whether the country as they once knew it will even survive at all.  Any hope of a better future for the American people’s children will quickly evaporate and no longer exist…</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913042</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There will be many casualties from the housing bubble and financial meltdown both in our country and around the world.  There will be deaths, suicides, stunted lives.  But those who were most responsible for this damage will get off pretty much scotfree:  Jamie Dimon (JPM), Lloyd Blankfein(GS), Hank Paulson (GS/Treasury), Joseph Cassano (AIG), Hank Greenberg (AIG), Mrtin Sullivan (AIG), John Mack (MS), Stanly O’Neal (Merrill), John Thain (Merrill), James Canye (Bear Stearns), Ken Lewis (BoA), John Stumpf (Wells Fargo), Robert Rubin (Citi/Treasury), Larry Summers (Treasury), William Donaldson (SEC), Christopher Cox (SEC), John Snow (Treasury), Bill Gross (PIMCO), and the list goes on and on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be many casualties from the housing bubble and financial meltdown both in our country and around the world.  There will be deaths, suicides, stunted lives.  But those who were most responsible for this damage will get off pretty much scotfree:  Jamie Dimon (JPM), Lloyd Blankfein(GS), Hank Paulson (GS/Treasury), Joseph Cassano (AIG), Hank Greenberg (AIG), Mrtin Sullivan (AIG), John Mack (MS), Stanly O’Neal (Merrill), John Thain (Merrill), James Canye (Bear Stearns), Ken Lewis (BoA), John Stumpf (Wells Fargo), Robert Rubin (Citi/Treasury), Larry Summers (Treasury), William Donaldson (SEC), Christopher Cox (SEC), John Snow (Treasury), Bill Gross (PIMCO), and the list goes on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913035</link>
		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The scary thing is that so many, at least recently, have killed their families as well as themselves. I don’t know how someone could do that but the pain must be extreme.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scary thing is that so many, at least recently, have killed their families as well as themselves. I don’t know how someone could do that but the pain must be extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes. I like the way you put it.&lt;br /&gt;
The families I have been involved with through marriage or my own have a tendency to pretend nothing is wrong. Denial of suffering means the person in pain is not heard. Worst thing that can happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I like the way you put it.<br />
The families I have been involved with through marriage or my own have a tendency to pretend nothing is wrong. Denial of suffering means the person in pain is not heard. Worst thing that can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzzy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913032</link>
		<dc:creator>Muzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Part of my work is at a tertiary care hospital with inpatient mental health services.  Apart from the constant year round need for treatment of serious mental conditions which most often include suicidal ideation or having just made an attempt, there are meta trends in the histories of people that sometimes emerge over the course of months or years as contributing to their downward spiral.  Five years ago, it was meth.  Over the past year, undoubtedly it’s been home foreclosure and job loss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suicidal ideation can result from many different causes, but the majority of the time it is transient and treatable particularly when there is another person available to listen and understand what they are experiencing.  That can be family, spouse, friends, co-workers, pastors, or health care providers, to name a few.  Sometimes it takes hospitalization and sometimes medication plays a critical role in helping.  Sometimes despite all the best efforts of others, it doesn’t work to save a life.  But helping all starts with an awareness of the degree of suffering of others.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of my work is at a tertiary care hospital with inpatient mental health services.  Apart from the constant year round need for treatment of serious mental conditions which most often include suicidal ideation or having just made an attempt, there are meta trends in the histories of people that sometimes emerge over the course of months or years as contributing to their downward spiral.  Five years ago, it was meth.  Over the past year, undoubtedly it’s been home foreclosure and job loss.</p>
<p>Suicidal ideation can result from many different causes, but the majority of the time it is transient and treatable particularly when there is another person available to listen and understand what they are experiencing.  That can be family, spouse, friends, co-workers, pastors, or health care providers, to name a few.  Sometimes it takes hospitalization and sometimes medication plays a critical role in helping.  Sometimes despite all the best efforts of others, it doesn’t work to save a life.  But helping all starts with an awareness of the degree of suffering of others.</p>
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		<title>By: frandor55</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/suicide-another-side-effect-of-the-economic-crisis/#comment-1913031</link>
		<dc:creator>frandor55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a genetic component that often figures in mental illness. It is in my family, I have cousins who became alcoholic and hard drug addicts, there father was alcoholic, my branch of the famliy has a schizophrenic and some who have dealt with clinical depression and bi-polar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a genetic component that often figures in mental illness. It is in my family, I have cousins who became alcoholic and hard drug addicts, there father was alcoholic, my branch of the famliy has a schizophrenic and some who have dealt with clinical depression and bi-polar.</p>
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