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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon: Idiot America with Charles Pierce</title>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/book-salon-idiot-america-with-charles-pierce/#comment-1913315</link>
		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or, as BB King sang, “Nobody loves me but my mother and she could be jiving too…”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, as BB King sang, “Nobody loves me but my mother and she could be jiving too…”</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/book-salon-idiot-america-with-charles-pierce/#comment-1913312</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No no no no!  Cribbage is the game of the Midwest!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no no!  Cribbage is the game of the Midwest!</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/book-salon-idiot-america-with-charles-pierce/#comment-1913300</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Or try the first rule of anthropological interviewing: trust but verify. Cross check everything you learn to determine if it is true, accurate, and you actually understand what it means&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My son, currently a print journalism major @ USC, so loved the little ditty he learned at Northwestern’s summer program for high school journalists:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If your mother says she loves you, check it out.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or try the first rule of anthropological interviewing: trust but verify. Cross check everything you learn to determine if it is true, accurate, and you actually understand what it means</p>
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<p>My son, currently a print journalism major @ USC, so loved the little ditty he learned at Northwestern’s summer program for high school journalists:</p>
<p>“If your mother says she loves you, check it out.”</p>
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		<title>By: treadlightly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/book-salon-idiot-america-with-charles-pierce/#comment-1913293</link>
		<dc:creator>treadlightly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I look forward to reading this book, but I fear I may lose interest when there is absolutely nothing in it that surprises me. In the end, it is quite depressing to either read about or deal with people for whom being idiots is a proud achievement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a former teacher who taught in rural areas in New Mexico and Washington, as well as in urban and suburban Colorado, I’ve been fully exposed to the brilliance of both our adults and the children we’re dooming to idiocy in our schools. My short career came to an end when I accepted the fact that neither the students or parents or administration were interested in genuine learning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I left teaching, I had resigned myself to the hopelessness of revitalizing the US. There is no way our current levels of stupidity and ignorance will allow us to prosper in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, “Idiot America” is a book that will be ignored by the idiots.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to reading this book, but I fear I may lose interest when there is absolutely nothing in it that surprises me. In the end, it is quite depressing to either read about or deal with people for whom being idiots is a proud achievement.</p>
<p>As a former teacher who taught in rural areas in New Mexico and Washington, as well as in urban and suburban Colorado, I’ve been fully exposed to the brilliance of both our adults and the children we’re dooming to idiocy in our schools. My short career came to an end when I accepted the fact that neither the students or parents or administration were interested in genuine learning.</p>
<p>When I left teaching, I had resigned myself to the hopelessness of revitalizing the US. There is no way our current levels of stupidity and ignorance will allow us to prosper in the future.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, “Idiot America” is a book that will be ignored by the idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: mozartssister</title>
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		<dc:creator>mozartssister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m afraid “distinguishing between entertainment and information” won’t be enough.  For one thing, the lines between the two are increasingly blurred, for better or ill (and IMHO Jon Stewart does the best analysis on TV right now, so this may not at all be a bad thing in terms of reaching people and getting “the message” across).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But beyond that, INFORMATION is NOT KNOWLEDGE.  Only when received information is put into context, and connections are drawn between new facts and previous understanding, i.e. when information is processed, analyzed, critiqued, and mutually adapted into larger frameworks can true understanding ensue.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That kind of deep contextual understanding is a function of a sound liberal education.  Unfortunately, as everything in our culture has been re-defined to serve profit margins and the bottom line, as information itself becomes just another commodity, understanding has–like so many other elements of a healthy society–fallen by the wayside.  As long as education continues to become more and more merely a commodity that the consumer student can purchase on his or her way to greater profits of his own, the trend of mistaking information for knowledge will continue to worsen.  To the detriment of democracy and the greater good, and other “unprofitable” values . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m afraid “distinguishing between entertainment and information” won’t be enough.  For one thing, the lines between the two are increasingly blurred, for better or ill (and IMHO Jon Stewart does the best analysis on TV right now, so this may not at all be a bad thing in terms of reaching people and getting “the message” across).</p>
<p>But beyond that, INFORMATION is NOT KNOWLEDGE.  Only when received information is put into context, and connections are drawn between new facts and previous understanding, i.e. when information is processed, analyzed, critiqued, and mutually adapted into larger frameworks can true understanding ensue.  </p>
<p>That kind of deep contextual understanding is a function of a sound liberal education.  Unfortunately, as everything in our culture has been re-defined to serve profit margins and the bottom line, as information itself becomes just another commodity, understanding has–like so many other elements of a healthy society–fallen by the wayside.  As long as education continues to become more and more merely a commodity that the consumer student can purchase on his or her way to greater profits of his own, the trend of mistaking information for knowledge will continue to worsen.  To the detriment of democracy and the greater good, and other “unprofitable” values . . .</p>
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		<title>By: David Neiwert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Neiwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agh! Sorry I missed this, Charles … hope all is well. Your book is winging its way to my home now …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agh! Sorry I missed this, Charles … hope all is well. Your book is winging its way to my home now …</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/book-salon-idiot-america-with-charles-pierce/#comment-1913279</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s Cynthia Kouril upstairs!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/the-sec-civil-suit-against-countrywide’s-mozilo-why-you-need-to-know-about-parallel-proceedings/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The SEC Civil Suit Against Countrywide’s Mozilo: Why You Need to Know About “Parallel Proceedings”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s Cynthia Kouril upstairs!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/the-sec-civil-suit-against-countrywide’s-mozilo-why-you-need-to-know-about-parallel-proceedings/" rel="nofollow">The SEC Civil Suit Against Countrywide’s Mozilo: Why You Need to Know About “Parallel Proceedings”</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you so much Mr. Pierce, and the effervescent watertiger, this was grand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you, too, Bev.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Mr. Pierce, and the effervescent watertiger, this was grand.</p>
<p>And you, too, Bev.</p>
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		<title>By: noblejoanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>noblejoanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Atrios sent us over. Thanks for letting us crash your party, firepups!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thank you, Charles Pierce. Looking forward to reading your book.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrios sent us over. Thanks for letting us crash your party, firepups!</p>
<p>And thank you, Charles Pierce. Looking forward to reading your book.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/book-salon-idiot-america-with-charles-pierce/#comment-1913276</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane’s Silo is upstairs!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/jim-moran-will-vote-against-the-supplemental/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Now They’re LOSING Votes: Jim Moran Will Vote Against the Supplemental&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane’s Silo is upstairs!<br /><a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/jim-moran-will-vote-against-the-supplemental/" rel="nofollow">Now They’re LOSING Votes: Jim Moran Will Vote Against the Supplemental</a></p>
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