“Why would a pregnant woman stay pregnant for 8 months, and then just decide she wanted to end the pregnancy, unless there was a good reason”

is a statement that pregnant women do not actually do this. There are plenty of people holding the opinion you’re correctly rejecting, but so far they’re not posting here.

How stupid (or brain-washed) can some people be? Late term abortions are extremely rare procedures, performed by a small number of physicians. They are a last resort for those who have discovered through modern diagnostics that their child’s medical condition is utterly hopeless. On the advice of their doctors and with the counsel of their clergy, there is no more heartbreaking, agonizing, soul-searching decision for a pregnant couple to make. Late term abortion is not an impulsive or selfish choice.

Current law uphold’s the right for all women. It does not force or require any woman, any couple, anywhere in the U.S. to end any pregnancy by abortion, late-term or otherwise. A rational person would hope that late term abortions will become totally unnecessary or increasingly rare. However, by law, women deserve the right to make the choice.

That is a great point. Living with suffering underlies much of religious teaching, especially Catholicism. Church history is replete with persecuted saints, the blessed who wore hair shirts or whipped themselves bloody. They were suffering as Christ suffered in order to be more ‘Christ-like.’ Obedience and pain- your sins are forgiven. That’s the path to heaven.

When women decide NOT to obey, refuse to live a life of endless misery, or even die to bring to term an abnormal pregnancy, they are demonized as evil.

Many groups use young, or trouble members to do the dirty work. How knows, perhaps they were just talking tought all that time–seems to me they are fools if they did not know they were inciting people.

No, I do not think they have a factory to churn these people out. But when does dogma and spewing violence turn to manufacturing terrorists? I am guessing sometimes its a seamless transition and some members look up and see what they have become. I hope when these people see what they have become they are sick, and do not quietly smile.

Reading Google search results for the killer yielded Operation Rescue’s web site and a calendar of events. Sick stuff!

Seems that these groups should be charged as co-conpirators in Tiller’s death given the inflamatory language you find by just Googling. Several noted Right to Life leaders have argued loudly and in print that murdering a doctor practicing abortion is not a crime in that Rosa Parks broke the law but was justified in doing so. Rosa sat on a bus bench; she didn’t drive half way across a state and kill someone in church after posting blogg comments that the dr’s church needs to be confronted.

I wrote to FDL’s “idea e-mail address” asking where there might be middle ground with the “Pro Life” nuts. It is hard for me to see any “middle ground” with these deranged people.

Hopefully there will be some good to come out of this in that, along with the Untarian Universalist Church shooting in TN, more people will come to see that the GOP has been taken over by lunatics and, so repulsed, will reconsider supporting the party in any way. Maybe the middle ground is that most of us are sane and want to distance ourselves from insanity.

Casting blame for his actions on the movements he pretended to represent is akin to blaming the environmentalist movement (and of course the Democratic Party and “the left”) for the actions of Ted Kaczynski.

A year later, I was talking with a pro-life lobbiest in my home state. She said, “The fetus died, that voids anything we prolifers lobbied for in regards to third term. That should not happen. It’s not abortion then, it’s a medical procedure.”

I explained that there are intrusive consequences to a couple’s tragic loss with the laws she had worked so hard to get on the books. Even though it was not “intended” what she did not realize was that the state had to “shape” the policy in order to come up with laws/procedures that would make sure the anti third term abortion laws were enforced. Thus, those faced with tragic third-term loss, have to submit to the laws to prove their “in utero” loss.

She said she had no idea. I said, “Exactly. These are personal situations which your laws you lobbied for had no right to intrude upon.” I asked her to explain to me how you enforce no third term abortion when there is a third term loss and the expired fetus does not go into spontaneous abortion and the mother is not a candidate for a c-section because the time that lapsed waiting for the spontaneous abortion now put her life at risk, voiding other options including induction because she had previous c-sections?

She said she had, “No ideas on how to address such situations.”

I finished with telling her that, “My family members never received the remains for cremation and burial. The state then disposed of the remains as medical waste after the coroner did his examination. Thus, her lobby efforts for “respect for life,” had no respect for “after life”.

She was speechless.