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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1911174</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with the letter of what the Right is saying on this, even if I doubt the underlying sincerity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lousy ideas should be denounced as lousy ideas. But don’t confuse them with acts. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Saying that someone deserves death or even that you’d like to kill him is not the same as doing it. If it were, many common rhetorical expressions and all murder mysteries would be criminal–as the advocates of censorship have indeed argued in the past. Yet you’d do nothing to reduce the level of violence in society.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dr. Tiller was a public figure. People knew what he did and where he did it. His church and home address were easy to figure out from public sources. Knowledge of who he was and where he was did not kill him, nor did opinions of what he did or what kind of person he was. Indeed, without such knowledge and without positive public opinion, he couldn’t have pursued his profession. So no one can condemn opposing points of view just because they are not positive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Tiller was murdered. That his killer was associated with opinions that condemned abortion is neither here nor there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the letter of what the Right is saying on this, even if I doubt the underlying sincerity.</p>
<p>Lousy ideas should be denounced as lousy ideas. But don’t confuse them with acts. </p>
<p>Saying that someone deserves death or even that you’d like to kill him is not the same as doing it. If it were, many common rhetorical expressions and all murder mysteries would be criminal–as the advocates of censorship have indeed argued in the past. Yet you’d do nothing to reduce the level of violence in society.</p>
<p>Dr. Tiller was a public figure. People knew what he did and where he did it. His church and home address were easy to figure out from public sources. Knowledge of who he was and where he was did not kill him, nor did opinions of what he did or what kind of person he was. Indeed, without such knowledge and without positive public opinion, he couldn’t have pursued his profession. So no one can condemn opposing points of view just because they are not positive.</p>
<p>Mr. Tiller was murdered. That his killer was associated with opinions that condemned abortion is neither here nor there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mile23</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mile23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again: I think the story has yet to be told about Tiller’s assailant. Wouldn’t it suck if he was a member of PETA or something?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So please, let O’Reilly make an ass of himself, but don’t accuse him of being complicit until you *know that he is.*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again: I think the story has yet to be told about Tiller’s assailant. Wouldn’t it suck if he was a member of PETA or something?</p>
<p>So please, let O’Reilly make an ass of himself, but don’t accuse him of being complicit until you *know that he is.*</p>
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		<title>By: eleventy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1911050</link>
		<dc:creator>eleventy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, I am a liberal and I do not condone the stifling of free speech. Hell, the right wing nutjobs have just as much a right to speak their minds as do the left wing nutjobs.  But what O’Reilly and his hate-filled minions and wannabes do NOT have the right to do is paint a big fucking target on a specific individual and goad their listeners into hunting down that person and murdering him in cold blood while he stands in the foyer of his house of worship.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agreed.  There is a vast difference between &lt;em&gt;parody&lt;/em&gt; of existing language standards and &lt;em&gt;hate speech&lt;/em&gt;.  Somewhere between take a hint but short of hit piece.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thing is, as long as progressives still make cozy with the Julius Streichers on the Left, they won’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to taking down the O’Reillys on the right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not a partisan matter.  To the targets, their families and communities (of which we are all a part, bottom line), it’s a matter of domestic terrorism.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do we have the integrity to apply pressure to peers when they commence down that path?  Do we have the integrity to step out of and speak out within networks who still rely on scape-goating and extra-judicial shortcuts for justice?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The media, including the internet, is still far better at taking out individuals than it is at addressing systemic and establishment issues.  Perhaps the next evolution is web 3.0.  Cause 2.0 is just 1.0 with greater expediency and all its attendant haste-making waste.  De-contextualizing, cherry-picking data/talking points, galvanizing the frothing hordes.  Till it’s done to death.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s time to examine what equal protection and due process mean across the boards whether we’re speaking in terms of journalism, adjudication or financial transactions.  We don’t need to reinvent the wheel.  We need to work it at every turn, including within our own communities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The compelling law that comes with protecting one’s own necessary becomes a 360 exercise.  At least to those who want to evolve beyond the status quo.  While we’re at it, don’t kill the messenger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, I am a liberal and I do not condone the stifling of free speech. Hell, the right wing nutjobs have just as much a right to speak their minds as do the left wing nutjobs.  But what O’Reilly and his hate-filled minions and wannabes do NOT have the right to do is paint a big fucking target on a specific individual and goad their listeners into hunting down that person and murdering him in cold blood while he stands in the foyer of his house of worship.</p>
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<p>Agreed.  There is a vast difference between <em>parody</em> of existing language standards and <em>hate speech</em>.  Somewhere between take a hint but short of hit piece.</p>
<p>Thing is, as long as progressives still make cozy with the Julius Streichers on the Left, they won’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to taking down the O’Reillys on the right.</p>
<p>It’s not a partisan matter.  To the targets, their families and communities (of which we are all a part, bottom line), it’s a matter of domestic terrorism.  </p>
<p>Do we have the integrity to apply pressure to peers when they commence down that path?  Do we have the integrity to step out of and speak out within networks who still rely on scape-goating and extra-judicial shortcuts for justice?</p>
<p>The media, including the internet, is still far better at taking out individuals than it is at addressing systemic and establishment issues.  Perhaps the next evolution is web 3.0.  Cause 2.0 is just 1.0 with greater expediency and all its attendant haste-making waste.  De-contextualizing, cherry-picking data/talking points, galvanizing the frothing hordes.  Till it’s done to death.  </p>
<p>It’s time to examine what equal protection and due process mean across the boards whether we’re speaking in terms of journalism, adjudication or financial transactions.  We don’t need to reinvent the wheel.  We need to work it at every turn, including within our own communities.</p>
<p>The compelling law that comes with protecting one’s own necessary becomes a 360 exercise.  At least to those who want to evolve beyond the status quo.  While we’re at it, don’t kill the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: igo2go</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1910987</link>
		<dc:creator>igo2go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“And on the seventh day Murdoch rested…I puked but that skeezy bastard…”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“And on the seventh day Murdoch rested…I puked but that skeezy bastard…”</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1910983</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Watertiger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Watertiger.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1910976</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He says we hate FOX, but that can’t be. I don’t even think of FOX unless someone else brings it up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He says we hate FOX, but that can’t be. I don’t even think of FOX unless someone else brings it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1910967</link>
		<dc:creator>Robt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bill ORielly may not want to accept his role in Hate mongering and insidious rage enabling of the extreme minds that are paranoid and mentally unstable.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; BillO didn’t pull the trigger on Tillman.  he was the cheer leader and propagator for it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill ORielly may not want to accept his role in Hate mongering and insidious rage enabling of the extreme minds that are paranoid and mentally unstable.  </p>
<p> BillO didn’t pull the trigger on Tillman.  he was the cheer leader and propagator for it.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1910937</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NO, he wanted to stay. He was a bear of a man, and I think he thought we would not go straight to the judge.&lt;br /&gt;
Wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
You feel, and you can forget whatever sense of justice you have felt in your life up to that point, a huge weight of responsibility. You can’t help it. We didn’t let a minute go by before we called the bailiff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO, he wanted to stay. He was a bear of a man, and I think he thought we would not go straight to the judge.<br />
Wrong.<br />
You feel, and you can forget whatever sense of justice you have felt in your life up to that point, a huge weight of responsibility. You can’t help it. We didn’t let a minute go by before we called the bailiff.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder why he didn’t just say he wanted off the jury to begin with?  It’s easy enough to fake something.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why he didn’t just say he wanted off the jury to begin with?  It’s easy enough to fake something.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/late-night-words-certainly-can-kill/#comment-1910928</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the vote of confidence, RonD.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the vote of confidence, RonD.</p>
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