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		<title>By: Mile23</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/all-together-now-politically-motivated-terrorism-cannot-be-politicized/#comment-1910663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mile23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hate to rain on this little parade, but NO ONE KNOWS THE IDENTITY OF THE MURDERER OF DR. TILLMAN, and thus NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUE MOTIVATION. It’s very likely to be politically-motivated, but as yet there’s no responsible way to say that it definately was.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, please don’t declare it to be terrorism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the full narrative is known (as opposed to guessed-at), then the charges can fly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to rain on this little parade, but NO ONE KNOWS THE IDENTITY OF THE MURDERER OF DR. TILLMAN, and thus NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUE MOTIVATION. It’s very likely to be politically-motivated, but as yet there’s no responsible way to say that it definately was.</p>
<p>Thus, please don’t declare it to be terrorism.</p>
<p>When the full narrative is known (as opposed to guessed-at), then the charges can fly.</p>
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		<title>By: gannonguckert</title>
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		<dc:creator>gannonguckert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The idea that Obama et al., would rise up and lead, take the country in a purposeful direction, is nuts…Obama is a conciliator, no more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Obama et al., would rise up and lead, take the country in a purposeful direction, is nuts…Obama is a conciliator, no more.</p>
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		<title>By: der1</title>
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		<dc:creator>der1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Defend Life”, a command you’ll find along with an image of the pope (who is giving the command) on the back bumpers of many anti-abortionists cars.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Catholic tradition concerning the 5th commandment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Our Lord quoted this Commandment (Matt19: 18) He said: Thou shalt do no murder.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This gives a more exact meaning to the words: “Thou shalt not kill”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is forbidden is the unlawful taking of life. A man has a right to defend himself and to defend others against an unjust aggressor. (Where there is a proportionate cause his action is not murder but self-defence. Obviously there must be some proportion between the cause and the action. A man has a right to defend his life if necessary by shooting. But if his apple tree is being pilfered he has no right to defend that by shooting.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again in so far as it is necessary to defend society against criminals the State has a right to impose capital punishment. Notice, however, that the question of whether capital punishment is necessary or not is not decided by the Commandment. That is a question which every State must decide for itself in the light of its own circumstances. (In fact today many States would say it is no longer necessary.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wilful murder is the killing of the innocent. It is so grievous a crime that it is called in the Bible a sin crying to heaven for vengeance.1&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1Three other sins are so described in the Bible. They are the sin of Sodom, Oppression of the poor, and Defrauding labourers of their wages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every man’s life belongs to God. No private individual has authority to take directly the life of the innocent. This applies equally well to the life of an unborn child. Direct abortion is murder. It is true that sometimes as a result of another operation, for example the removal of a diseased womb, the unborn child may die. In that case the death of the child is not chosen as the means to the end. But directly to kill the child is murder just as much as would be directly to kill the mother.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://traditionalcatholicteaching.com/lesson17-the-commandments-2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://traditionalcatholicteac.....nts-2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Life begins at conception the catholics the question is one of is it only the nascent human being that one “defends”? How about the lives of children that were abused by the Pope’s priests? Not according to Bill Donahue: &lt;a href=&quot;http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/defending-abusive-priests-by-tristero.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://digbysblog.blogspot.com.....stero.html&lt;/a&gt; those kids had it coming and why should we believe them over a priest, A PRIEST!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read this testimonial to Dr. Tiller earlier today: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=21986#comment-1250658&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?.....nt-1250658&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who’s life did the Pope mean?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And this contradiction from the first linked website:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Commandments 4 to 10 sum up the rules which deal with our relations with one another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Loving Our Neighbour – Is It Possible?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. We are all ready to pay lip service to this principle. We are all ready to point the finger of scorn at a man who does not seem to live up to it. But the fact is that all of us find a certain difficulty in seeing just how it is possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are certain people whom we just do not like. There are others whom we cannot help liking. And there are many others whom we don’t know at all and therefore we cannot tell whether we like them or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can I say therefore that I really can love my neighbour as myself? The answer is that we can love a person without necessarily liking him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An enemy airman who has just been dive-bombing us is shot down and is lying wounded by his parachute. We don’t even know him, we can’t pretend to like him. But we pick him up, put him on a stretcher and bandage his wounds. That is loving him. It means that in spite of everything we recognise that he is a son of God and in so far as he is a son of God we wish him well and we will do what we can to help him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, loving our neighbour means seeing him for what he is, first and foremost, a son of God. Every man is loved by God. Our Lord died for all men. We have to judge men by God’s standards and therefore wish all men well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Notice that sometimes this may mean that we have to hurt someone. We may be compelled to shoot down the enemy bomber by our love for our neighbour whom he is bombing. Again, we may be bound to punish a criminal to prevent him injuring others and indeed injuring himself by crime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How far real affection will enter in this love of our neighbour as we have described it above will depend on how far we are approaching holiness. It is possible but it is not easy. We have to pray to God to help us to see our neighbour as he is and to love him for what he is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* Jesus’ Love comes from the barrel of a gun. The media need to do their job. Offering a soapbox and microphone to Donahue, Terry, et al without a serious examination of their rhetoric and beliefs fails us all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Defend Life”, a command you’ll find along with an image of the pope (who is giving the command) on the back bumpers of many anti-abortionists cars.</p>
<p>Catholic tradition concerning the 5th commandment:</p>
<p>When Our Lord quoted this Commandment (Matt19: 18) He said: Thou shalt do no murder.</p>
<p>This gives a more exact meaning to the words: “Thou shalt not kill”.</p>
<p>What is forbidden is the unlawful taking of life. A man has a right to defend himself and to defend others against an unjust aggressor. (Where there is a proportionate cause his action is not murder but self-defence. Obviously there must be some proportion between the cause and the action. A man has a right to defend his life if necessary by shooting. But if his apple tree is being pilfered he has no right to defend that by shooting.)</p>
<p>Again in so far as it is necessary to defend society against criminals the State has a right to impose capital punishment. Notice, however, that the question of whether capital punishment is necessary or not is not decided by the Commandment. That is a question which every State must decide for itself in the light of its own circumstances. (In fact today many States would say it is no longer necessary.)</p>
<p>Wilful murder is the killing of the innocent. It is so grievous a crime that it is called in the Bible a sin crying to heaven for vengeance.1</p>
<p>1Three other sins are so described in the Bible. They are the sin of Sodom, Oppression of the poor, and Defrauding labourers of their wages.</p>
<p>Every man’s life belongs to God. No private individual has authority to take directly the life of the innocent. This applies equally well to the life of an unborn child. Direct abortion is murder. It is true that sometimes as a result of another operation, for example the removal of a diseased womb, the unborn child may die. In that case the death of the child is not chosen as the means to the end. But directly to kill the child is murder just as much as would be directly to kill the mother.<br /><a href="http://traditionalcatholicteaching.com/lesson17-the-commandments-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://traditionalcatholicteac&#8230;..nts-2.html</a></p>
<p>Life begins at conception the catholics the question is one of is it only the nascent human being that one “defends”? How about the lives of children that were abused by the Pope’s priests? Not according to Bill Donahue: <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/defending-abusive-priests-by-tristero.html" rel="nofollow">http://digbysblog.blogspot.com&#8230;..stero.html</a> those kids had it coming and why should we believe them over a priest, A PRIEST!</p>
<p>I read this testimonial to Dr. Tiller earlier today: <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=21986#comment-1250658" rel="nofollow">http://www.balloon-juice.com/?&#8230;..nt-1250658</a></p>
<p>Who’s life did the Pope mean?</p>
<p>And this contradiction from the first linked website:</p>
<p>Commandments 4 to 10 sum up the rules which deal with our relations with one another.</p>
<p>Loving Our Neighbour – Is It Possible?</p>
<p>Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. We are all ready to pay lip service to this principle. We are all ready to point the finger of scorn at a man who does not seem to live up to it. But the fact is that all of us find a certain difficulty in seeing just how it is possible.</p>
<p>There are certain people whom we just do not like. There are others whom we cannot help liking. And there are many others whom we don’t know at all and therefore we cannot tell whether we like them or not.</p>
<p>How can I say therefore that I really can love my neighbour as myself? The answer is that we can love a person without necessarily liking him.</p>
<p>An enemy airman who has just been dive-bombing us is shot down and is lying wounded by his parachute. We don’t even know him, we can’t pretend to like him. But we pick him up, put him on a stretcher and bandage his wounds. That is loving him. It means that in spite of everything we recognise that he is a son of God and in so far as he is a son of God we wish him well and we will do what we can to help him.</p>
<p>In short, loving our neighbour means seeing him for what he is, first and foremost, a son of God. Every man is loved by God. Our Lord died for all men. We have to judge men by God’s standards and therefore wish all men well.</p>
<p>Notice that sometimes this may mean that we have to hurt someone. We may be compelled to shoot down the enemy bomber by our love for our neighbour whom he is bombing. Again, we may be bound to punish a criminal to prevent him injuring others and indeed injuring himself by crime.</p>
<p>How far real affection will enter in this love of our neighbour as we have described it above will depend on how far we are approaching holiness. It is possible but it is not easy. We have to pray to God to help us to see our neighbour as he is and to love him for what he is.</p>
<p>* Jesus’ Love comes from the barrel of a gun. The media need to do their job. Offering a soapbox and microphone to Donahue, Terry, et al without a serious examination of their rhetoric and beliefs fails us all.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/all-together-now-politically-motivated-terrorism-cannot-be-politicized/#comment-1910651</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Time to start posting photographs of protestors out side of the clinics and labeling them American Taliban.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to start posting photographs of protestors out side of the clinics and labeling them American Taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/all-together-now-politically-motivated-terrorism-cannot-be-politicized/#comment-1910650</link>
		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The wingnuts have made violence a romantic passion. When they argue that they kill to protect the innocent we must point out that our constitution and laws protect us from people like them. I fear there is much more violence to come.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wingnuts have made violence a romantic passion. When they argue that they kill to protect the innocent we must point out that our constitution and laws protect us from people like them. I fear there is much more violence to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fyi - Doctor Tiller was murdered on the 6th anniversary of Eric Rudolph’s capture - just a coincidence I’m sure&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fyi &#8211; Doctor Tiller was murdered on the 6th anniversary of Eric Rudolph’s capture &#8211; just a coincidence I’m sure</p>
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		<title>By: Sufilizard2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sufilizard2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for sharing that quote. I really like that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that quote. I really like that.</p>
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		<title>By: puravida</title>
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		<dc:creator>puravida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My slighted edited comment from Tbogg’s post on MM:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People like her see this as a holy war-a war to protect and avenge the “pre-born.” There’s no middle ground, no “reasonable people can reasonably disagree,” no compromise. Michelle’s job (right wing screech-hag) depends on manufacturing outrage, hate and death.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People like Malkin, O’Reilly, Terry, Limbaugh, etc. are accessories to murder. They are just as responsible for Tiller’s killing as Scott Roeder.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The calls not to politicize this “horrible tragedy” are disingenous in the extreme.  Just like New Orleans, when the right laments the blame game, you can pretty much take it to the bank they know they bear much of the responsiblity.  The wingnut teevee shouters undoubtedly know Tiller’s blood is on their hands, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My slighted edited comment from Tbogg’s post on MM:</p>
<p>People like her see this as a holy war-a war to protect and avenge the “pre-born.” There’s no middle ground, no “reasonable people can reasonably disagree,” no compromise. Michelle’s job (right wing screech-hag) depends on manufacturing outrage, hate and death.</p>
<p>People like Malkin, O’Reilly, Terry, Limbaugh, etc. are accessories to murder. They are just as responsible for Tiller’s killing as Scott Roeder.</p>
<p>The calls not to politicize this “horrible tragedy” are disingenous in the extreme.  Just like New Orleans, when the right laments the blame game, you can pretty much take it to the bank they know they bear much of the responsiblity.  The wingnut teevee shouters undoubtedly know Tiller’s blood is on their hands, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sufilizard2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sufilizard2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And though I wouldn’t claim that nobody on the left ever crosses the line, I think you see a huge difference in how the biggest media voices of the left address issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don’t see Olberman, Stewart, Maddow or Colbert say or do anything that could be inferred as inciting violence against those whom they ridicule or criticize.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The same can’t be said of O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Malkin et al.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me that speaks volumes about the morality and decency of their views.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And though I wouldn’t claim that nobody on the left ever crosses the line, I think you see a huge difference in how the biggest media voices of the left address issues.</p>
<p>You don’t see Olberman, Stewart, Maddow or Colbert say or do anything that could be inferred as inciting violence against those whom they ridicule or criticize.</p>
<p>The same can’t be said of O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Malkin et al.</p>
<p>To me that speaks volumes about the morality and decency of their views.</p>
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