Comments on: Mourning and Organizing in the Wake of Tiller’s Murder

By: arion

arion — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:21:12 +0000

I prefer calling them the Doctor Killers; not trying to conflate them with Bin laden. And while I understand the strategy of Naral and kindred groups of sticking the the high road (emphasizing only the liberty argument) that some of us ought to be more actively rebutting the dreadful propaganda inherent in the fetus=human being/ unborn child memes. These are merely incitements to hatred without cultural, legal or even scriptural sanction. The concept of fetus sanctity never existed before Roe. I diaried on Kos about this recently, as Arion.

By: becca656

becca656 — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:36:43 +0000

Had lunch today with a Texas Republican who told me Tiller ‘had performed late term abortions all day every day’.

Asked him to back that up with statistics or any other kind of documentation. Of course, he couldn’t.

But that’s the belief out there. And this is not an otherwise stupid individual.

By: sadlyyes

sadlyyes — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:24:24 +0000

wow,never thought of that….sociopaths

By: Kassandra

Kassandra — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:47:52 +0000

Beats me. We used to have this discussion on another board I moderated; where the younger wimmin would accuse the older ones of “dropping the ball”. But it was them who took our gains for granted and “dropped the ball”.
I see a similar thing happening with the gay rights movement with those attorneys wanting to take it to the right wing Supreme court.
When Roe was decided by the SC it didn’t have the weight of law, really. I’m wondering if these “crusading attorneys” are trying to pull an end run around legislation here too.
That’s why we old war horses can’t drop out of the traces yet, even tho this one is pretty tired of it all by now.
It always seems like one step forward two back.

By: RevDeb

RevDeb — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:40:37 +0000

that’s usually the case. But we can’t label ALL christians and ALL rethugs alike. That’s all I’m saying.

By: foothillsmike

foothillsmike — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:27:24 +0000

While my late wife was in law school and for a while after she was the asst. state dir. for PP. Yes there were several rethug donors but nearly all oppos. were also rethugs.
For RevDeb

By: cbl2

cbl2 — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:23:16 +0000

In the early days a lot of women did this, in MS magazine, I think. The names were remarkable

yes Ms Magazine posted in 11/06 - but back when Reagan gagged doctors:

PEOPLE asked 109 influential American women if they support the Supreme Court’s Roe vs. Wade decision legalizing abortion. Only 28 agreed to go on record:

YES Joan Baez YES Valerie Brisco-Hooks YES Helen Gurley Brown YES Cher YES Julia Child YES Judy Collins YES Christina Crawford YES Jane Curtin YES Nora Ephron YES Millicent Fenwick YES Geraldine Ferraro YES Jane Fonda YES Woopi Goldberg YES Katharine Graham NO Sen. Paula Hawkins YES Sen. Nancy Kassebaum NO Joanne Kemp YES Judith Krantz YES Gov. Madeleine Kunin NO Clare Boothe Luce NO Marabel Morgan YES Louise Nevelson YES Susan Saint James NO Phyllis Schlafly YES Cheryl Tiegs YES Barbara Tuchman YES Alice Walker NO Faith Whittlesey

seeing Julia Child and Barbara Tuchman’s names were personally inspiring

By: RevDeb

RevDeb — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:20:20 +0000

I think you are painting way to broad a brush. I work with some very dedicated Christian clergy who are demonstrably pro-choice. And I also have repub. friends who raise lots of money for PP and other providers.

By: timr

timr — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:20:03 +0000

Remember this. It is mostly men who are the biggest talkers/actors in the antiabortion ranks. Is it religion? Or is it as I believe, men wanting to continue to have total power over women and their bodies and fearing that they are losing that power. Face it, over the last 50 years women have forced men(white male power structure) to give them a place at the table(power) white men-esp authoritarian conservative types-firmly believe that women have no rights other than what they give them and use their version of xristianity to back them up-women were owned by men then, why should things be different now. IOW, the men are in charge, so women should STFU and sit down.
I have lived in many other countries and firmly believe that in the US many men believe that women emasculate them.-lots of these same white males envy the muslims in the mideast and how they treat their women and would love to do the same thing here.
I have seen that many men in the pundocracy hate women. There are so few who don’t that they stand out.
I really hope that women continue the fight to replace men in the power structure.Women have been leaders in countries from Pakistan to Israel to India to England. In a country as large as the US we should be able to find someone whom the WM-white males-can not slander to death. I believe that what the authoritarian conservative evangelical men did to Clinton and are doing to the current nominee to the SCOTUS is a disgrace and should be fought with every weapon available.
Not only is the murder of the Dr a disgrace that can be laid at the feet of the right but their hypocritical remarks of solace and sympathy should make them burn in their hell.
I find myself ashamed of my country and the image that we present to the world, our society is indeed insane.

By: foothillsmike

foothillsmike — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:19:02 +0000

The anti-abortion issue is used as a distraction by the corporatists and banksters as they proceed with their attempt to dominate amerika.