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	<title>Comments on: Kraft Says We Can Haz A Food Safety Bill</title>
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		<title>By: MsAnnaNOLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsAnnaNOLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;9 years with USDA. I guarantee you this is a step against the organic/natural slow food movement. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;$1000 is a lot of money but look a little deeper. The database and tracking capability they are requiring would cost way way more in terms of time and money than $1000 fee. I am betting the tracking is something only a large scale operation would be able to support financially.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really we just need to go back to the old ways of doing things before things were deregulated. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CO-ops are a potential idea but you give up your independence and it is like going into business with these other people. It is not really practical if you are really the only producer in your area. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I say make the big boys pay. Let’s face it they are the ones causing the problems anyway. The big conglomerates can certainly afford it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9 years with USDA. I guarantee you this is a step against the organic/natural slow food movement. </p>
<p>$1000 is a lot of money but look a little deeper. The database and tracking capability they are requiring would cost way way more in terms of time and money than $1000 fee. I am betting the tracking is something only a large scale operation would be able to support financially.</p>
<p>Really we just need to go back to the old ways of doing things before things were deregulated. </p>
<p>CO-ops are a potential idea but you give up your independence and it is like going into business with these other people. It is not really practical if you are really the only producer in your area. </p>
<p>I say make the big boys pay. Let’s face it they are the ones causing the problems anyway. The big conglomerates can certainly afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;could small producers form coops, coop pays fees and any testing?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think of the small producers I buy from at Farmer’s market. somehow $1,000 per year seems to be a high price to me, but if it was distributed among 4 or 5 growers it would be less onerous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could small producers form coops, coop pays fees and any testing?</p>
<p>I think of the small producers I buy from at Farmer’s market. somehow $1,000 per year seems to be a high price to me, but if it was distributed among 4 or 5 growers it would be less onerous.</p>
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		<title>By: VictorLaszlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>VictorLaszlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I came in here to make the same observation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came in here to make the same observation.</p>
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		<title>By: davidaquarius</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidaquarius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There should at least be some assistance for small food producers to apply the new rules.  This will only send many small food companies into the waiting arms of corporate giants, reducing the choices we make at the store.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I look for smaller companies and Mom and Pop outfits for much of my food.  Organic and naturally produced food is my preference.  If they get swallowed up or shut down because of these new rules, I’m left with nothing but ADM, ConAgra, and other cancer causing agents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Food safety is vital but make the big boys pay and help the little guy meet the new standards.  I’m tired of seeing a thousand brands on the store shelf coming from only a handful of greedy corporate conglomerates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should at least be some assistance for small food producers to apply the new rules.  This will only send many small food companies into the waiting arms of corporate giants, reducing the choices we make at the store.</p>
<p>Personally, I look for smaller companies and Mom and Pop outfits for much of my food.  Organic and naturally produced food is my preference.  If they get swallowed up or shut down because of these new rules, I’m left with nothing but ADM, ConAgra, and other cancer causing agents.</p>
<p>Food safety is vital but make the big boys pay and help the little guy meet the new standards.  I’m tired of seeing a thousand brands on the store shelf coming from only a handful of greedy corporate conglomerates.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just on the basis of what is provided above, the legislation is pretty darn weak.  On top of that, you’ve got an FDA with a solid track record of whoring for Big Pharma over a number of years.  It doesn’t instill confidence, to be sure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just on the basis of what is provided above, the legislation is pretty darn weak.  On top of that, you’ve got an FDA with a solid track record of whoring for Big Pharma over a number of years.  It doesn’t instill confidence, to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
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		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aha.  A $1000 fee barrier to entry for organic food processors and local processors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WTF is a “safety plan”?  Another barrier to entry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As is company testing.  State health departments and the FDA should have inspectors in circuits of smaller facilities and onsite at larger ones, just as in the original meat inspection regulations.  Internal audits of inspectors should provide a check against becoming company folk.  Inspection fees should be based on performance and plant size.  There should be no idea that inspection should be self-supporting corporate risk managers and consumers have a stake in the performance of processing plants.  Individual and corporate taxes in the general fund should suffice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha.  A $1000 fee barrier to entry for organic food processors and local processors.</p>
<p>WTF is a “safety plan”?  Another barrier to entry.</p>
<p>As is company testing.  State health departments and the FDA should have inspectors in circuits of smaller facilities and onsite at larger ones, just as in the original meat inspection regulations.  Internal audits of inspectors should provide a check against becoming company folk.  Inspection fees should be based on performance and plant size.  There should be no idea that inspection should be self-supporting corporate risk managers and consumers have a stake in the performance of processing plants.  Individual and corporate taxes in the general fund should suffice.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I disagree with Jill on one point.  We DON’T want companies to do their own testing.  We want the FDA to do testing, just as the USDA’s Food Safety and Inspection Service does for meat and their Animal Plant Health Inspection Service does for other foodstuffs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just give the FDA regulatory powers and facilities identical to those of FSIS.  Problem solved!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Jill on one point.  We DON’T want companies to do their own testing.  We want the FDA to do testing, just as the USDA’s Food Safety and Inspection Service does for meat and their Animal Plant Health Inspection Service does for other foodstuffs.</p>
<p>Just give the FDA regulatory powers and facilities identical to those of FSIS.  Problem solved!</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;o/t&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;for Jane&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GM reaches deal with Bondholders&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Under the terms of the deal, G.M. would sell itself in Chapter 11 and bondholders would receive a 10 percent stake in the newly reorganized company in exchange for about $27 billion in bonds. They would also receive warrants to buy an additional 15 percent of a new G.M., exercisable if G.M.’s value rises to certain levels.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/gm-reaches-a-deal-with-bondholder-committee/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o/t</p>
<p>for Jane</p>
<p>GM reaches deal with Bondholders</p>
<blockquote><p>Under the terms of the deal, G.M. would sell itself in Chapter 11 and bondholders would receive a 10 percent stake in the newly reorganized company in exchange for about $27 billion in bonds. They would also receive warrants to buy an additional 15 percent of a new G.M., exercisable if G.M.’s value rises to certain levels.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/gm-reaches-a-deal-with-bondholder-committee/" rel="nofollow">NYT</a></p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that’s why the GMA is protesting the flat fee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you’re designing regulatory fee structures, generating sufficient income to support the program generally requires a capitation fee.  I think of it as the Willie Sutton Principle — big fees for big players, because that’s where the money is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that’s why the GMA is protesting the flat fee.</p>
<p>When you’re designing regulatory fee structures, generating sufficient income to support the program generally requires a capitation fee.  I think of it as the Willie Sutton Principle — big fees for big players, because that’s where the money is.</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marketing Agreements are put in place and ‘enforced’ (to the extent that they are enforced) by USDA, &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the FDA.  USDA has long since been captured by Big Agribidness.  I doubt the existing Marketing Agreements/Market Orders are indicative of what FDA will do.  There is a chance that the FDA can get this one right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pathogen testing/monitoring should be in the bill, because it will require FDA to include those in its proposed regulations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,</p>
<p>Marketing Agreements are put in place and ‘enforced’ (to the extent that they are enforced) by USDA, <em>not</em> the FDA.  USDA has long since been captured by Big Agribidness.  I doubt the existing Marketing Agreements/Market Orders are indicative of what FDA will do.  There is a chance that the FDA can get this one right.</p>
<p>Pathogen testing/monitoring should be in the bill, because it will require FDA to include those in its proposed regulations.</p>
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