A dust-up in academia concerning torture and the role of psychologists has failed to make a dent in the reportage of either the establishment media or the blogosphere. Nevertheless, the issue has fired up e-mail listservs over at the American Psychological Association, and among opponents of APA’s long-time pro-military interrogations policy.
It all started when the May 21 edition of the prominent scientific journal Nature carried an unsigned editorial entitled "Responsible Interrogation." The editorial makes some unequivocally strong statements against the Bush policy of "enhanced interrogation techniques."
Despite plausible-sounding talk about ‘states of induced dependency’ and the like, there is no scientific basis for asserting that techniques such as waterboarding, or slamming people against a wall, are fast or effective ways of getting at the truth (see Nature 445, 349; 2007). Indeed, it is hard to imagine any ethical way a controlled study on that question could be carried out….
And even if physical or mental torture could be shown to be effective in some immediate, tactical sense, that would be beside the point: torture is a violation of human rights and of international law, and is a threat to the long-term health of democracy. It is not to be tolerated.
But then, noting "there are no easy answers," the editorial launched into a discussion of the controversies that beset the American Psychological Association (APA) when it tried to reconcile professional ethics with the job of assisting military and intelligence interrogations. Even worse, especially for those APA activists who worked so hard to pass a referendum-inspired change in APA policy on interrogations, the Nature article returned to a line of argumentation that APA had supposedly now rejected.
From the editorial:
Another, long-standing issue for many APA members can be found in the first of the 12 principles [enumerated in APA's policy statement, Psychological Ethics and National Security (PENS)], which explicitly states that it is ethical for psychologists to be involved in interrogations. Other professional societies have taken a less permissive tack; the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association and the World Medical Association have all come out against having their members participate in interrogations.
But such restrictions fly in the face of the reality that interrogation is a necessity in preventing loss of life from terrorism, and that some professionals feel it is their duty to ensure that the activity is conducted responsibly. The risks of abuse are ever present, and having a professional present should serve as protection for detainees, provided the professional adheres to, and is held accountable to, the most fundamental medical ethic of all: ‘do no harm’.
The idea that psychologists are necessary to ensure "responsible interrogation" may be popular among APA staffers and military psychologists, but it was rejected last summer by the APA membership at large when they voted by almost 60% to change official APA policy and ban psychologists from participating in settings where human rights violations, including torture, take place.
From the referendum’s text:
Whereas the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Mental Health and the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture have determined that treatment equivalent to torture has been taking place at the United States Naval Base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
Whereas this torture took place in the context of interrogations under the direction and supervision of Behavioral Science Consultation Teams (BSCTs) that included psychologists.
Whereas the Council of Europe has determined that persons held in CIA black sites are subject to interrogation techniques that are also equivalent to torture [4], and because psychologists helped develop abusive interrogation techniques used at these sites.
Whereas the International Committee of the Red Cross determined in 2003 that the conditions in the US detention facility in Guantánamo Bay are themselves tantamount to torture [6], and therefore by their presence psychologists are playing a role in maintaining these conditions.
Be it resolved that psychologists may not work in settings where persons are held outside of, or in violation of, either International Law (e.g., the UN Convention Against Torture and the Geneva Conventions) or the US Constitution (where appropriate), unless they are working directly for the persons being detained or for an independent third party working to protect human rights.
Yet none of this appeared in the Nature editorial, which instead quoted a member of the APA’s PENS commission, Mike Gelles, to the effect that psychologists are needed to prevent abuse at interrogations. Gelles at least comes by his position honestly, having reported to higher ups on abuse occurring at Guantanamo while he was there in the capacity of chief psychologist for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. What Gelles doesn’t mention is that his whistleblowing did very little, and that abuse and torture at Guantanamo continued for years, if not to the present day.
But for the cynical APA bureaucracy, sensitive to the winds of politics change — the recent moves by President Obama to embrace "war on terror" rhetoric, to propose the indefinite detention of WOT prisoners, and to restart the military commissions prosecutions — current events are pushing them to return to their previous stance vis-a-vis psychologists and interrogations. After all, the referendum is only advisory and not enforceable, according to APA by-laws, as APA leadership is fond of quoting when they are in the mood. As an advocacy group, they are unstinting in their vigilance over access to government jobs, and with the expansion of the war in Afghanistan, there will be plenty of openings for psychologists who like to work in operational roles with Special Forces.
Moreover, the stance of the Nature editorial writer did not drop from the skies, as apparently, that individual got plenty of assistance in this task from APA brass. Writing to the APA Council of Representatives (COR) about the Nature editorial, Associate Executive Director for APA’s Public and Member Communications department, Kim Mills, told COR members (emphasis added), "APA staff worked with one of the editors to provide detailed history and background, which led to what we think is a fair and balanced piece."
It seems unlikely that APA associate executive directors deal much with irony, but it seems the political winds at APA are blowing straight out of Fox News network as much as from anywhere.
Opponents of APA’s previous interrogation policy, including many who worked hard to pass the 2008 referendum, are furious at APA for its apparent collusion in the making of the Nature editorial and are asking supporters to flood the journal with letters to the editor. More, they are asking APA to condemn the editorial and make clear their adherence to the new referendum policy. One wonders why APA has not come out against any participation at Guantanamo or Bagram prisons even now, if they really wish to restrict psychologist presence at sites where human rights are restricted.
What galls so many APA critics is to see ignorance and platitudes, not to mention cover-up of recent historical evidence on the role of psychologists and APA over the interrogations/torture scandal, paraded as anti-torture propaganda in the pages of a prestigious scientific journal. There is an abundance of evidence, most recently in a 200-plus page report by the Senate Armed Services Committee, that rather than protect prisoners, psychologists working for the CIA and the Department of Defense, and psychologists contracted for such purposes, such as former JPRA/SERE psychologists James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, were instrumental in creating the conditions for torture and abuse.
But then to have noted that may not have seemed "fair and balanced" to the denizens of America’s largest organization of professional psychologists. It certainly failed to gain the notice of the editors of the journal Nature, who, to their ignominious shame, will have to carry this embarrassment of an article in their archives for a long, long time.



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Thanks Jeff, we need the APA, ABA, AMA and other professional organizations to bring pressure to bear on their members, disallowing participation in these criminal acts. Kudos to you, for all that you do.
Too bad there’s no moral leadership from Obama.
Edit to add: W also said the U.S. doesn’t torture.
…and with the expansion of the war in Afghanistan, there will be plenty of openings for psychologists who like to work in operational roles with Special Forces.
ok – so let ‘em do it, but only after resigning or forfeiting their rights to ever practice medicine again. Let us see how many are “patriotic” enough to give up those big dollars.
and oh yeah, I don’t seem to be able to recall any exemption from war crimes prosecution for those who have initials after their names.
I can only imagine the level of frustration you must be feeling, Jeff. Thanks for documenting the shady dealings behind the scenes. Have you considered submitting a version of this post to Nature as an extended letter to the editor? It seems very important to make them acknowledge prominently that they cited a policy that has been changed by a vote of the APA membership.
“Fair and balanced”, indeed. However, I can think of a few other places where that wind might originate. Let’s just say downwind is not the place to be…
Our problem: the APA is really a great case study in the way an organization can say one thing and do another. Reading their position, as enumerated by the Nature editorial writer, you’d think there hearts were in the right place, and they were doing all anyone could ask an ethical and responsible organization to do.
But, when you look at their actions, you get an entirely different picture. The APA, for instance, has yet to bring one (I did say, ONE) psychologist up on ethics charges, or refer a case to a state board for disciplinary action in relation to the torture issue. They also falsify their history, even, surprisingly, their recent history.
I hope I got the message out that in the current case, they have disappeared a member referendum that calls for APA to tell psychologists to leave any site (I did say, ANY) where human rights are abridged, or there is a history of same. This constituted a major change in APA policy, and it was totally brought about by the membership. But now, it’s as if it didn’t exist.
When they need to, the organization’s leadership can drag out the requisite copies of letters sent to the government, full of high-sounding phrases. But when you look at what they actually do, it’s an entirely different case.
What I don’t get is why the editorial staff at Nature was so willing to go along with APA’s pro-interrogations position.
There’s some very good letters to the editor already written. I’ve seen some of them, but chose not to quote from them, as I don’t wish to preempt what the snooty editors at Nature may choose to do about publishing them. If I thought I had something extra to add, I would, but I’m quite pleased by what I’ve read from some of my very distinguished and knowledgeable colleagues.
I feel I’ve done my bit by posting here and getting the issue out of the ivory tower and obscure closed listservs and out into the public. I may yet change my mind and write my own letter. In any case, I’ll update when or if there’s any response from Nature.
It’s not just the psychologists. At least the APA brought the subject up and passed a resolution. I don’t see the ABA doing anything at all.
The APA sees the entire Terrorism and National Security enterprise as one big gravy train. See their book, Psychology in the Service of National Security (APA Press, 2006).
Meanwhile, a hat-tip to my colleague Brad Olson, who told me about the CIA’s Intelligence Science Board, headed by five individuals, one of them PENS participant, one of them Robert A. Fein, a psychologist formerly with the National Threat Assessment Center. The ISB put out an influential document a few years back, “Educing Information”, which some of you here may have heard of.
Left ‘em a message asking it the purpose of the board was to learn new methods of psychological torture.
LOL … X-cellent !
It’s really easy. Just 2 clicks, no ID required. (Though being the CIA, I’d hope they could track me down.)
Seconded.
Heh. According to KO, there’s a chemotherapy treatment that causes your fingerprints to disappear. My imagination runs wild.
So, the APA – a major association of mental health professionals – is of two minds on Torture.
Hmmmm…
It seems to me that assisting Torture is about as far as a Psychiatrist – or any Medical Professional, for that matter – can get from providing a safe harbor within which wounded people are compassionately and professionally guided towards healing as a basic human right.
These people calling themselves ‘Doctors’ and suchlike were/are actually Monsters in Lab Coats, and imvho the Guild of Healers should unceremoniously boot their asses out of the Club – or risk corrupting the doctor-patient ‘trust bridge’ of the profession.
This is – potentially – a fiasco very similar to what happened, imvho, to the Clergy-Parishoner ‘trust bridge’ in the Roman Catholic Church – “Suffer the children to come unto me” – once they failed to deal with systematic pedophilia within their own ranks.
This time, we have ‘healers’ Torturing…
On a related topic, from the Telegraph:
Abu Ghraib abuse photos ’show rape’
Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.
Perhaps the article should have been called “Responsible Torture.” In spite of Mike Gelles’ claim in 2007 to have altered interrogation methods by his presence at Guantanamo in 2002, again, there is no evidence that any significant changes occurred. Approximately 500 prisoners have now been released from Guantanamo and reports of abuse and torture run rampant, which has been documented with evidence.
The PENS report stated, “The Task Force notes that psychologists sometimes encounter conflicts between ethics and law. When such conflicts arise, psychologists make known their commitment to the APA Ethics Code and attempt to resolve the conflict in a responsible manner. If the conflict cannot be resolved in this manner, psychologists may adhere to the requirements of the law. (Ethical Standard 1.02)”
The “law” of the United States had been shredded by Bush administrative attorneys and others at the time of the PENS report with the result that all prisoners at Guantanamo and elsewhere had no habeas corpus rights, and it was “lawful” to use torture in interrogations. The PENS report was intended to twist ethics just as the Justice Department memos were intended to twist the legal framework.
You could drive a Mack truck through an ethical window like that. The truth is that the Nature editorial could have been written in a variety of ways to emphasize how problematic any participation by psychologists in interrogations is likely to be. Instead the editorial makes the reverse point which if you will flies in the face of human psychology.
If you are constructing an interrogation program and you want to use “enhanced” techniques, who are you going to bring in as a psychologist? An interrogation skeptic or someone who is going to be onboard like James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen? Even a psychologist not as gung-ho for torture as these two could still be put under a lot of pressure. Jobs and careers could be threatened. Accusations like If there is another attack, the blood of those killed and wounded is on your hands because you won’t let us do our job, etc.
The Nature editorial blows by all this as if all psychologists are the same and all will be immune to pressure. But they aren’t and it is precisely for this reason that such participation should be discouraged to the maximum possible. Even under highly limited highly conditioned participation the potential for abuse is there because there is an inherent conflict between the goals of the psychologist and that of the interrogators.
Not to mention that it feeds the stereotype of shrinks who go into the business because they are so emotionally warped themselves.
I was under the impression that the American Psychological Association was founded by Skull and Bones members and were radical proponents of Eugenics.
Today, Everything has a righteous front but down deep in their bowels they are totally corrupted as human beings.
Mengeles they are.
heckuva job,
Mr. “Christian”BushieThe entire invasion/occupation was an obscenity. Can’t say that Telegraph story even surprises me but for some reason I find it particularly depressing.
Especially Taguba’s bottom line that the photos shouldn’t be released. Yet another idol with feet of clay.
History is really great when you can read it. America is not the Utopia the Myth Makers would have you believe. You can thank the Shrub for being so literally incompetent that he and his cabal exposed generations of abuse of power and humanity.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..72,00.html
Gingrich is the guest on TDS.
Water Tiger’s upstairs…!
(((CT)))
One wonders whether the opponents of psychologist-assisted interrogations were as active in assisting the writing/publication of this friendly, unsigned editorial as were those who favored psychologist-assisted interrogations. Or whether the former even knew it was in the works.
Nature ordinarily publishes peer-reviewed work, and advance summaries of important work-in-process. This seems an odd topic for it to have come out on in favor of the Bush and now Obama’s administration’s positions. Is there no end to the politicization of science?
The idea that mid-level staff psychologists would have the necessary veto power to limit interrogations involving torture or “near torture” is absurd. They would be there to assist the interrogators, not the victim, as the most famous of the psychologist-advisers have claimed.
The claimed motivation for using torture is the fictional “ticking time bomb” scenario, where only torture [sic] will elicit the required information from the prisoner in time — assuming the prisoner knows precisely what his or her captors suspect he knows, and that there is time to retrieve it, extract it from the dross, process and use it to “stop the bomb”. So far as I know, there have no examples of that hypothetical in practice.
The Nature “editorial” does not appear to be what it claims. Rather, it appears to be a “name cite” that those who want to torture and make money at it will point to to protect their franchise.
A more nuanced critique would be that the UK editors of Nature are not well-informed. It’s not obvious to me, for example, why the chief psychologist for NCIS should have the last word on the subject. His job, for starters, is to assist NCIS in its interrogations of prisoners, not to evaluate the ethics of doing so from the perspective of his entire profession, much less with the health of the prisoner in mind.
And I repeat my concern that staff psychologists bureaucratically would rarely, if ever, have the pull or street cred within an armed federal agency to stop field agents or their superiors from “harsh interrogations” they deemed necessary. If the law cannot or refuses to stop them, the docs certainly won’t.
There are thousand of psychologists in APA, and even more licensed throughout the country. Many are simply good clinicians or researchers, not involved in torture or anything like it. The Military Psychology division of APA is one of their smallest. But the influence of the military and CIA psychologists is huge in relation to their numbers. Of course, they have the government behind them, and access to the big research $$$. Additionally, one should note that, as Jonathan Moreno at Univ. of Virginia pointed out in his book, Undue Risk: Secret Experimentation on Humans, in the 1950s and 1960s, a huge amount of money went to researchers working on projects for the military and the CIA, not least around things like sensory deprivation, or mind control research. The legacy of that project lingers on organized psychology the way the influence of the Black Death must have lingered on in Europe in the decades after its appearance had waned.
Wow, the APA bureaucrats really wants to hand a gift tied with pink ribbons around it to quack religions like Scientology, doesn’t it? The quacks just have to spread this around and the field of psychology could be damaged for decades. Sad, but unless there’s a mass exodus I don’t see how to minimize the damage.
Medical professionals have special responsibilities and, thus, special culpability under post-Nuremburg international law, regardless of what the APA says or does not say. These guys have put their heads in the noose, even if nobody in authority wants to spring the trap just now. Remember, Mengele was never caught, but he lived and died in fear.
Thanks for adding to the discussion here, Trudy. Many of you may not know, but Dr. Bond is a licensed psychologist who has been working tirelessly to hold some of the torturing psychologists accountable for what they have done, through ethics charges at APA, by challenging licenses, and other legal avenues.
Some of her amazing, and I know often frustrating work, she described at this interesting article at Counterpunch:
And it goes on and on, but I think readers can get the picture.
I assume you are talking about how Mitchell could bully his agenda past FBI and supposedly even some CIA protests, i.e., the interrogators on scene. The answer it they were sponsored from above, and the chain of command was at work. Even the story of how Soufan left is not totally clear (as to when, who said it, etc.). One JPRA source of mine told me that Mitchell and these types are good at bullying, and that’s just what happened. But I tend to believe, and the many cables back to CIA must make clear, that they were sponsored from above.
Another complaint about Soufan, and those who questioned him in the Senate recently, is why this aspect of the affair wasn’t more closely questioned.
Since when (another way to put it) does a contracting CIA interrogator pull rank on FBI/CIA officers on scene. I believe FBI does tend to stand down when CIA pulls national security on them, but what about the other CIA officers (assuming people like Scott Shumate are telling us anything like the real story)?
Thanks, Jeff, for a great reply! Imvho, you’re doing Great Work!
I hope your efforts, Dr. Bond’s efforts, and – I’m sure – the vast majority of APA Members’ efforts, will lead to a Top to Bottom House Cleaning, and Re-Dedication to the Principles of Healing – over Inhumanly Weaponizing the Profession to be a tool in the service of a Depraved Ideology.
The Mental Health Profession has the opportunity, imvho, to wash-off the Bush-Slime and get its professional house in order by clearly re-stating their value proposition to their clients, and each other, as part of inviting America to willingly come to them for help with life’s difficulties.
If successful, imvho, it would be a Model example for Re-making the Health Professions, in general.
Thanks for fighting the Good Fight!