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	<title>Comments on: Will Hillary Clinton&#8217;s &#8220;Partner Plan&#8221; Run Afoul of DOMA?</title>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906610</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 21:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry. Us Canajuns don’t get US politics, particularly LGBT US politics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that she wouldn’t have been allowed to issue this announcement without some people at the WH playing chess with it first. They will see if she can make it stick. If so, they will inch forward. If not, they haven’t lost anything (they think). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More calculating, less change making. Too bad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. Us Canajuns don’t get US politics, particularly LGBT US politics.</p>
<p>I think that she wouldn’t have been allowed to issue this announcement without some people at the WH playing chess with it first. They will see if she can make it stick. If so, they will inch forward. If not, they haven’t lost anything (they think). </p>
<p>More calculating, less change making. Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906599</link>
		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Beautiful, thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906568</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fierce my ass.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fierce my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906567</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DOMA won’t end by having the Secretary of State issue regulations that violate it.  DOMA will end when Congress repeals it.  The idea that by some magic act of Hillary Clinton’s civil disobedience DOMA will wither up and die is wishful thinking in the extreme; the law has many defenders all over America who will fight tool and nail any attempt at a workaround.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to come at DOMA straight ahead, not with too-clever-by-half attempts at violating it.  Besides, haven’t we had enough of Executive Branch officers claiming “inherent authority” from the Bushies?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOMA won’t end by having the Secretary of State issue regulations that violate it.  DOMA will end when Congress repeals it.  The idea that by some magic act of Hillary Clinton’s civil disobedience DOMA will wither up and die is wishful thinking in the extreme; the law has many defenders all over America who will fight tool and nail any attempt at a workaround.</p>
<p>We need to come at DOMA straight ahead, not with too-clever-by-half attempts at violating it.  Besides, haven’t we had enough of Executive Branch officers claiming “inherent authority” from the Bushies?</p>
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		<title>By: Cellar47</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906555</link>
		<dc:creator>Cellar47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What “progay stance”? She’s no different from anyone else in the Beltway. As &lt;em&gt;Outrage&lt;/em&gt; demonstrates (to the jaw-dropping surprise of breeders everywhere) Washington D.C. is &lt;em&gt;The Gayest Place on Earth&lt;/em&gt;. That’s why during Bush I when Mike Signorile outed Pete Williams — under-secretary to Darth Cheney — it was in order to make the point that gay state department employees already had job protections that weren’t available to the cannon fodder they were shipping off to Gulf War I.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A never-acknowledged “Stop Loss” was in effect back then, with the Pentagon knowingly shipping out gay and lesbian personnel overseas then firing their asses the moment they got back home.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rob Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman made a teriffic documentary about the U.S. during Gulf I entitled &lt;em&gt;Where Are We?&lt;/em&gt; that deals with this situation, among others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This “Partner Plan” is simply a continuation of already long-extant policy, and will have no effect on Obama’s unspeakably mendacious attitude toward the GLBT community that elected him thanks to his promises of “fierce” support for our causes. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like I keep telling you people — &lt;strong&gt;he’s Bush Lite !&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What “progay stance”? She’s no different from anyone else in the Beltway. As <em>Outrage</em> demonstrates (to the jaw-dropping surprise of breeders everywhere) Washington D.C. is <em>The Gayest Place on Earth</em>. That’s why during Bush I when Mike Signorile outed Pete Williams — under-secretary to Darth Cheney — it was in order to make the point that gay state department employees already had job protections that weren’t available to the cannon fodder they were shipping off to Gulf War I.</p>
<p>A never-acknowledged “Stop Loss” was in effect back then, with the Pentagon knowingly shipping out gay and lesbian personnel overseas then firing their asses the moment they got back home.</p>
<p>Rob Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman made a teriffic documentary about the U.S. during Gulf I entitled <em>Where Are We?</em> that deals with this situation, among others. </p>
<p>This “Partner Plan” is simply a continuation of already long-extant policy, and will have no effect on Obama’s unspeakably mendacious attitude toward the GLBT community that elected him thanks to his promises of “fierce” support for our causes. </p>
<p>Like I keep telling you people — <strong>he’s Bush Lite !</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906514</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My hunch is that this is a test drive for the end of DOMA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Foggy Bottom is not the White House, and Clinton’s progay stance is no surprise. So if she can accomplish it, then DOMA may go. If she can’t, she can say she tried, and Obama doesn’t get slammed one way or another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a trial balloon &lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;a worthwhile attempt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hunch is that this is a test drive for the end of DOMA.</p>
<p>Foggy Bottom is not the White House, and Clinton’s progay stance is no surprise. So if she can accomplish it, then DOMA may go. If she can’t, she can say she tried, and Obama doesn’t get slammed one way or another.</p>
<p>It’s a trial balloon <strong>and </strong>a worthwhile attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906510</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have a good one. It’s too nice to stay inside. No tornado warnings today (yes southeast CT had one).&lt;br /&gt;
Yep saw the speed writer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a good one. It’s too nice to stay inside. No tornado warnings today (yes southeast CT had one).<br />
Yep saw the speed writer.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK. I’m finished &amp; am off. Have a great day.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I’m finished &amp; am off. Have a great day.</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906507</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:The_Audio_Books_Project&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gutenbergs audio texts&lt;/a&gt; on an mp3 player could probably be rigged x150.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:The_Audio_Books_Project" rel="nofollow">gutenbergs audio texts</a> on an mp3 player could probably be rigged x150.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/will-hillary-clintons-partner-plan-run-afoul-of-doma/#comment-1906506</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Donovan - Phil Ochs’ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXsdbF-7jc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Universal Soldier&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donovan &#8211; Phil Ochs’ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXsdbF-7jc" rel="nofollow">Universal Soldier</a></p>
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