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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/north-korea-regains-our-attention-nuke-test-ii/#comment-1906724</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;US to any other rogue nation, pot-to-kettle.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reading about Gen. Stan MacChrystal’s “colorful” torture/assassin history that clearly will be off bounds judicially.  Bonded with Rummy and Cheney and now Obama. A military rising star, based on covert sanctioned by administration terrorism.  “Propaganda of the dead” …  that is what it is called from his ops, shock and awe industrial strength.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How troubling.  Obama is embracing the gamesmanship of war. “mushroom” civilians to die.  Mushroom lower class in America economically destroyed and the exceptional elitist gamesmen protect each other. Obama embracing the game not principles and morality and the bottom line you would think of the law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So on Air America the same contempt used for the Bush Republicans is now leaking out at the “hard left” from some Obama-kool-aid progressives.  It is knee jerk and creepy. Not all the radio jocks, but some of the “embedded with the Dem elite” ones. Questioning Dem establishment authority is traitorous (David Bender noises).  I found it saddening to the say the least.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Denial and minimization, on and on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US to any other rogue nation, pot-to-kettle.  </p>
<p>Reading about Gen. Stan MacChrystal’s “colorful” torture/assassin history that clearly will be off bounds judicially.  Bonded with Rummy and Cheney and now Obama. A military rising star, based on covert sanctioned by administration terrorism.  “Propaganda of the dead” …  that is what it is called from his ops, shock and awe industrial strength.   </p>
<p>How troubling.  Obama is embracing the gamesmanship of war. “mushroom” civilians to die.  Mushroom lower class in America economically destroyed and the exceptional elitist gamesmen protect each other. Obama embracing the game not principles and morality and the bottom line you would think of the law.</p>
<p>So on Air America the same contempt used for the Bush Republicans is now leaking out at the “hard left” from some Obama-kool-aid progressives.  It is knee jerk and creepy. Not all the radio jocks, but some of the “embedded with the Dem elite” ones. Questioning Dem establishment authority is traitorous (David Bender noises).  I found it saddening to the say the least.  </p>
<p>Denial and minimization, on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/north-korea-regains-our-attention-nuke-test-ii/#comment-1906654</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;sssshhhhhh!!!!! I got me a rep to protect..&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ummmmm. that leather jacket isn’t supposed to be ‘zipped’ up to your chin unless it’s -20 and unfold your ‘cuffs. and that bandanna is on the wrong leg. there, that’s it. you got it. go get ‘em, you rebel you./s&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and i have hopes it will work out, ireland did, kinda, in a way. well the body count is lower anyway.heard about that growing up, too..i didn’t think the peace would last. didn’t believe the parties could rein in their people..there was too much rivalry going on in sein fein (sinn féin) and ira.similar to hamas/abbas structure right now, so, there is hope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they saw the only way of survival to have a place at the table was through the political process,or be wiped out. so, that’s what they did. on the surface.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i do’nt see much of a difference between hammas’ denial of israel’s existence in their homeland and ira’s denial of britain’s existence in their homeland. same thing–get a place at the table, get what you need to survive, your own boundaries defined, then do what you want in your own ‘home’…leave the posturing for later.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and i know this is a bit generalized, tried to edit it down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>sssshhhhhh!!!!! I got me a rep to protect..</em></p>
<p>ummmmm. that leather jacket isn’t supposed to be ‘zipped’ up to your chin unless it’s -20 and unfold your ‘cuffs. and that bandanna is on the wrong leg. there, that’s it. you got it. go get ‘em, you rebel you./s</p>
<p>and i have hopes it will work out, ireland did, kinda, in a way. well the body count is lower anyway.heard about that growing up, too..i didn’t think the peace would last. didn’t believe the parties could rein in their people..there was too much rivalry going on in sein fein (sinn féin) and ira.similar to hamas/abbas structure right now, so, there is hope.</p>
<p>they saw the only way of survival to have a place at the table was through the political process,or be wiped out. so, that’s what they did. on the surface.</p>
<p>i do’nt see much of a difference between hammas’ denial of israel’s existence in their homeland and ira’s denial of britain’s existence in their homeland. same thing–get a place at the table, get what you need to survive, your own boundaries defined, then do what you want in your own ‘home’…leave the posturing for later.</p>
<p>and i know this is a bit generalized, tried to edit it down.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/25/north-korea-regains-our-attention-nuke-test-ii/#comment-1906600</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sssshhhhhh!!!!!    I got me a rep to protect..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks. I read the comment and hope like hell that this country can find a way to help the endlessly saddening situation turn out somehow better than your dad thought.&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks also for mentioning the book. I hope to read and learn.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sssshhhhhh!!!!!    I got me a rep to protect..</p>
<p>Thanks. I read the comment and hope like hell that this country can find a way to help the endlessly saddening situation turn out somehow better than your dad thought.<br />
Thanks also for mentioning the book. I hope to read and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yep..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh, maca, i can’t believe you said that..we &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; you’re so ‘pro’ those you-know-who-people…../s&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;rofl. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;left you a comment about the peres book.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep..</p>
<p>oh, maca, i can’t believe you said that..we <em>know</em> you’re so ‘pro’ those you-know-who-people…../s</p>
<p>rofl. </p>
<p>left you a comment about the peres book.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 19:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like the analogy, partially it’s good, but it’s not differences in our actions that really make for a double standard. In each case, our standard in similar, we don’t want NK or Iran to have nuclear weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
Differences in our actions, might be attributable to differences in our ability to achieve results, our leverage over each, and the severity of the threat to our interests that either  nation presents.&lt;br /&gt;
(And a little bit to the you-know-who lobby.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the analogy, partially it’s good, but it’s not differences in our actions that really make for a double standard. In each case, our standard in similar, we don’t want NK or Iran to have nuclear weapons.<br />
Differences in our actions, might be attributable to differences in our ability to achieve results, our leverage over each, and the severity of the threat to our interests that either  nation presents.<br />
(And a little bit to the you-know-who lobby.)</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 19:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;north korea–&lt;br /&gt;
you’re doing drugs again we really wish you would stop.what can we do for you to help you to stop?a new car? what color?&lt;br /&gt;
and they’re at the testing-the-missle stage of a nuclear weapon..using heroin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;iran–you’re doing drugs again? no? well, that’s not what we heard. you’re grounded, give me the car keys, no telephone, no computer and don’t let me catch you talking to anyone about it.&lt;br /&gt;
talked to like they have gone past their ’someday-we’re-gonna, you watch’ stage.&lt;br /&gt;
they’re at the ’someday we can do this’ using it for energy someday stage. the kid that talked about it but didn’t do it yet. so now he will..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;north korea did it.twice. iran hasn’t. and can’t yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yet the focus of the media and congress is on iran 24/7…maybe it’s the ‘new black’ to put more energy into a perceived threat than a real one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;fact is, we don’t give a st what north korea does.only when it affects a treaty. but even then our gov’t hasn’t done much yet because they havent’ hit anything, yet. until then, it’s the other overlords’ problem (china and russia). and yet we want their help with iran, funny how that &lt;strike&gt;works&lt;/strike&gt; doesn’t work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>north korea–<br />
you’re doing drugs again we really wish you would stop.what can we do for you to help you to stop?a new car? what color?<br />
and they’re at the testing-the-missle stage of a nuclear weapon..using heroin.</p>
<p>iran–you’re doing drugs again? no? well, that’s not what we heard. you’re grounded, give me the car keys, no telephone, no computer and don’t let me catch you talking to anyone about it.<br />
talked to like they have gone past their ’someday-we’re-gonna, you watch’ stage.<br />
they’re at the ’someday we can do this’ using it for energy someday stage. the kid that talked about it but didn’t do it yet. so now he will..</p>
<p>north korea did it.twice. iran hasn’t. and can’t yet.</p>
<p>yet the focus of the media and congress is on iran 24/7…maybe it’s the ‘new black’ to put more energy into a perceived threat than a real one.</p>
<p>fact is, we don’t give a st what north korea does.only when it affects a treaty. but even then our gov’t hasn’t done much yet because they havent’ hit anything, yet. until then, it’s the other overlords’ problem (china and russia). and yet we want their help with iran, funny how that <strike>works</strike> doesn’t work.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks, nice, kinda what i would have gotten from the parade and ceremony…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Yu5Uen2Yc&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=F0E3E667E74B89CD&amp;index=93&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....8;index=93&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sharon burch&lt;br /&gt;
first cry-from ‘touch the earth’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, nice, kinda what i would have gotten from the parade and ceremony…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Yu5Uen2Yc&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=F0E3E667E74B89CD&amp;index=93" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v&#8230;..8;index=93</a></p>
<p>sharon burch<br />
first cry-from ‘touch the earth’</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please explain the double standard. It’s not clear to me that our efforts to curtail the two nuclear weapons programs are without similarities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain the double standard. It’s not clear to me that our efforts to curtail the two nuclear weapons programs are without similarities.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;North Korea is unstable and unreliable.  The natural reaction is to cut off contact or punish, but these strategies really don’t work.  Even by our lowered standards NK is still a despicable regime, but it still more productive to keep channels open and work with regional partners, including and especially China on this.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christopher Hill was a diplomat who was particularly good at dealing with the North Koreans.  He is or will be our new ambassador to Iraq.  I am not sure we have someone of his caliber and talents to direct our efforts with regard to North Korea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;North Korea has for some years now been glaring evidence of the double standard we apply to Iran and its nuclear program.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Korea is unstable and unreliable.  The natural reaction is to cut off contact or punish, but these strategies really don’t work.  Even by our lowered standards NK is still a despicable regime, but it still more productive to keep channels open and work with regional partners, including and especially China on this.  </p>
<p>Christopher Hill was a diplomat who was particularly good at dealing with the North Koreans.  He is or will be our new ambassador to Iraq.  I am not sure we have someone of his caliber and talents to direct our efforts with regard to North Korea.</p>
<p>North Korea has for some years now been glaring evidence of the double standard we apply to Iran and its nuclear program.</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ooh did you see a S. Korean movie about a murder on the DMZ. I started to watch the movie, loved the dialogue and then got filled with too much dread and foreboding because I really liked all the characters and didn’t want them to die.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh did you see a S. Korean movie about a murder on the DMZ. I started to watch the movie, loved the dialogue and then got filled with too much dread and foreboding because I really liked all the characters and didn’t want them to die.</p>
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