Comments on: Israel Defiant – Words or Deeds Mr. President?

By: dmac

dmac — Mon, 25 May 2009 20:15:13 +0000

good, it’s been a long time, i want to read it again…i don’t pass books onto my dad unless they have something specific thati want him to read/feedback.he already has his own interests and reading list..lotta diplomatic fluff talk in it, but there were some things in there where i said, whoa. made me listen to his pressers, listening for the same kind of hints.

what i gathered is, not existing water but future water. treaties. at the time i thought, o h good, palestine will have a stake in the resources, in the success of the area…then when they started building the walls,guess where they started building them? it wasn’t to keep guerrillas out, it was to keep a non-cooperative palestine out of the way.

dad has always told me, because they are without resources, palestine will lose.

this map, when printed, was already ‘old’, a far-reaching plan..’an idea’, a task-force kindof thing. but it was too ‘finished’ to be just that.
when i read it, i think in ‘98, the implementation dates seemed far off, but that was ten years ago..seems like someone there, in palestine, would have known about it. now i would have to see the map to see if they are on the strategic acreage anymore..if not, they’re screwed, with no voice at the table, cuz everyone will want the pipeline to succeed. it stretched for thousands of miles and down..lot of countries involved.peres was involved in it. the map wasn’t put in there for a textual reference, he downplayed the whole thing in the book, then why was it in there? wasn’t a mundane map, not if you know anything about treaties and history.

dad said back then that they would never build a pipeline under palestinian-controlled land, no matter what the map said. that they would just wait. i said what do you mean? he just looked at me..i said, ohhh.

because they are without resources, palestine will lose.

By: macaquerman

macaquerman — Mon, 25 May 2009 16:27:18 +0000

I’m going to try to give it a look as it sounds interesting. I just ordered a copy of the book’s 1995 edition.

By: dmac

dmac — Mon, 25 May 2009 15:58:49 +0000

yep, but what i am talking about is a map that i was shocked was in peres’ book..it was a map of existing and NEW pipelines, and it went through palestine.

i gave my copy to my dad, but i remember it because i pointed it out to him and we talked about it.

rarely do you see an addendum like that in a book that isn’t discussed in that book. only as a ‘diplomatic history’ reference..was strange…i still think he was dropping a breadcrumb..a big one.

i’m curious if that map is in the newer editions of the book.

By: JerryArrigoni

JerryArrigoni — Mon, 25 May 2009 14:50:48 +0000

The Palestinians arrived from the north at about the same time Abraham arrived from the East. Neither were truly Arabs. The Palestinians were from the area around Crete I believe, and Abraham was from the city of Ur, which would have made him possibly of a Persian type ethnicity. The Arabs were indigenous to the region I believe.

By: macaquerman

macaquerman — Mon, 25 May 2009 14:36:00 +0000

Water has always been the limiting factor. In the deal that Barak offered, where he said that the Palestinians would get something like 97% of the West Bank, and some other “make-up” land, the Israelis were grabbing most of the water.
I don’t know that it need be always.

By: dmac

dmac — Mon, 25 May 2009 12:13:22 +0000

i started to ‘go there’-water–earlier but couldn’t find the map i wanted—in peres’ biography, battle for peace: a memoir, there is a map of water lines, existing and proposed, with other countries in that entire region..palestine is right on top of where they have to go. it’s always been about water/resources.

By: Knut

Knut — Mon, 25 May 2009 10:03:49 +0000

I don’t think it’s a good idea to fuck with Obama, and I wouldn’t want to be the Netanyahu who tried it.

By: bluebutterfly

bluebutterfly — Mon, 25 May 2009 06:25:48 +0000

” The Ministerial Committee on Legislation has approved a proposed a bill banning the commemoration of Independence Day as a day of mourning.

The bill was originally proposed by MK Alex Miller (Israel Our Home). It addresses the increasingly widespread practice, by Arab citizens of Israel, of marking Israel’s Independence Day as a day of mourning, or Naqba Day.

The proposal would forbid public events or activities marking the very creation of the State of Israel as a “catastrophe” (naqba, in Arabic). The maximum punishment for violators would be three years in prison. “

http://www.israelnationalnews......spx/131533

By: wigwam

wigwam — Mon, 25 May 2009 05:06:47 +0000

The new administration is talking tough to Bibi and the Israeli government but will it follow through with actions?

Is a pig’s ass beef?

By: pete

pete — Mon, 25 May 2009 04:59:25 +0000

Mr. Netanyahu should just annex the West Bank and when the rest of the world complains he can say the Israelies need lebensraum.